Matrix Box Ofice down 45% from Reloaded

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-10 10:49pm

CDiehl wrote:This is insane. It made $50,000,000 in three days, and we are expected to feel like it's a failure? It probably made more in half a week than any ten of us will make in our lifetimes. Unless you had a bet going that it would make more, or own stock in Time Warner, why do you even care, let alone have an opinion about this?

Congratulations, you're an idiot.

Revolutions undoubtedly cost a hundred million dollars, and probably more than that. Profits are important, not simple revenue. Hell, with your logic I could say the US Government is the most profitable organization ever!

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-11-10 10:54pm

well so far its shattered records, taking in well over $ 200 million worldwide in just 5 days, the fastest film to do so.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-10 10:59pm

Bullshit. Revolutions has brought in 84 million dollars so far, 52 million in the US.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-11-10 10:59pm

zombie84 wrote:well so far its shattered records, taking in well over $ 200 million worldwide in just 5 days, the fastest film to do so.

Now you're just exaggerating. It's breaking a record, not shattering. Two Towers had about 200 million worldwide, Revolutions has just over 200 million with 204.1 million. 4.1 million is not "well over" 200 million, nor does an increase less than three percent equate to "shattering" anything.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-11-10 11:10pm

well its still the biggest worldwide opening of all time, regardless. What are the plans for ROTK in December? Is it the usual domestic release only or is it a global release?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-11-10 11:11pm

LoTR has always been global, IIRC.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-11-10 11:16pm

zombie84 wrote:well its still the biggest worldwide opening of all time, regardless.

A record it will hold for precisely fourty two days. Yeah, big accomplishment there.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-11-10 11:17pm

The true test will be this coming week. The Hulk lost 70% of its initial audience because of the horrid word of mouth from the people who suffered through the first week. It will be very interesting to note the drop off. We've already seen a 45% drop off from the previous movie.

In the end it's the final numbers not the first week, and Matrix Revolutions will nevre make more than they did in their opening week. I would say this movie is in danger of only breaking even.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-11-10 11:20pm

I think it'll do enough worldwide, Stravo.

Not to mention Reloaded has already made enough money for the franchise to be quite profitable.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-11-10 11:21pm

nah. long term fanboy commitment will keep it afloat for the duration of the month. I know that a lot of people are planning on seeing at a later date because of its awkward release date. I estimate it'll probably close with around $140-160 million domestically. So long as the advertisments keep awareness up--i've noticed an unusual lack of ads in the last few days and the film wasnt hyped up that much to begin with (as opposed to Reloaded which was over-hyped).

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-10 11:55pm

Your numbers were off by a factor of over two; I'm waiting for evidence that this "breaking records" is occuring at all.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-11-11 12:11am

its being reported by official sources. you can just check the papers.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-11-11 12:15am

Howedar wrote:Your numbers were off by a factor of over two; I'm waiting for evidence that this "breaking records" is occuring at all.

Your records seem to show the weekend box office reports. Zombie is referring to the five day reports.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-11 12:56am

Nope. They are current till today.

The first source wrote: The Matrix Revolutions took in $48.4M over the Friday-to-Sunday period, and $83.8M since opening day

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-11-11 12:59am

A movie which opened approximately simultaneously around the world is making lots of money around the world?! You're kidding!

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-11-11 01:06am

Howedar wrote:Nope. They are current till today.
The first source wrote: The Matrix Revolutions took in $48.4M over the Friday-to-Sunday period, and $83.8M since opening day

I would point you towards the opening post of this thread.

Distributor Warner Bros. preferred to focus on the worldwide results for "Revolutions." Warner opened the movie simultaneously in a record 109 countries, where it racked up a worldwide total of $204.1 million in five days,

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-11-11 01:10am

zombie84 wrote:no action?? If anything there was too much!! How about an hour-long CGI fight involving dozens of mechs and hundreds of thousands of Sentinels for starters!

An ill-conceived, badly directed, and edited fight scene at that.

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2003-11-11 05:07am

Darth Wong wrote:I can't believe anyone would even think of comparing the Matrix films to the LOTR films. They're just not in the same league, regardless of what the box office says.

Are you kidding? The Wachowskis had the brilliance to create a post-modern mythology that holds deep meaningful resonance for anyone with a brain because of its powerfully insightful and thought-provoking melange of cultural elements taken from all eras of our human history from the earliest philosphers to the latest great thinkers. The Matrix is the sum total of the highest aspirations and wonderments of our race, redefining what the very word "human" means while at the same time providing an epic psychocultural place for the audience to create and add its own meanings through careful pondering of the Wachowskis' seminal philosophy text.

All Tolkien did was file the serial numbers off of old musty old stories that were rightly consigned to the trash heap of history a thousand years ago.

(Yes, I'm joking. Any comments/suggestions on refining this speech before I try it while in line for Return of the King?

I actually got one friend who's a serious Tolkien fan to hop up and down at this.

)

-- Joe Momma

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-11-11 05:13am

Careful you don't get your ass kicked. That little Matrix speech even made me want to hit you. hehe

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-11 05:41am

zombie84 wrote:no action?? If anything there was too much!! How about an hour-long CGI fight involving dozens of mechs and hundreds of thousands of Sentinels for starters!

There is a difference between quality and quantity. The Matrix sequels have a lot of action but lags behind in quality compared to the first film.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-11 05:52am

zombie84 wrote:well its still the biggest worldwide opening of all time, regardless. What are the plans for ROTK in December? Is it the usual domestic release only or is it a global release?

Needless to say financial factors do not determine the quality of a film. Tolkiens stories has been around far longer than the Matrix and is loved by more people.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-11-11 06:31am

According to all the papers over here Rev broke a load of records:

Metro wrote:The MAtrix Revlutions, which opened simultaneously on 18,000 screens in 94 countries, took more than £122million in it's first week.
It easily past the previous record of £112million set last year by The Lord of The RINgs: The Two Towers.

Is the "revenue down" thing just in the US?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-11-11 08:59am

Good that I have read here first, so I won't buy "Reloaded" and won't watch "Revolutions".

Can we say that the 3rd part killed the Matrix franchise like the last Batman movie did to the Batman-movie franchise? I think, the Matrix frnachise had taken serious damage with "Revolutions".

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-11-11 10:10am

Darth Wong wrote:I can't believe anyone would even think of comparing the Matrix films to the LOTR films. They're just not in the same league, regardless of what the box office says.

I dunno, they both feature cardboard characters and pointless battle scenes. They both features a decent first part and a crappy second part (we'll know how their third parts compare in a couple of months.) The acting's a bit better in LOTR, though, but The Matrix only requires you to sit through about two hours per movie.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2003-11-11 03:41pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I can't believe anyone would even think of comparing the Matrix films to the LOTR films. They're just not in the same league, regardless of what the box office says.
I dunno, they both feature cardboard characters and pointless battle scenes. They both features a decent first part and a crappy second part (we'll know how their third parts compare in a couple of months.) The acting's a bit better in LOTR, though, but The Matrix only requires you to sit through about two hours per movie.

I think the critical difference is that, for all the character assasination Peter Jackson has invested in, the LOTR series is something you can invest in and get payoff for. The themes and ideas that run through the movies recieve continual attention and payoff. On the converse you have Revolutions vice Reloaded where virtually NONE fo the speaking points seemed to get resolved in anything resembling a satisfactory way. Even beyond this the visuals of the matrix (stunning as they might be) seemed like a CGI rehash of some of the best movie sequences of all time (think Alien when they look for the Logos or RotJ when the ship flies through the tunnel). Again conversely the LOTR visuals draw you into Middle-Earth in a way that I would never have thought possible. For all that poeple can rightly criticize Jackson's story approach (though he's getting the gist close to correct) he brings them into the world and makes them believe in it, the W brothers never do this. I just keep finding myself unable to beleive in the world of The Matrix wheras I find myself almost living in Middle-Earth. They are small differences but they are inmportant to telling a good story.