New "old" Starfleet Phase Pistols: Love 'em or hat

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-03 10:44pm

Personally, I find the Enterprise technology to be one of its worst crimes against continuity -- after all, in The Cage -- which is supposed to be 90 years or so after NX-01, Starfleet was still using high-power lasers -- in fact, they weren't even called Starfleet until somewhere around the middle of TOS's run! Communicators were huge, compared to Enterprise communicators. So were Tricorders -- gigantic things that looked vaguely like womens' purses with little TV screens sewn on.

But that's my opinion. What's yours?

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2002-10-03 11:12pm

So they should use crappy 60's effects for their series? Gimme a break.

And again, multiple timeline theory explains away any inconsistencies. Stop trying to fit it into "trek history" because you will only frustrate yourself.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-03 11:13pm

No, but they shuold stick to continuity. Continuity is apparently seen by these guys as a straightjacket -- it's not. It's just another of the challenges the current crop (crap?) of Trek writers are too lazy to face head-on.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-03 11:16pm

On the multiple-timeline note, though, there is a way they could fix all their fuckups -- remember the episode where the bad guy saved NX-01? Well, that's it. NX-01 was supposed to be destroyed, thus making way for the bigger, better Daedalus-class, which has less surface detail because the surface is more heavily armored, the same reason why the nacelles don't glow. Simple. They could fuck up all they want and in the end just write it up so the whole series never happened. Lazy, but effective.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-03 11:39pm

Admiral_K wrote:So they should use crappy 60's effects for their series? Gimme a break.

And again, multiple timeline theory explains away any inconsistencies. Stop trying to fit it into "trek history" because you will only frustrate yourself.

You sir, are so full of shit, I can smell you from here. You're just one step away from saying it's not Star Trek at all.

Face it, B+B hate TOS. They are trying to eliminate it from ever have happened by rewriting Trek history.

And he's not saying they should be using the same effects from TOS, but the same type of weapons from "The Cage".

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-10-03 11:40pm

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:No, but they shuold stick to continuity. Continuity is apparently seen by these guys as a straightjacket -- it's not. It's just another of the challenges the current crop (crap?) of Trek writers are too lazy to face head-on.

I do agree with that. I think they can stay away from the 60's goofiness and still stick to continuity. Star Wars pulled off the trick with the new movies. In Episode IV, the only computer screen graphics I remember seeing was the Death Star when R2 was plugged into another computer. While the prequils were obviously far-more computer graphics driven, the stuff available on-screen looked no more advanced than what we saw in the original trilogy.

There are some things that lock TOS forever in the 60's, like tapes instead of disks, CD's, crystals, or whichever storage device we'd have in the 22'd Century. The large clacking push-buttons and cheesey noises on the bridge would also be hard to justify in the new series. Still, I miss the miniskirts, the attitudes and other such things that scream 1960's.

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2002-10-03 11:42pm

No, but they shuold stick to continuity. Continuity is apparently seen by these guys as a straightjacket -- it's not. It's just another of the challenges the current crop (crap?) of Trek writers are too lazy to face head-on.

I couldn't agree more. But lets not forget the uniforms, and no they should not be bell bottoms- or mini skirts, either.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-10-04 12:43am

Spartan wrote:
No, but they shuold stick to continuity. Continuity is apparently seen by these guys as a straightjacket -- it's not. It's just another of the challenges the current crop (crap?) of Trek writers are too lazy to face head-on.
I couldn't agree more. But lets not forget the uniforms, and no they should not be bell bottoms- or mini skirts, either.

What could possibly be wrong with miniskirts?

Moonshadow · Post by **Moonshadow** » 2002-10-04 01:02am

in my opinion (as much as i like the Akiraprise, despite its inconsistant look) they should have used the Daedelus class ship for the show. I've seen the actual desktop model from DS9 at a convention and it didn't look as bad as some of the book drawing show. The neck of the ship wasn't as long( which to me killed the design. the drawings in the ST books had the neck too long). With the shorter neck its a nice looking ship and it appeared that it was meant to have the shorter neck.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-04 12:54pm

Am I the only one who reasoned TOS's 60s clunkyness with a technology crash between now and then?
I mean, they went through WWIII after all, who knows what they lost.
Leave it to B&B to shatter that for me as well.

In any case, they don't have to have 60s effects for their damn weapons, just something that doesn't look like the beam from a phaser Picard would fire.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-10-04 01:48pm

I would agree, you can take the spirit of TOS and put it together with current VFX. From what I remember, TNG use all sorts of TOS sounds slightly modified in the show from phasers to bridge sounds. Enterprise's equipment could be larger and bulkier without being awkward, and they could do without the all in one piece of equipment they tend to have. Although I do like their uniforms in Ent, and I think if they stipulate that their phase pistols are some sort of phased plasma or phased laser or some other crap, it would fit in a little better. I like the actual look of them though, they look more like a gun than a dustbuster.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-10-04 05:37pm

I was hoping they would revisit TOS, but they hand us this garbage. B&B do hate TOS. Of course, i hate every other series, so B&B should insert long, tubular devices into their asses.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-04 06:58pm

There is a way they could fix the problem of the Akiraprize's too-advanced look: have the thing gets its ass handed to it a few times, (a few good action episodes or even a really hardcore cliffhanger would do it) then have it return to Earth for a "refit" of heavier hull plating, eliminating the TNG-style nacelle and nav dish glows and giving it the smoother look of Daedalus and Constitution class ships. Explain the too-small size of the communicators by switching them from something like microwave-based signaling to subspace signaling (which would mean they'd have to be bigger to incorporate the new transceivers). I don't know, maybe that's all just coming off as standard Village Idiot stupidity, but it just might be workable...

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-04 07:55pm

Better yet, destroy the fucking thing completely. Mayweather, Sato and T'Pol can go up with it. The new ship can be a Daedalus.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-05 01:11am

The Phase Pistols suck crap. If you watch the episode where Archer cuts the log in half, you will know that their yields are absolutely terrible and inconsistent.

And yes, they are presented in utter violation of canonicity.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-05 03:38am

Not to mention the idiotic desingn, at the beginning of one Ep you see how they change power packs....

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2002-10-07 01:28am

about that star wars screen thing....I read somewhere on this site that Star Wars has no technological development. That the prequel tech was the same was the ordinary trilogy tech.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-07 03:09am

Where?

Death Star.

eat that

P.S. Watch ST:V then Watch Voy:Caretaker, tell me fed tech hasn't regressed.

As an aside TOS Tricorders are better, You can smack assailants over the head with them

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-07 11:24am

Dennis Toy wrote:about that star wars screen thing....I read somewhere on this site that Star Wars has no technological development. That the prequel tech was the same was the ordinary trilogy tech.

It is relatively similar in most respects, however there are still advancements going on in a few fields. Some of the major ones are: computer speed, processing power, and memory, power storage, and hyperdrive speed. In addition, some work is being done on armor.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-07 12:10pm

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:Personally, I find the Enterprise technology to be one of its worst crimes against continuity -- after all, in The Cage -- which is supposed to be 90 years or so after NX-01, Starfleet was still using high-power lasers -- in fact, they weren't even called Starfleet until somewhere around the middle of TOS's run! Communicators were huge, compared to Enterprise communicators. So were Tricorders -- gigantic things that looked vaguely like womens' purses with little TV screens sewn on.

But that's my opinion. What's yours?

I hate the phase pistols, loved the old-style plasma pistols.
This is just B&B wanting to make everyone think that technology is more important than yield/efficency

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-07 12:20pm

Dennis Toy wrote:about that star wars screen thing....I read somewhere on this site that Star Wars has no technological development. That the prequel tech was the same was the ordinary trilogy tech.

Except for probable refinements along the lines of what is most likely to be prioritized, I.E. millitary tech, it's not going to change that much, and that is one more thing that makes SW quite realistic.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-07 02:21pm

Dennis Toy wrote:about that star wars screen thing....I read somewhere on this site that Star Wars has no technological development. That the prequel tech was the same was the ordinary trilogy tech.

Technological stasis and "no technological developement" are very different things.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-07 06:58pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Dennis Toy wrote:about that star wars screen thing....I read somewhere on this site that Star Wars has no technological development. That the prequel tech was the same was the ordinary trilogy tech.
Technological stasis and "no technological developement" are very different things.

I don't know... the same technology appears to have developed, then gone essentially unchanged for 25 millennia... if that isn't stagnation, I don't know what is.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-07 06:59pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:Personally, I find the Enterprise technology to be one of its worst crimes against continuity -- after all, in The Cage -- which is supposed to be 90 years or so after NX-01, Starfleet was still using high-power lasers -- in fact, they weren't even called Starfleet until somewhere around the middle of TOS's run! Communicators were huge, compared to Enterprise communicators. So were Tricorders -- gigantic things that looked vaguely like womens' purses with little TV screens sewn on.

But that's my opinion. What's yours?
I hate the phase pistols, loved the old-style plasma pistols.
This is just B&B wanting to make everyone think that technology is more important than yield/efficency

It's also just another indicator of their unspoken dedication to gang-fucking Trek continuity, and Trek in general.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-07 07:01pm

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Dennis Toy wrote:about that star wars screen thing....I read somewhere on this site that Star Wars has no technological development. That the prequel tech was the same was the ordinary trilogy tech.
Technological stasis and "no technological developement" are very different things.
I don't know... the same technology appears to have developed, then gone essentially unchanged for 25 millennia... if that isn't stagnation, I don't know what is.

Care to expand upon your baseless statement?

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