Length of an SSD?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-11-13 10:57am

I've seen great disparities between estimates of a Super Star Destroyer's length. THe most common figure I see is 8 kilometers, but I've seen estimates going as high as 17.5 km. Anybody know what it really is?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-13 11:14am

Canon supports 17.6 kilometres for the length of an Executor-class Command Ship.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-11-13 11:19am

Executor:

Older official: 8 km,
newer official: 12.8 km,
movie estimate and model scaling: 17.4 ~ 17.6 km (around 11 times the lenght of a common destroyer). This is the closest to the movie, so this is the 'real'.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-11-13 01:19pm

If you watch ESB, you will notice that the Executor is roughly eleven times as long as an ordinary Star Destroyer.

Since a Star Destroyer is supposed to be 1.6 km long, that would make the Executor roughly 17,6 km long.

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2003-11-13 02:37pm

this has been discussed very often and very long.... read the older posts

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2003-11-13 02:54pm

Depends on whether you are referring to a Super-class Star Destroyer or an Executor-class Commandship. The former is either 8 or 12.8 Km and the later in 17.6 Km.

Cyborg Stan · Post by **Cyborg Stan** » 2003-11-13 02:58pm

Hm. To make a long story short, it's the difference between a canon source vs an official figure (probably from a misunderstanding of a canon source) vs an annoying compromise. Since canon overrides things with mere official status, we use the 17.6 km figure here.

From the Star Wars Technical Commentaries :
Executor-class Commandships ("Super Star Destroyers") (Size Section)
Super Star Destroyers: History of the "five mile" fallacy.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-13 03:25pm

17.6 km

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2003-11-13 03:59pm

I'd say the debate is still open and always will be until 17.6 is actually STATED in canon. As opposed to the tons of published material which indicate otherwise. Until then people will continue to argue either way religiously.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2003-11-13 04:30pm

Super-Gagme wrote:I'd say the debate is still open and always will be until 17.6 is actually STATED in canon.

Why? The films clearly show 17.6km. You can't really get more canon.

Personally I don't like the idea of creating a new "Super class" just to cover the mistake though. I prefer to just consider it an EU screwup and leave it at that.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2003-11-13 04:33pm

Sharp-kun wrote:
Super-Gagme wrote:I'd say the debate is still open and always will be until 17.6 is actually STATED in canon.
Why? The films clearly show 17.6km.

Personally I don't like the idea of creating a new "Super class" just to cover the mistake though. I prefer to just consider it an EU screwup and leave it at that.

Okay what exactly are you telling me? The facts are people will keep debating because they like published material over taking frames of a movie and measuring based on Star Destroyer. Or they perfer it that way. Either way they will keep debating it until one or the other is stated in absolute canon. The only thing is that 12km gets more and more supporters because new fans will find 12km. Not everyone takes measurements of the screen to work out size of ships. They just look it up in official sources

Everyone should start a petition to get Starwars.com changed to 17.8

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2003-11-13 04:44pm

Super-Gagme wrote: The only thing is that 12km gets more and more supporters because new fans will find 12km. Not everyone takes measurements of the screen to work out size of ships. They just look it up in official sources

They're still wrong.

This isn't really open to debate as it is.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-11-13 04:47pm

There is no Super class Star Destroyer.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-13 04:48pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:There is no Super class Star Destroyer.

It's an attempt to rationalize it

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2003-11-13 04:56pm

Ender wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:There is no Super class Star Destroyer.
It's an attempt to rationalize it

I don't think we really need to though.

Take the Lusankya. Its called a Super Star Destroyer, and is stated to be 8km long in the EU.

However, we know that this ship is identical to Executor, and is obviously of the same class, otherwise Kuat and Fondor wouldn't both have claimed to have built it, whoever built Lusankya would have seen that Executor was clearly bigger and the deception would have been pointless.

So we have 1 SSD, stated at 2 lengths. Do we create a new class for this ship, stated at 8km, and ignore the fact that its clearly intended to be 17.6, like Executor, or do we simply ignore it, and take it as 17.6km.

I go with the later. Not everything needs to be rationalised.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-11-13 05:29pm

This has been discussed to death.

Executor class ships are 17.6 km long, or thereabouts. There is no room for discussion or debate, and this thread has already been done LOTS of times.

Thread locked.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-13 05:41pm

Works better if you actually lock it when you say that