Somewhat unfortunate Episode III news

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-03 09:34pm

James Earl Jones confirmed today that George Lucas told him that the Vader transformation scene will not occur until the last five minutes of the film, so we probably won't get to see Darth in action. Sad, but oh well.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-10-03 09:35pm

The fact that it is in there at all is a plus for me. I wouldn't want to see Vader half way through the movie.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-10-03 09:40pm

Tell you the truth thats what I expected the whole time to.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-03 09:47pm

I sort of thought we were going to see the fully-armored Darth take on some Jedi, but I guess not.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-03 10:06pm

I was kind of hoping that the full Vader would appear early, so I wouldn't have to endure that whiny son of a bitch Anakin for the whole movie again.
Even so.. maybe Lucas told JEJ to lie, so as to suprise us..
Hey, I can hope, can't I?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-03 10:46pm

Then again, we could be treated to something like a forty-minute lightsabre battle between Obi-wan and Anakin in the second half of the film.

About the JEJ thing: It's what I expected, too. Having Anakin become Vader in the first half of the film would eliminate the dramatic effect his fall to the Dark Side would have.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-03 10:50pm

Also; as powerful as Darth Vader is, I don't think he has the speed or the reflexes to effectively deal with Jedi in his weakened state.

The unsuited Sith Lord in his prime is an entirely different matter, however...

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-10-03 10:54pm

Perhaps Anakin will be Darth Vader earlier in the film just not the version that has James Earl Jones' voice?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-03 10:57pm

Of course he will be adopt Darth Vader as his Sith surname earlier in the film, but he won't be fully suited.

Darth Vader in his prime, unhindered by his physical complications. Should be interesting...

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-04 06:48am

I wanna see a BDZ! I wanna see HTL's fired from several lightseconds away strike a planet and cause massive explosions like in the opening of LEXX 1.0 and like in this picture:

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-04 07:03am

Also, it said he was going todo 5 minutes of dialouge, that can be spread out over half an hour for all we know.

HBMC · Post by **HBMC** » 2002-10-04 07:17am

What HDS said.

Go and watch ANH. Most of Vader is just standing there while Tarkin does his bit. Screen Time does not = Talking Time.

Someone speaking for five minutes continuously is a long time. People very rarely talk for 10 seconds at a time, unless telling a story or involved in an open debate.

A conversation between two people has maybe 5 second grabs between people, and that happens over a longer period of time if you add a third, then a fourth, then a fifth (and so on) person into the conversation.

BYE

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-04 10:28am

Thank you very much HDS and HBMC!!!

My hope that Vader will kick at least ONE, just ONE ass has been replenished.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-10-04 12:14pm

I want Episode III to get an R rating, so the battle between Obi-Wan and Vader can be shown in gory detail. I want Anakin to emerge screaming from the volcano covered in burnt skin, blood, and lava.... The only thing keeping him alive is the Dark Side of the Force and his hatred for Kenobi.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2002-10-04 12:16pm

Hey! I have an idea! Why not make a great movie that you wants to see over and over and over again instead of a predictable action movie with just some bad guys kicking Jedi ass?

If Anakin became Vader early in the film, that would pretty much ruin the whole thing, wouldn't it? I mea, everybody knows what's going to happen but it doesn't until the time is just right, with the right music and everything, and that should be when, at least, 3/4 of the movie has passed. And then in the end of the movie, Palpatine sends out Vader to kill all the Jedis, or something similar.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-10-04 05:39pm

Well, we better get a gigantic space battle in Episode 3, or else i will kill people. A shitty one in TPM, a small fighter duel in AOTC, do not make good space battles.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-10-04 05:39pm

And why the hell didnt we see Acclamators ripping apart Federation ships?

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-10-04 07:39pm

I will reiterate my hopes.

1) Anakin having fully turned to the dark side striding into and through the jedi temple massacring all those who try to stop him.

2) A space battle, possibly even the battle for Coruscant itself where someone on the ground looks up into the DAY sky and all they can see is a sky of green and red thanks to the massive amounts of TL fire and explosions.

3) A ground battle, preferably in an urban environment that includes - CAS, precision orbital strikes aaaaand... A Base Delta Zero! Yay!

and my personal hope

4) The final duel between Obi Wan and Anakin will be remarkable and actually emotional. Yes emotional, as Anakin explains why he turned, as Obi Wan tries to convert him back, as they fight they continue speaking... It should be a really really STRONG sequence to watch.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-04 08:23pm

weemadando wrote: 4) The final duel between Obi Wan and Anakin will be remarkable and actually emotional. Yes emotional, as Anakin explains why he turned, as Obi Wan tries to convert him back, as they fight they continue speaking... It should be a really really STRONG sequence to watch.

The only emotions Anakin should show by now are unthinking rage and hate, slowly manifesting into cold, calculating darkness.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-04 08:33pm

I too wish to see a massive space battle.
They need to put the star wars back into Star Wars, ho ho ho.

And BDZ! If only to shut those Trekkies up!

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-10-04 08:43pm

Don't want to add to the disappoinment, but Lucas said that Ep III will be a small personal movie. That means to me that it will focus on Anakin, Padme and Obi Wan and we won;t see any HUGE space battles since the timeline GL puts forth for EP III states that it begins at the end of the clone wars so when it comes to space battles we may only have the battle of Endor for all six movies to look to for space battles.

I respect the decision. GL has always been more interested in characters than in technology, its a main theme in his story afterall.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-04 11:11pm

Stravo wrote:
I respect the decision. GL has always been more interested in characters than in technology, its a main theme in his story afterall.

I take it you never saw Episode 1

There will be a space battle. One was planned for Episode II and was cut because it would just make the movie too long- same with the Mace vs Jango fight and the Jedi attack on the Droid Control Ship.

Lucas also said that Episode II would be a 'small, personal love story'. It was nothing of the sort (in terms of scale, battles, etc.)

Of COURSE there'll be a big fuckoff space battle- near the beginning of the film, to resolve the end of the Clone Wars most likely. Not only is it necessary because its STAR WARS, not SMALL PERSONAL TALE,

but how else do you establish that Anakin was the "best starfighter pilot in the galaxy"?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-05 01:35pm

Maybe he will only appear suited in the end, in the senate with palpy, declaring a new order?

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-10-05 01:44pm

I was thinking seeing Vader on the bridge of a star destroyer watching the Imperial fleet do a fly by with Palpy at his side.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2002-10-05 05:58pm

I was thinking Vader and Palpatine looking out a starship's windows at tens of thousands of ISDs under construction at Kuat, with the Imperial March playing at space-shuttle launch volumes.

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Somewhat unfortunate Episode III news

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