Matrix fanboys compare Star Wars with Matrix

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-14 06:49am

Check out http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0242653/board/nest/4203271

Some people actualy think it makes sense to compare Star Wars with Matrix !

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-11-14 07:02am

The IMDB boards are insanely insane. I try not to care about what crazys there say. For any given movie, you'll have four people saying that it was offensive to God, two people saying that the movie's actors are hot, one person offering undecipherable philosophical 'insight,' three people asking inane questions which make you wonder whether or not they saw the movie, and five people per previously mentioned person making snide comments about the aforementioned posts.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-11-14 07:09am

I wasn't going to read through that entire thing, so I'll just add some thoughts.

Matrix 1 was very much like Star Wars. It followed a similiar style of storytelling, it even had a triumphant conclusion much like ANH. Both films have fast pacing, a lot thanks to the editing. Not only that, but both films introduced new film techniques - SW introduced sfx in a new and EXCITING way, while Matrix did weird and interesting things as well (a lot that has been copied and parodied).

Reload and Rev aren't similiar to ESB or ROTJ. They are similiar to the Prequels however. By that I mean the prevalence of CGI in the storytelling more than anything. There's nothing wrong with CGI, but when it becomes a 'poor' substitute for storytelling then what's the point of emotionally investing in the characters? Or the plot? Or setting?

I think the Matrix sequels and the PT are in leagues of their own. The first Matrix was a classic the way SW is a classic. It's sequels leave much to be desired however.

On a thematic point of view, it makes sense to compare any work of literature to another. But usually the comparison has to be justified. Comparing Matrix 1 to ANH in terms of pacing or character archetypes or story construction, for instance. Obviously they're both different stories, but they do hold similarities. To compare and contrast between them isn't a crime; it's just another way of appreciating the story.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-11-14 08:43am

I post on such boards under my alternate alias "Skaffen-Amtiskaw" and I've been recently sneaking around those threads and some of the fanboys are amazingly dense.

Still, half of IMDb.com's members seem to type all in capitals and say "I TOTALY 10O% AGREE WITH U!!1!" most of the time.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-11-14 11:27am

In case it hasn't been brought up now, "The Matrix" and "Star Wars" both decribe an archetypical "Hero's Journey".

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-11-14 12:02pm

I can't stand Matrix and it's sequels. I think it's only a temporary phenomen, which will be forgot in some time, especially with now the third part such junk.

So that comparison is stupid. Matrix will never make it to a longlive level like SW.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-11-14 03:01pm

What's wrong with comparing Star Wars with The Matrix? I can do it easy!

Star Wars is better.

There, I compared them.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-11-14 04:08pm

You know, if you actually read the post, it seems like the guy is saying that Star Wars is indeed better.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-11-14 05:15pm

Holy shit, a story where a regular guy is brought into a secret resistance, fufilling a prophecy and saving the resistance? Noooo... That couldn't be, Holiwood wouldn't take that kind of chance!

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-11-14 06:51pm

Slartibartfast wrote:What's wrong with comparing Star Wars with The Matrix? I can do it easy!

Star Wars is better.

There, I compared them.

That's contrasting them.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-14 11:19pm

HemlockGrey wrote:You know, if you actually read the post, it seems like the guy is saying that Star Wars is indeed better.

The guy is correct. Star Wars is indeed a better film than the Matrix. However there are others who like to disagree if you read the whole thing.

Personally I think both the Matrix and Star Wars are great movies. I enjoyed them both. However Star Wars is the better movie. The first Matrix was good but the sequels while very entertaining did not live up to my expectations.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-11-14 11:25pm

Oh for fuck's sake, Star Wars and the Matrix are only similar in the most ridiculously superficial way. Hint: Luke doesn't die at the end of ROTJ, nor is there any "Christ-like" bullshit in the stories of either Anakin or Luke.

The Matrix is more like Life of Brian, only not as funny.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-11-14 11:42pm

Darth Wong wrote: nor is there any "Christ-like" bullshit in the stories of either Anakin or Luke.

A fatherless birth ring a bell?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-11-14 11:49pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: nor is there any "Christ-like" bullshit in the stories of either Anakin or Luke.
A fatherless birth ring a bell?

Obviously, you believe that to be unique to Christianity. Much to learn, you still have.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-11-14 11:52pm

Darth Wong wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: nor is there any "Christ-like" bullshit in the stories of either Anakin or Luke.
A fatherless birth ring a bell?
Obviously, you believe that to be unique to Christianity. Much to learn, you still have.

Hell the Greeks had a MOTHERLESS birth. Athena sprouting out of the head of Zues, fully grown, clad in armor, anyone?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-11-15 12:20am

Darth Wong wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: nor is there any "Christ-like" bullshit in the stories of either Anakin or Luke.
A fatherless birth ring a bell?
Obviously, you believe that to be unique to Christianity. Much to learn, you still have.

I never claimed it was unique to Christian mythology, but it is a Christ-like quality.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-11-15 12:22am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:I never claimed it was unique to Christian mythology, but it is a Christ-like quality.

So is nose-hair. But Anakin is no Christ figure. As I said, I think the best film parallel to The Matrix is in Life of Brian.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-15 12:31am

I never claimed it was unique to Christian mythology, but it is a Christ-like quality

Anakin eventualy turned evil and became Darth Vader. Such a thing never happened to Jesus.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-11-15 12:47am

Darth Wong wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:I never claimed it was unique to Christian mythology, but it is a Christ-like quality.
So is nose-hair. But Anakin is no Christ figure. As I said, I think the best film parallel to The Matrix is in Life of Brian.

Holy crap. I never thought of it that way.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-11-15 01:01am

If jesus didn't turn evil then how did he come to allow pat robertson to worship him?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-15 01:06am

darthdavid wrote:If jesus didn't turn evil then how did he come to allow pat robertson to worship him?

Jesus had no idea that God will allow Pat Robertson to be born.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-11-15 01:40am

evilcat4000 wrote:
darthdavid wrote:If jesus didn't turn evil then how did he come to allow pat robertson to worship him?
Jesus had no idea that God will allow Pat Robertson to be born.

Except that Jesus IS God, and therefore has full acess to omniscience.

Another trait Anakin lacks. Anyway, you can't swing a dead Jawa around without hitting someone who aint got a daddy. Big whoop.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-11-15 04:05am

Darth Wong wrote:
The Matrix is more like Life of Brian, only not as funny.

(envisions the crew of the Nebuchadnezzar singing "Always Look At The Bright Side Of Life")

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-11-15 04:43am

That reminds me, if they're comparable, then I want them to make a Matrix Holiday Special.

If only Art Carney were still alive. but at least you could still have it hosted by Bea Arthur, have Keanu Reeves wear gobs of make-up, let Carrie-Ann Moss 'sing' a disco version of one of the films' music pieces with Jefferson Airplane, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a shitty cartoon to put in the middle to top that crap Peter Chung did for the Animatrix.

Think about it; it'd be a fun holiday special as the Nebuchadnezzar races back to Zion in hopes of making it back in time fir Christmas, and in between all the fighing, they can have musical numbers and all that. It'd be swell.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-11-15 06:15am

Darth Wong wrote:I think the best film parallel to The Matrix is in Life of Brian.

Oh, come on! Don't compare those! You'll only make the Matrix trilogy look even worse than it already does.

On second thought, go ahead. Especially if it makes Life of Brian look even better than it already is.