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No, really; the Patriot Act is here to protect your Liberty. :roll:

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Page: All of a sudden the Patriot Act isn't just about terrorists anymore


By Clarence Page
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WASHINGTON -- In our latest episode of continuing adventures with the USA Patriot Act, FBI agents say they have used the new anti-terrorism law to prosecute a political bribery case centered on the owner of some Las Vegas strip clubs.
What do topless dancers in Vegas have to do with terrorism, you may ask? Nothing, everyone agrees, unless perhaps you count the violence that some of the ladies inflict on the wallets of their mostly male clientele.
Nevertheless, the FBI now confirms local Las Vegas newspaper reports that the agency used the Patriot Act's provisions to subpoena financial information about four local politicians and one local businessman, Michael Galardi, the owner of the Jaguars topless dance clubs in southern Nevada and Cheetah's clubs in Las Vegas and San Diego.
The Patriot Act, passed in the panicky weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, allows the government to peak into the personal affairs of many people, not just suspected terrorists. The law's powers only begin with suspected terrorists. We have yet to learn how far it extends.
That's the part that Attorney General John Ashcroft does not talk much about as he tours the country touting the powers the Patriot Act has given the federal government to fight terrorism.
"We have used these tools to save innocent American lives," Ashcroft told a convention of law officers at the federal courthouse in Las Vegas back in August. "We have used these tools to provide the security that ensures liberty."
He neglected to mention how, even as he spoke, Las Vegas FBI agents were using those "tools" to go after a strip club owner and the politicians he allegedly paid off.
It turns out that Section 314 of the Patriot Act allows federal investigators wider leeway in obtaining financial information from stockbrokers, banks and other financial institutions on people "suspected, based on credible evidence, of engaging in terrorist acts or money laundering."
Pay close attention to that last phrase, "or money laundering." Ah, what legal power that little word "or" contains. Thanks to that teeny but mighty conjunction, the Patriot Act is not limited to money laundering that is linked to suspected terrorist acts but to any suspected money laundering.
"The Patriot Act was not meant to be just for terrorism," Department of Justice spokesman Mark Corallo told a reporter.
Now they tell us. Before the Patriot Act became law, FBI agents needed a subpoena from a grand jury to demand financial records. Under Section 314, agents no longer need trouble themselves with facing a grand jury, which is, after all, made up of only ordinary citizens. Instead, agents need only certify in secret documentation a reasonable suspicion that money laundering is taking place.
Only after the case comes to trial can a judge rule on whether the agents' certification was adequate. If not, the judge can throw out all the evidence gathered as a result of the bogus certification, according to the Justice Department spokesmen.
Why, one wonders, is the normal subpoena process such a bother, all of a sudden? Since when it is so hard to prosecute public corruption in Las Vegas, a possibility that rivals gambling in Casablanca on most people's shock-o-meters?
The Justice Department spokesman said the American people expect law enforcement officers to use any and all constitutional and legal tools to fight all crime, whether it is terror-related or not.
Maybe that's so. After all, it is just allegedly corrupt politicians and strip club owners we are talking about here and not the sort of people for whom, say, the Moral Majority would go to bat.
Most anti-abortion groups probably felt that way about the federal RICO (Racketeering Influence and Corrupt Organizations Act) law until pro-choice groups persuaded the federal government to use it against aggressive protests at abortion clinics.
Anti-abortion groups cheered when the Supreme Court overturned that use of anti-crime law by 8-to-1 last spring in the Scheidler v. NOW case. Now we shall wait to see how many of those same groups join hands with civil libertarians as the government overreaches with the Patriot Act.
Some members of Congress on both sides of the aisle are expressing reservations about the potential for wretched governmental excesses under the Patriot Act. Fortunately, the law must be renewed in 2005. That gives Congress time to reconsider its 342 pages in a calmer atmosphere than that which followed the 2001 terrorist attacks.
I hope they debate wisely. Concern for civil liberties should be equally important to both political parties. After all, the privacy you save may be your own.
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No, I didnt see this coming... :roll:
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I found this line espically telling.
"The Patriot Act was not meant to be just for terrorism," Department of Justice spokesman Mark Corallo told a reporter.
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Oh what a joy... I love how the government can investigate me secretly without having any credible evidence.. Isnt it wondeful? SIEG BUSH!
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Well, it's not lke conducting a search without a warrent...
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, it's not lke conducting a search without a warrent...
Not at all, its just like a big blank warrent you can just keep using...
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, it's not lke conducting a search without a warrent...
Well lets see.... under the Patriot Act:
Under Section 314, agents no longer need trouble themselves with facing a grand jury, which is, after all, made up of only ordinary citizens. Instead, agents need only certify in secret documentation a reasonable suspicion that money laundering is taking place.
Thats conducting a seach without a warrent.... keep in mind the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, in the Bill of Rights, explictly states:
Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Provide a REAL version of PA, Section 314, not some summary done by a newspaper article...
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SEC. 314. COOPERATIVE EFFORTS TO DETER MONEY LAUNDERING.

(a) COOPERATION AMONG FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, REGULATORY AUTHORITIES, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITIES-

(1) REGULATIONS- The Secretary shall, within 120 days after the date of enactment of this Act, adopt regulations to encourage further cooperation among financial institutions, their regulatory authorities, and law enforcement authorities, with the specific purpose of encouraging regulatory authorities and law enforcement authorities to share with financial institutions information regarding individuals, entities, and organizations engaged in or reasonably suspected based on credible evidence of engaging in terrorist acts or money laundering activities.

(2) COOPERATION AND INFORMATION SHARING PROCEDURES- The regulations adopted under paragraph (1) may include or create procedures for cooperation and information sharing focusing on--

(A) matters specifically related to the finances of terrorist groups, the means by which terrorist groups transfer funds around the world and within the United States, including through the use of charitable organizations, nonprofit organizations, and nongovernmental organizations, and the extent to which financial institutions in the United States are unwittingly involved in such finances and the extent to which such institutions are at risk as a result;

(B) the relationship, particularly the financial relationship, between international narcotics traffickers and foreign terrorist organizations, the extent to which their memberships overlap and engage in joint activities, and the extent to which they cooperate with each other in raising and transferring funds for their respective purposes; and

(C) means of facilitating the identification of accounts and transactions involving terrorist groups and facilitating the exchange of information concerning such accounts and transactions between financial institutions and law enforcement organizations.

(3) CONTENTS- The regulations adopted pursuant to paragraph (1) may--

(A) require that each financial institution designate 1 or more persons to receive information concerning, and to monitor accounts of individuals, entities, and organizations identified, pursuant to paragraph (1); and

(B) further establish procedures for the protection of the shared information, consistent with the capacity, size, and nature of the institution to which the particular procedures apply.

(4) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION- The receipt of information by a financial institution pursuant to this section shall not relieve or otherwise modify the obligations of the financial institution with respect to any other person or account.

(5) USE OF INFORMATION- Information received by a financial institution pursuant to this section shall not be used for any purpose other than identifying and reporting on activities that may involve terrorist acts or money laundering activities.

(b) COOPERATION AMONG FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS- Upon notice provided to the Secretary, 2 or more financial institutions and any association of financial institutions may share information with one another regarding individuals, entities, organizations, and countries suspected of possible terrorist or money laundering activities. A financial institution or association that transmits, receives, or shares such information for the purposes of identifying and reporting activities that may involve terrorist acts or money laundering activities shall not be liable to any person under any law or regulation of the United States, any constitution, law, or regulation of any State or political subdivision thereof, or under any contract or other legally enforceable agreement (including any arbitration agreement), for such disclosure or for any failure to provide notice of such disclosure to the person who is the subject of such disclosure, or any other person identified in the disclosure, except where such transmission, receipt, or sharing violates this section or regulations promulgated pursuant to this section.

(c) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION- Compliance with the provisions of this title requiring or allowing financial institutions and any association of financial institutions to disclose or share information regarding individuals, entities, and organizations engaged in or suspected of engaging in terrorist acts or money laundering activities shall not constitute a violation of the provisions of title V of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (Public Law 106-102).

(d) REPORTS TO THE FINANCIAL SERVICES INDUSTRY ON SUSPICIOUS FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES- At least semiannually, the Secretary shall--

(1) publish a report containing a detailed analysis identifying patterns of suspicious activity and other investigative insights derived from suspicious activity reports and investigations conducted by Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies to the extent appropriate; and

(2) distribute such report to financial institutions (as defined in section 5312 of title 31, United States Code).
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The Patriot Act... It's not just for Terrorists anymore!
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Since when is conducting an investigation on the same level as a search?
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SEC. 314. COOPERATIVE EFFORTS TO DETER MONEY LAUNDERING.
(a) COOPERATION AMONG FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, REGULATORY
AUTHORITIES, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITIES.—
(1) REGULATIONS.—The Secretary shall, within 120 days
after the date of enactment of this Act, adopt regulations to
encourage further cooperation among financial institutions,
their regulatory authorities, and law enforcement authorities,
with the specific purpose of encouraging regulatory authorities
and law enforcement authorities to share with financial institutions
information regarding individuals, entities, and organizations
engaged in or reasonably suspected based on credible
evidence of engaging in terrorist acts or money laundering
activities.
(2) COOPERATION AND INFORMATION SHARING PROCEDURES.—
The regulations adopted under paragraph (1) may
include or create procedures for cooperation and information
sharing focusing on—
(A) matters specifically related to the finances of terrorist
groups, the means by which terrorist groups transfer
funds around the world and within the United States,
including through the use of charitable organizations, nonprofit
organizations, and nongovernmental organizations,
and the extent to which financial institutions in the United
States are unwittingly involved in such finances and the
extent to which such institutions are at risk as a result;
(B) the relationship, particularly the financial relationship,
between international narcotics traffickers and foreign
terrorist organizations, the extent to which their memberships
overlap and engage in joint activities, and the extent
to which they cooperate with each other in raising and
transferring funds for their respective purposes; and
(C) means of facilitating the identification of accounts
and transactions involving terrorist groups and facilitating
the exchange of information concerning such accounts and
transactions between financial institutions and law enforcement
organizations.
(3) CONTENTS.—The regulations adopted pursuant to paragraph
(1) may—
(A) require that each financial institution designate
1 or more persons to receive information concerning, and
to monitor accounts of individuals, entities, and organizations
identified, pursuant to paragraph (1); and
(B) further establish procedures for the protection of
the shared information, consistent with the capacity, size,
Deadline.
31 USC 5311
note.
31 USC 5318
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and nature of the institution to which the particular procedures
apply.
(4) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.—The receipt of information
by a financial institution pursuant to this section shall not
relieve or otherwise modify the obligations of the financial
institution with respect to any other person or account.
(5) USE OF INFORMATION.—Information received by a financial
institution pursuant to this section shall not be used for
any purpose other than identifying and reporting on activities
that may involve terrorist acts or money laundering activities.
(b) COOPERATION AMONG FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.—Upon
notice provided to the Secretary, 2 or more financial institutions
and any association of financial institutions may share information
with one another regarding individuals, entities, organizations, and
countries suspected of possible terrorist or money laundering activities.
A financial institution or association that transmits, receives,
or shares such information for the purposes of identifying and
reporting activities that may involve terrorist acts or money laundering
activities shall not be liable to any person under any law
or regulation of the United States, any constitution, law, or regulation
of any State or political subdivision thereof, or under any
contract or other legally enforceable agreement (including any
arbitration agreement), for such disclosure or for any failure to
provide notice of such disclosure to the person who is the subject
of such disclosure, or any other person identified in the disclosure,
except where such transmission, receipt, or sharing violates this
section or regulations promulgated pursuant to this section.
(c) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.—Compliance with the provisions
of this title requiring or allowing financial institutions and any
association of financial institutions to disclose or share information
regarding individuals, entities, and organizations engaged in or
suspected of engaging in terrorist acts or money laundering activities
shall not constitute a violation of the provisions of title V
of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (Public Law 106–102).
(d) REPORTS TO THE FINANCIAL SERVICES INDUSTRY ON SUSPICIOUS
FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES.—At least semiannually, the Secretary
shall—
(1) publish a report containing a detailed analysis identifying
patterns of suspicious activity and other investigative
insights derived from suspicious activity reports and investigations
conducted by Federal, State, and local law enforcement
agencies to the extent appropriate; and
(2) distribute such report to financial institutions (as
defined in section 5312 of title 31, United States Code).
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Since when is conducting an investigation on the same level as a search?
When they access your personal financial information. Or didn't you know that the government can't simply take you banking statements without a warrant?
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Since when is conducting an investigation on the same level as a search?
Don't let the Orwellian Newspeak fool you, "COOPERATIVE EFFORTS TO DETER MONEY LAUNDERING." is just another way of saying "We can search private finical documents without getting a warrent."
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Since when is conducting an investigation on the same level as a search?
It is a search when they can "acquire" your finance documents from such an investigation.
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The Kernel wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Since when is conducting an investigation on the same level as a search?
When they access your personal financial information. Or didn't you know that the government can't simply take you banking statements without a warrant?
I always assumed that they didn't have to.
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Yeah... they used to need an actual warrant for that stuff.
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BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Since when is conducting an investigation on the same level as a search?
Don't let the Orwellian Newspeak fool you, "COOPERATIVE EFFORTS TO DETER MONEY LAUNDERING." is just another way of saying "We can search private finical documents without getting a warrent."
Indeed, the Federal government has been known to use anti-organized crime laws against private citizens in order to have easier access to their financial information (several cases of Enterprise Corruption against private citizens have been documented). This is simply another example of the Feds using a broad statute against people it was not intended for.
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The Kernel wrote:
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Since when is conducting an investigation on the same level as a search?
Don't let the Orwellian Newspeak fool you, "COOPERATIVE EFFORTS TO DETER MONEY LAUNDERING." is just another way of saying "We can search private finical documents without getting a warrent."
Indeed, the Federal government has been known to use anti-organized crime laws against private citizens in order to have easier access to their financial information (several cases of Enterprise Corruption against private citizens have been documented). This is simply another example of the Feds using a broad statute against people it was not intended for.
Mark Corallo's statement destroy's the idea that the Patriot Act was not intended to be used, by the Justice Department, for precisely this prupose.
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One step more to a "1984" America.
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Tribun wrote:One step more to a "1984" America.
This is hardly a case of thought control.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Tribun wrote:One step more to a "1984" America.
This is hardly a case of thought control.
Don't try things like logic on this branch of the population. After all, ID cards are an inevitable step towards thought control chips in our heads.
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I figure that some proposed national IDs aren't much of a step above social security or driver's license

Of course, don't tell that to fundie xtians, or even most moderates
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
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SirNitram wrote:
Don't try things like logic on this branch of the population. After all, ID cards are an inevitable step towards thought control chips in our heads.
What's wrong with ID cards now? The shit I miss out on ...
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Vympel wrote:
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Don't try things like logic on this branch of the population. After all, ID cards are an inevitable step towards thought control chips in our heads.
What's wrong with ID cards now? The shit I miss out on ...
There was a discussion in another thread on whether government issues ID cards should be mandatory for all citizens to carry. The arguments ranged from, "Sure, why not? I have nothing to hide" to "There's nothing wrong with the idea of an ID card in theory, but the government has no cause to mandate carrying it" to "ID cards are the next step in the government's plan to track everyone, everywhere at all times". The only argument we didn't hear is "ID cards are the Mark of the Beast in Revelations! The end times are coming! Hooray for Jesus!"
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