Terran Empire vs Galactic Empire

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-21 08:16pm

the TE from Happy Target's fanfic, vs the real Empire.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-09-21 08:34pm

Scenario?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-09-21 08:38pm

To avoid redundency or perhaps to look for past inspiration for arguments, here was a past thread: Terran Empire vs. Galactic Empire

The GE would win, but the TE's tricks, esp. with S31, would make them hurt.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-09-22 12:30pm

GE would win by sheer numbers.
HT's TE would make them bleed for every system though.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-09-22 05:16pm

Hell, I see the Terran Empire going:
'We like you guys, want to ally and go take over Species 8472?"
(I haven't read lots of the series)

Either that, or bleed for every system nothing, they'd star blowing them up to prevent the Empire from capturing them.

Genesis Device and Trillithium torpedoes work in that universe....

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-22 05:31pm

It would definitely be a situation where the GE has more to gain through an alliance.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-09-22 05:52pm

If the Terran Empire fought hard enough and used ingenious tactics, the Galactic Empire might just give up the war because winning wouldn't be worth the cost. Possibly trading 20-1 in losses isn't a very spectacular campaign.

That would be where the Terran Empires strength lies. They need to be a larger threat then they are worth in invassion. This will discourage the Empire from attacking because there will be no positive gain.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-09-22 06:08pm

Hehehehe

HT, if you steal the ideas I told ya from my fanfic, I'll be annoyed

Note: Fan Fic coming soon

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-09-23 12:21am

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the Terran Empire would give the Empire a real head-ache, depending on which incarnation/time period of the Empire was invading.

NJO era Empire, the Terran Empire would probably beat them back eventually. the Remanant lacks the ships

Pre Endor Empire (and it had won the Battle of Endor) would eventually beat the Terran Empire, but it would be one bloody war.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-09-28 02:04am

Terrans seem to have some very powerful technologies. But they lack the numbers to be realy a match for the Empire.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-11-17 09:17am

I would advise a massive galaxy gun strike, atleast try and take out every planet they got from afar first, if not for invasion then atleast as a means of destroying a potential threat.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-11-17 09:20am

His Divine Shadow wrote:I would advise a massive galaxy gun strike, atleast try and take out every planet they got from afar first, if not for invasion then atleast as a means of destroying a potential threat.

With all the system-jamming I would not be surprised if the galaxy gun misfires a lot of times.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-11-17 02:18pm

HRogge wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:I would advise a massive galaxy gun strike, atleast try and take out every planet they got from afar first, if not for invasion then atleast as a means of destroying a potential threat.
With all the system-jamming I would not be surprised if the galaxy gun misfires a lot of times.

Visual targeting. Unless they can make their planets invisible too, I haven't read it yet.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-11-17 04:00pm

nightmare wrote:Visual targeting. Unless they can make their planets invisible too, I haven't read it yet.

It could be that the galaxy gun missile would drop out of hyperspace too early, which could make it misfire...

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2003-11-17 04:54pm

I don't see how jamming could work given that the targets location could likely be hardcoded into the galaxy gun, since the location of the star, the planet, and its position in orbit around the sun could easily be calculated at the firing point.

It's not as if you can move a planet in the same fashion as you would move a ship, therefore jamming would be irrelevant.

From what I've read, I dont think the TR could stand up in ship to ship engagements given the still rather large firepower advantage of the GE, rather they would have to fight a terror guerilla campaign which with their cloacking technology and WMD's they could do.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-11-17 05:40pm

Admiral_K wrote:From what I've read, I dont think the TR could stand up in ship to ship engagements given the still rather large firepower advantage of the GE, rather they would have to fight a terror guerilla campaign which with their cloacking technology and WMD's they could do.

HT inflated the TE power output figures to match ueberconnie nonsense plus seventy years. They're xxx gigaton range...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-11-17 06:04pm

An alpha strike from one of the TE's Battlecruisers still matches only to one or two of the Accalamator's batteries. An Imperial Superiority Fleet (6 x Imperial-class Star Destroyers plus support and escort vessels) could waste almost any combat fleet the TE would field, with minimal losses.

They simply are behind in power generation, resources, numbers, and firepower. Not as much as normal Trek, and one can guess at the kind of compromise liberal-to-Trek calcs from the heyday of the versus debate.

TE ships COULD destroy GE vessels. Its also a severe problem for the TE that their shields, like Trek shields, are just a pure energy quantity that's battered down by enemy fire, whereas the GE shields have a dissipation rate, and firepower below that will mostly be for naught.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-11-17 06:09pm

They're most powerful weapon, the Phaser Lance (1 TT), is a only sparingly-mounted and used traditionally as a one-hit-kill weapon, with a low low refire rate. A number of Soveriegn and Galaxy-class vessels could build concentrate their fire to match an ISD's strike, but the ISD's superior shields, refire rate, and flexibility/quantity of equal guns would cause it to win the day.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-11-18 12:02am

What are TE shields like? They could always use the 'Borg Deflector Weapon' from TNG (if they came up with it) to offset the firepower disadvantage.

I admit that this has it's share of problems however.

I still say it would be a galactic wide blood-bath.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2003-11-18 02:18am

HRogge wrote:
nightmare wrote:Visual targeting. Unless they can make their planets invisible too, I haven't read it yet.
It could be that the galaxy gun missile would drop out of hyperspace too early, which could make it misfire...

Unless it causes the missile to drop out far from the system, it just takes longer for them to hit. We're talking huge intelligent missiles with anti-interception batteries and IIRC, shields.

Natorgator · Post by **Natorgator** » 2003-11-18 02:29am

Someone REALLY needs to write a fanfic about this.

As for this:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:They're most powerful weapon, the Phaser Lance (1 TT), is a only sparingly-mounted and used traditionally as a one-hit-kill weapon, with a low low refire rate.

It can refire once every thirty seconds, and IIRC most of the TE ships now have more than one. Given the size of their fleet engagements, they could prove to be a headache if they concentrated their fire on one ISD.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-11-18 08:05am

Admiral_K wrote:I don't see how jamming could work given that the targets location could likely be hardcoded into the galaxy gun, since the location of the star, the planet, and its position in orbit around the sun could easily be calculated at the firing point.

It's not as if you can move a planet in the same fashion as you would move a ship, therefore jamming would be irrelevant.

From what I've read, I dont think the TR could stand up in ship to ship engagements given the still rather large firepower advantage of the GE, rather they would have to fight a terror guerilla campaign which with their cloacking technology and WMD's they could do.

I'm talking about the same jammers that drop ships out of warp... similar to the interdiction system.

It would give the TE maybe enough time to shoot down the GG missile.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-11-18 08:42am

GG missiles have fantastic defenses as I understand it, even NR forces had severe problems intercepting one.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-18 09:41am

I'm talking about the same jammers that drop ships out of warp... similar to the interdiction system.

It would give the TE maybe enough time to shoot down the GG missile.

TE does not hyperspace technology. They can not intercept objects in hyperspace.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-11-18 01:13pm

evilcat4000 wrote:
I'm talking about the same jammers that drop ships out of warp... similar to the interdiction system.

It would give the TE maybe enough time to shoot down the GG missile.
TE does not hyperspace technology. They can not intercept objects in hyperspace.

The TE has access to similar technology ( slipstream ), so their generic jamming might be enough to pull the GG missile out of hyperspace.