Questions about Clone Wars technology and tactics..

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-11-12 10:38pm

From the last three episodes I have a few questions about how this fits into canon and strategy and such..

1) Why were those whole 9 minutes so much better than anything from the last two movies?
2) Why are the arc troopers using hand signals in the middle of firefight and when no one else is near to hear his commands? And I doubt the droids have super hearing abilities as proved by the commandos "surprise" attack.
3) Droid robots.. WHY CAN THEY NOT AIM?!
4) What's the point of an automatic sniper rifle that recoils like mad and is unable to hit a stationary target?
5) Why can a blaster shoot through a tank's armor?
6) Why are their blasters rate of fires so much faster than the OT's rate of fire? Are they all carrying repeaters of something?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-11-12 11:20pm

Trytostaydead wrote:From the last three episodes I have a few questions about how this fits into canon and strategy and such..

1) Why were those whole 9 minutes so much better than anything from the last two movies?

Because it's a different director.

2) Why are the arc troopers using hand signals in the middle of firefight and when no one else is near to hear his commands? And I doubt the droids have super hearing abilities as proved by the commandos "surprise" attack.

Perhaps they are under radio silence.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-13 01:10am

I'd watch the craptacular Chapter 4 before you make sweeping statements like that. I find the battle of Genonosis far superior.

Chapter 4 was all in all fucking dumb.

MrAnderson · Post by **MrAnderson** » 2003-11-13 12:02pm

Just watched Chapter 4. Talk about fucking stupid.

so now we have lance wielding droids who can quick Clonetrooper ass since the clonetroopers suddenly cannot shoot straight.

Oh and when the fuck did this become GI Joe where the badguys shoot the weapons out of the hands of the Clonetroopers without hurting them.

This really nosedived the whole thing for me. When the lancers came out the Clonetroopers should ahve laughed for a moment then gunned their asses down with concentrated fire.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-11-13 01:09pm

..okay.. just watched Chapter 4.. WHAT THE FUCK?!!

Is this going to be Canon? If so.. uh-oh.. I think the Federation will be able to kick the Republic's ass.

One blaster shot rips open a tank's turret?

A lance can rip through and destroy a tank?

Clone Troopers can't hit someone coming straight at them en masse while even firing at them en masse?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-13 09:52pm

Trytostaydead wrote:..okay.. just watched Chapter 4.. WHAT THE FUCK?!!

Is this going to be Canon? If so.. uh-oh.. I think the Federation will be able to kick the Republic's ass.

One blaster shot rips open a tank's turret?

A lance can rip through and destroy a tank?

Clone Troopers can't hit someone coming straight at them en masse while even firing at them en masse?

It's not canon until Lucasfilm says it is- it's a stupid Chapter, but you're exaggerating when you say the Federation can kick the Republic's ass- obviously- they don't have speeder bikes, Durge (the only one who was able to do it), magnetic mines (used to destroy the SPHA-Ts)- and I don't remember seeing where a blaster shot destroyed a tank, but regardless, the Federation doesn't have blasters. There also weren't that many Clonetroopers there in the first place.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-11-13 09:57pm

The blaster shooting through a tank is from Chapter 3 where an ARC jumps in a hover tank, he shoots open the hatch, jumps in, and we see a few blasts coming out of the tank...

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-13 10:25pm

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:The blaster shooting through a tank is from Chapter 3 where an ARC jumps in a hover tank, he shoots open the hatch, jumps in, and we see a few blasts coming out of the tank...

I missed Chapter 3.

So did you mean he jumps *on* a hover tank, shoots open the tank, and then blows it up? That's perfectly reasonable, if that's what happened.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-13 10:32pm

Vympel wrote:
Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:The blaster shooting through a tank is from Chapter 3 where an ARC jumps in a hover tank, he shoots open the hatch, jumps in, and we see a few blasts coming out of the tank...
I missed Chapter 3.

So did you mean he jumps *on* a hover tank, shoots open the tank, and then blows it up? That's perfectly reasonable, if that's what happened.

that's what I saw. I didn't see any shots peirce the tank's armor from the inside.

Hell, if people really want to get upset over stuff, in the latest EMPIRE Biggs blows up a Tie with a rifle. As the Tie is shooting at a Y-wing.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-11-13 10:45pm

Ender wrote:that's what I saw. I didn't see any shots peirce the tank's armor from the inside.

Nope, the ARC, jumps *inside* the AAT tank and shoots it up. Blaster bolts pierce the armour from the inside. The ARC then leaps out and the tank explodes. Perhaps the armor is powered and is more effective in a single direction.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-13 10:48pm

Clone Sergeant wrote: Nope, the ARC, jumps *inside* the AAT tank and shoots it up. Blaster bolts pierce the armour from the inside. The ARC then leaps out and the tank explodes. Perhaps the armor is powered and is more effective in a single direction.

Sounds good to me. Notice also that a Clonetrooper blows an AAT away with a shoulder launched anti-tank missile- if blasters were effective, they would've used them.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-11-13 10:56pm

Vympel wrote:
Clone Sergeant wrote: Nope, the ARC, jumps *inside* the AAT tank and shoots it up. Blaster bolts pierce the armour from the inside. The ARC then leaps out and the tank explodes. Perhaps the armor is powered and is more effective in a single direction.
Sounds good to me. Notice also that a Clonetrooper blows an AAT away with a shoulder launched anti-tank missile- if blasters were effective, they would've used them.

Well, to elaborate. In a single jump the clone trooper jumps onto the tank. Shoots open the hatch (with a single shot) jumps in.. blows everything up. Jumps out (one or two jumps I think) and bunny hops away. Force-sensitive clone trooper? LOL

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-13 11:03pm

Clone Sergeant wrote:
Ender wrote:that's what I saw. I didn't see any shots peirce the tank's armor from the inside.

Nope, the ARC, jumps *inside* the AAT tank and shoots it up. Blaster bolts pierce the armour from the inside. The ARC then leaps out and the tank explodes. Perhaps the armor is powered and is more effective in a single direction.

I just watched it now. He drops in, comes running out, then it explodes. We see a number of shots from the clones hitting and splintering. but nothing piercing it.

The splintering suggests to me that the upgrades recieved on Geonosis included a shield generator

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-13 11:11pm

WRT hand signals and the sniper rifle:

The hand signals make sense if you remember that the clonetroopers helmets also have radios for communication in them. They probably disabled them so the CIS couldn't listen in, and used hand signals to ensure vocla commands were not drowned out in the battle.

The "sniper" rifle has the errors you pointed out, which suggests it might just be a long range or high powered rifle as oppossed to a sniper rifle.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-11-13 11:30pm

The droid shot the rifle in rapid fire, which is also quite unlikely for snipers.

Heck the ARC leader wiped out those droids at the cannon with two handguns better than that droid. Showing more stupidity of Chapter 4.

Uber shielded speeder bikes, perhaps?

And how much weight are those tanks? Ah, forget it, I'll just consider it as a dramatizing effect.

Crix Dorius · Post by **Crix Dorius** » 2003-11-14 12:07am

Is Durge a cyborg ?!? Maybe he is much stronger than we thought.
And his lance could rip through a tank when it's a vibro-lance.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-11-14 12:11am

Regarding "shooting up the tank from the inside" - we know a few things from canon:

1.) Lightsabers can melt a rather substantial degree of even a meter-thick blast door in a matter of seconds (TPM)

2.) The ANH novelization implies that hand blasters can apparently blow away an entire door maybe half a foot thick in a reasonably short period of time.

OTOH nothing really before has told us how durable the TF repulsortanks are, but even then the shots through the hull can be a matter of weapons setting and intensity (intensity is one reason why a lightsaber might cut through something that a blaster bolt would simply not harm.)

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-11-14 12:30am

Star Wars.com Durge Profile

And according to that he and hte Lancer droids are using 'power lances' so I'd say that means it's definitely not just a pointy stick.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-11-14 12:41am

Lancer Droids.

Apparently the IG-88 of bounty hunting fame was an offshoot of this IGBC design. As far as power-lances are concerned, they look like nothing more than force-pikes with hand guards. How that could manage to cut through tank armor is anybodys guess.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-14 02:22am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Lancer Droids.

Apparently the IG-88 of bounty hunting fame was an offshoot of this IGBC design. As far as power-lances are concerned, they look like nothing more than force-pikes with hand guards. How that could manage to cut through tank armor is anybodys guess.

They 'cut' through SPHA-T armor, along the side, which as artillery pieces would be very thin, if present at all. The AT-TE that fell victim to Durge was hit directly under the cockpit- but it wasn't a cut so much as a smash.

As it is, those lances have a rather bulbous 'end'- there's probably some sort of apeture at the end.

Jorgasnarova · Post by **Jorgasnarova** » 2003-11-14 10:09pm

I believe www.theforce.net stated the character of Durge, the superstrong cyborg mercenary from the Clone Wars cartoons, also appears in Star Wars Episode III.

Jorgasnarova · Post by **Jorgasnarova** » 2003-11-15 01:19am

Okay. May have goofed there. The Episode III character is apparently called "General Grievous," but based on some of the sketches posted to the site, looks a heck of a lot like the Clone Wars character of Durge.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-11-18 02:15am

Clone Sergeant wrote:
Ender wrote: Nope, the ARC, jumps *inside* the AAT tank and shoots it up. Blaster bolts pierce the armour from the inside. The ARC then leaps out and the tank explodes. Perhaps the armor is powered and is more effective in a single direction.

Thought I'd bring this up since I noticed it when I watched the ep again today..

1.) The rest of the squad is firing on the tank's front and managing to do precisely dick to it

2.) The shots that put holes in the tank:

1st Shot: Blows through the hatch letting the ARC trooper drop down inside
2nd Shot: Exits the side armor towards the back of the vehicle just below where it flattens off for the turret
3rd Shot: Exits the upper-rear armor
4th Shot: Punches out of the turret top
5th shot: exits through the right side near the half-cylinder shaped bit (anyone know what that does? It looks like it's a bit more than just more armor)
6th and 7th shot punch out the sides

Just thought it was interesting that none of them came out the front.. maybe the AATs are poorly armored enough on the sides and rear that the Clonetrooper rifle can penetrate? (it is supposed to be rather powerful for the time isn't it?)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-18 08:52pm

Watched it again, still didn't see the shot piercing it. Could you provide a screen cap?

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-11-18 09:07pm

Nope, but they're pretty hard to miss, what are you watching them on?

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