Bands Urged to cut album tracks.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-11-18 01:24pm

linky

I hope im not alone when i say im not getting my moneys worth from most albums as it is anyways...

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-11-18 01:27pm

Congratulations guys, you just managed to piss off anybody who was still buying CDs.

That's it, I'm only buying from metal music stores now.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-11-18 01:32pm

Now wait a minute--how long have we been complaining about albums with a few good songs and a bunch of filler crap. If they're reducing the number of songs on albums to reduce filler, this may not be a bad idea (presuming they either reduce the price of CDs or use the extra space for extra content like videos).

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-11-18 01:35pm

RedImperator wrote:Now wait a minute--how long have we been complaining about albums with a few good songs and a bunch of filler crap. If they're reducing the number of songs on albums to reduce filler, this may not be a bad idea (presuming they either reduce the price of CDs or use the extra space for extra content like videos).

If that's what they're going to do, why don't they just release singles? Most albums only have 2-3 good tracks; a single has 2-3 tracks.

What we want is a full-length album that's filled with DECENT MUSIC, not total shit. If I buy an Iron Maiden CD, I'm guaranteed to get at least an hour's worth of good listening from it (although they occasionally have a below-average song). If I buy a Blink 182 CD, I'm guaranteed to get maybe 10 minutes' worth of good listening, with the rest being crap.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-11-18 02:07pm

Crayz9000 wrote:
RedImperator wrote:Now wait a minute--how long have we been complaining about albums with a few good songs and a bunch of filler crap. If they're reducing the number of songs on albums to reduce filler, this may not be a bad idea (presuming they either reduce the price of CDs or use the extra space for extra content like videos).
If that's what they're going to do, why don't they just release singles? Most albums only have 2-3 good tracks; a single has 2-3 tracks.

What we want is a full-length album that's filled with DECENT MUSIC, not total shit. If I buy an Iron Maiden CD, I'm guaranteed to get at least an hour's worth of good listening from it (although they occasionally have a below-average song). If I buy a Blink 182 CD, I'm guaranteed to get maybe 10 minutes' worth of good listening, with the rest being crap.

The problem might be that you're buying a Blink 182 album.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-11-18 02:08pm

RedImperator wrote:The problem might be that you're buying a Blink 182 album.

It's called an example, for fuck's sake.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-11-18 05:22pm

You shouldn't be buying a blink album, or most other pop punk, for good listening, you should buy them for fun. The problem with most new music is that it is hyped as good, but good just means catchy.
My best Cd purchases of the past year were AFI albums, because I enjoy their music. I also bought MSI, because its funny, and sucks, even though the band is very talented.
The other problem is that no one produces a 4 minute song, its always 2:30 or less. The bands that do often are either reliant on filler, or suck.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-18 05:27pm

Most of the CDs I buy are albums that are like ten years old at least or they're Japanese imports/domestic ports of soundtracks.

Have they been factoring older non-new releases into this sales slump, or are they only counting the new releases?

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-11-18 05:33pm

Buy HammerFall

Metall the way it's is supposed to be played!

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-11-18 05:41pm

You crazy Swedes and your metal bands.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-11-18 05:48pm

Dark Hellion wrote:You crazy Swedes and your metal bands.

Well in the choise betveen metal and Britny what choise is there really?

One band I buy the other one I would not even download...

And it's a part of the secret Swedish plan to dominate all entertainment, we started with Survivor and all reports indicate that soon you are ripe for conquest. Hmm I should not have said that should I? Forget it nothing to see here.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-11-18 05:57pm

also bought MSI, because its funny, and sucks, even though the band is very talented.

MSI are awesome, simply because they pretend to be crap, but there stuff is surprisingly good lol

a friend of mine described their music as schitzophrenic lol

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-11-18 09:01pm

Screw it. Put in more entertaining content instead of filler. I'm all for it.

I just bought the greatest CD in years: Rob Zombie's "Past, Present, Future". Sure its a "greatest hits" compilation, but it comes with a couple of never before released tracks, a cool photo album of Zombie over the years, and best of all- a DVD oF ZOMBIE VIDEOS!!!!

I've been looking for a DVD release of his videos for some time, but haven't found 'em. The DVD that comes in this package has almost all the songs on it the music CD does!

I'm all for frills and extras in the packaging instead of filler songs you'll never listen to. KISS re-released their CDs with all the crap that used to come in the LPs: posters, tattoos, etc! I bought a Led Zeppelin compilation the other day that had a couple videos on the CD. I never knew "Kasmir" HAD a frickin' video!

RUSH's newest greatest hits CD included a DVD sampler of 5 or so of their videos. Maybe the record companies are waking up and trying to fight back against downloaded music with all this- including cutting the "fat" from the CDs. Hell, the Zombie CD-DVD package was under $15 bucks! I'd say that's progress!

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-11-18 09:14pm

The LP of Dark Side of the Moon came with two posters and two stickers. You get dicked with the CD....

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-11-18 09:49pm

Perhaps instead of cutting tracks, they should try putting more good songs on the CD. I'm sure the extra effort put into maknig better songs would pay off if more people buy the CD thinking that they'll get 10 good songs rather than 2.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-11-19 12:49am

Lord Poe wrote:Screw it. Put in more entertaining content instead of filler. I'm all for it.

I just bought the greatest CD in years: Rob Zombie's "Past, Present, Future". Sure its a "greatest hits" compilation, but it comes with a couple of never before released tracks, a cool photo album of Zombie over the years, and best of all- a DVD oF ZOMBIE VIDEOS!!!!

I've been looking for a DVD release of his videos for some time, but haven't found 'em. The DVD that comes in this package has almost all the songs on it the music CD does!

I'm all for frills and extras in the packaging instead of filler songs you'll never listen to. KISS re-released their CDs with all the crap that used to come in the LPs: posters, tattoos, etc! I bought a Led Zeppelin compilation the other day that had a couple videos on the CD. I never knew "Kasmir" HAD a frickin' video!

RUSH's newest greatest hits CD included a DVD sampler of 5 or so of their videos. Maybe the record companies are waking up and trying to fight back against downloaded music with all this- including cutting the "fat" from the CDs. Hell, the Zombie CD-DVD package was under $15 bucks! I'd say that's progress!

Thanx for mentioning this. Now I have something to spend all that overtime money on...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-19 01:19am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Perhaps instead of cutting tracks, they should try putting more good songs on the CD. I'm sure the extra effort put into maknig better songs would pay off if more people buy the CD thinking that they'll get 10 good songs rather than 2.

Last time I checked, music artists don't come prepackaged with a key in their back to switch from "SUCK" to "NOT SUCK".

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-11-19 03:32am

Last time I checked, music artists don't come prepackaged with a key in their back to switch from "SUCK" to "NOT SUCK".

Nope, most new artists only come with a SUCK function.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-11-19 01:27pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Perhaps instead of cutting tracks, they should try putting more good songs on the CD. I'm sure the extra effort put into maknig better songs would pay off if more people buy the CD thinking that they'll get 10 good songs rather than 2.
Last time I checked, music artists don't come prepackaged with a key in their back to switch from "SUCK" to "NOT SUCK".

Which is why they ought to be looking for talented artists and bands rather than playing games with the content of CDs.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-11-19 01:40pm

I'm not going buy a $15.99 CD with two good songs whether it has 30 or 60 minutes of filler. Crap's still crap and I'm not getting any more value for my money. Key phrase: value for my money. That eight track Springsteen CD's got 5-6 good out of eight tracks whereas that Speakerboxx CD problably has 30 or so filler tracks and maybe one or two realy good tracks.

Long CDs aren't the problem at all, I've got some Aerosmith CDs that top out at an hour and half and I listen to every track. I have quite a few others such as the Lord of the Rings soundtracks, Metallica CDs, and a few other bands that are equally long and don't suck. The thing is the tracks aren't just second rate filler.

Why is it that they don't understand the problem is the vast majority of the songs suck, not the simple amount suckage you can pack on a CD?!?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-11-19 02:02pm

To be fair to the artists, coming up with good material can be difficult, especially if they're under pressure to fill a 16 track CD. For you writers, think about how many stories you've started and later abandoned because they weren't any good compared to how many you've finished.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-11-19 02:09pm

It might help if these bands weren't also under pressure to release 1 or more CDs/year, with plenty of touring to go around.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-11-19 02:17pm

First time bands won't have any extras to put on their CD's. All they have is music. Who wants memorabalia from a band you never heard from before? The established bands are fine filling out their CD's with extras, which I believe is the way to go if you want to beat downloading. But a new up and coming band all they have is their music. Best thing they can do is release their CDs for something like 7.99 or 8.99 to compete with the more established bands. For under 10 bucks I might be willing to take a chance with a new band.

Also in terms of lack of good music, to paraphrase James Kirk in the Ultimate Computer: "You just can't wake up one day and say 'Today I will be brilliant'"

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2003-11-19 03:01pm

cutting down the amount of songs on a CD doesn't really do much for the overall quality. that and what someone considers good is so subjective, one person might like five or six tracks on a particular CD, while someone else that's into the same genre of music would find those five or six tracks utterly horrible. it's all about whether or not you feel the band's good. although, cutting down the cost of CDs for new bands might be a decent idea. nobody wants to pay $20.00 for a cd from an unknown name whose music they might or might not like. though $8.00 isn't too bad usually. especially if there's lots of tracks, which might be good.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-11-19 03:04pm

RedImperator wrote:To be fair to the artists, coming up with good material can be difficult, especially if they're under pressure to fill a 16 track CD. For you writers, think about how many stories you've started and later abandoned because they weren't any good compared to how many you've finished.

I know and if they went to shorter CDs filled with better music I'd be pleased. I'm all for anything that improves the quality of music.

But simply making a shorter CD on the same forumla: two or three good songs and the rest filler isn't going to do much. They really haven't figured out quality is what matters not simply quantity.