Who do you think will kill Mace Windu?

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-11-17 11:35pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Sam Jackson said that if he had to pick, then it would definitely be Vader, because Vader is the only one bad ass to do it enough. I never argue with the man with the "Bad Motherfucker" Wallet.

From what I've heard, he also has "BMF" engraved on his lightsabre hilt.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-11-18 08:43am

Mace will slip in the shower and break his neck.

His "pathetic" way to go would nicely underline the decline of the Jedi.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-11-18 10:37am

FTeik wrote:Mace will slip in the shower and break his neck.

His "pathetic" way to go would nicely underline the decline of the Jedi.

Given that Mace Windu fucked up the rescue mission on Geonosis when he was in an unfuckable upperhand position I personally wouldn't mind if a piano fell on him, hopefully before he can fuck up anything else important. People that stupid deserve to die in the most idiotic and pointless way imaginable.

However, seeings as Anikan will turn into a prick and a badass in ep3 I would accept it if he slaughters Mace Windu and cuts him into a thousand pieces, and then gets a droid to gather the pieces, put them on a drone ship and set it to fly into the sun (just for the hell of it).

Yep, I really don't like Mace Windu, bad motherfucker notwithstanding. Sorry ...

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-11-18 02:22pm

The smart money is on Vader, but thats not what I'd like to see. Anakin has little motive in killing Windu. Anakin is rebelling against Obi so his hate or anger would not be transfered on Mace that well.

IMHO, it will take a couple years of training by Palpatine to get Anakin in a proper mind set to hate the Jedi Order and to get Vader primed to slaughter any survivors.

My personal bent is that the Anakin/Obi story arc will be seperate from the final battle in which Mace dies and a good chunk of the Order is killed. While Ani and Obi are slashing and hacking at each other on some world with a conviniant lava pool, Mace will be in a grand and final battle against the Sepertists.

Mace should die by betrayal by the Republic not by betrayal of a Jedi. That fate is for Kenobi, not Mace. Windu represents the Jedi of the Republic age, therefore for a nice tidy wrap up of the story arc, he needs to die by say Stormtroopers or Clone Troopers on orders from Palpatine.

I think that the final Mace battle should be Mace-V-Dooku where Dooku dies and Mace is too tired and wounded to defend against an onslaught of Republic/Imperial troops that came with Dooku. His dying moments are captured on holo camera and used as an example of Jedi attacking Republic troops in an atempted Coup by the Jedi thus giving Palpatine the last bit he needs to proclaim him self Dictate and dismantle the Jedi Order.

Thats what I'd like to see, but I think it's more likely that Anakin will kill Windu.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-11-18 02:27pm

There's thins thing called a payoff in writing. You don't go through the trouble of showing Boab Fett cardling his father's sevred head, (After explicitly showing that he saw who killed his father) and not expect a payoff later on. That payoff of course being avenging his father by having a hand in Windu's death.

So in recognition of what Lucas was writing in that scene I say Boba will have a hand in Mace's death.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-11-18 02:46pm

I hope Bobba will kill Windu, the fight between them would be more interresting then just another lightsaber duel.

BTW does any know what kind of time interval will there be between Ep.2 and Ep.3?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-11-18 02:58pm

Sir Sirius wrote:I hope Bobba will kill Windu, the fight between them would be more interresting then just another lightsaber duel.

BTW does any know what kind of time interval will there be between Ep.2 and Ep.3?

About three-four years. No, I won't enjoy seeing a fight between a fourteen-year-old (however badass he might be trying to be) and a Jedi Master.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-11-18 03:24pm

Perhaps Boba will kill Mace in a Slave 1 -vs- Jedi Fighter head to head. By the time he's 14 i'm sure he'll be able to see over the dashboard.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-11-18 03:36pm

Stravo wrote:There's thins thing called a payoff in writing. You don't go through the trouble of showing Boab Fett cardling his father's sevred head, (After explicitly showing that he saw who killed his father) and not expect a payoff later on. That payoff of course being avenging his father by having a hand in Windu's death.

So in recognition of what Lucas was writing in that scene I say Boba will have a hand in Mace's death.

Boba betrays Windu to Vader.

Vader allows Boba to live, im sure there are reasons why the Emperor or Vader would prefer Fett dead.

Vader and Fett continue business relations, hence ESB. Vader seemed to treat Fett a little better than most people IMHO.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-11-18 03:43pm

Stravo wrote:There's thins thing called a payoff in writing. You don't go through the trouble of showing Boab Fett cardling his father's sevred head, (After explicitly showing that he saw who killed his father) and not expect a payoff later on. That payoff of course being avenging his father by having a hand in Windu's death.

So in recognition of what Lucas was writing in that scene I say Boba will have a hand in Mace's death.

Ah come on, Boba and Jango were just a wink and a nod to the fans for a popular secondary character in the OT. As far as I'm concerned, the Boba/Jango story arc is done.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-18 04:39pm

Boba's payoff isn't avenging his father's death by killing Windu, but by becoming one of the best and most notorious bounty hunters in the Galaxy as an adult.

Seriously, Mace getting cut down by a fucking child is not a good death: it's getting put down like a dog...

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2003-11-18 04:53pm

Knife wrote:Ah come on, Boba and Jango were just a wink and a nod to the fans for a popular secondary character in the OT. As far as I'm concerned, the Boba/Jango story arc is done.

At this point, does anyone really expect Lucas to exercise some restraint and not oversell Boba Fett?

I think Anakin/Vader does the deed. Yoda and Obi-Wan survive. From a narrative, Vader needs to kill a major league Jedi Master to both signify his fall to the dark side and the downfall of the Jedi order.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-18 05:13pm

Run something by me for a second...

When you guys say "Vader," do you mean the full suit Vader or something like an "evil Anakin"?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-11-18 05:18pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Run something by me for a second...

When you guys say "Vader," do you mean the full suit Vader or something like an "evil Anakin"?

I'd assume "Evil Anakin." According to the spoilers, full suit vader only has a few scenes at the end of the movie.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-18 05:19pm

Darth Fanboy wrote: Boba betrays Windu to Vader.

Vader allows Boba to live, im sure there are reasons why the Emperor or Vader would prefer Fett dead.

Vader and Fett continue business relations, hence ESB. Vader seemed to treat Fett a little better than most people IMHO.

That would be entirely acceptable.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-11-18 08:54pm

Darksider wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Run something by me for a second...

When you guys say "Vader," do you mean the full suit Vader or something like an "evil Anakin"?
I'd assume "Evil Anakin." According to the spoilers, full suit vader only has a few scenes at the end of the movie.

I want Full Suit Vader, im hoping these spoilers you speak of are wrong and we get Darth Vader in full glory for a lot of the film. Okay thats optimistic, but at least the last half hour of the film or so.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-11-18 09:03pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Darksider wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Run something by me for a second...

When you guys say "Vader," do you mean the full suit Vader or something like an "evil Anakin"?
I'd assume "Evil Anakin." According to the spoilers, full suit vader only has a few scenes at the end of the movie.
I want Full Suit Vader, im hoping these spoilers you speak of are wrong and we get Darth Vader in full glory for a lot of the film. Okay thats optimistic, but at least the last half hour of the film or so.

A Darth Vader in full glory would be "Evil Anakin" Suited VAder is a lumbering cripple. Padawan Obi Wan from TPM would kick his ass.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-11-18 09:08pm

Stravo wrote:A Darth Vader in full glory would be "Evil Anakin" Suited VAder is a lumbering cripple. Padawan Obi Wan from TPM would kick his ass.

Which is how he managed to hunt down many of the living Jedi Knights, and rivaled Palpatine's power by Return of the Jedi (ref: ROTJ novelisation, IIRC)?

Palpatine had many Dark Side servants. If Anakin's injuries made him so weak, he would not have been worthy of being a Sith.

Furthermore, we know younger-suited Vader was fairly agile, and was able to defeat the Jedi Master Dark Woman, and disputably could have beaten Darth Maul (ref: Star Wars Tales: Vader vs. Maul).

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-11-18 09:29pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Stravo wrote:A Darth Vader in full glory would be "Evil Anakin" Suited VAder is a lumbering cripple. Padawan Obi Wan from TPM would kick his ass.
Which is how he managed to hunt down many of the living Jedi Knights, and rivaled Palpatine's power by Return of the Jedi (ref: ROTJ novelisation, IIRC)?

Palpatine had many Dark Side servants. If Anakin's injuries made him so weak, he would not have been worthy of being a Sith.

Furthermore, we know younger-suited Vader was fairly agile, and was able to defeat the Jedi Master Dark Woman, and disputably could have beaten Darth Maul (ref: Star Wars Tales: Vader vs. Maul).

IP I wouldn't be too sure about him hunting down the living Jedi knights. can you put it past GL having the Jedi die in a massive battle, say explosives in the Jedi Temple where you take out the heart of the Order and all thats left are some feeble padawans and Masters on the run? And aren't there spoilers out there saying that the Clone army turns on the Jedi and kills them, hardly indicative of Vader's ability if the clone army is helping him finish them off or actually does the job for him. I have a feeling that GL will not have Anakin killing all those Jedi. It will be the clone armies with Anakin "sort of" responsible.

GL himself described suited Vader as a cripple. And that Luke was an untrained boy thus the deuling in OT was described by GL as a cripple vs. an untrained boy.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-11-18 09:47pm

Stravo wrote:IP I wouldn't be too sure about him hunting down the living Jedi knights. can you put it past GL having the Jedi die in a massive battle, say explosives in the Jedi Temple where you take out the heart of the Order and all thats left are some feeble padawans and Masters on the run? And aren't there spoilers out there saying that the Clone army turns on the Jedi and kills them, hardly indicative of Vader's ability if the clone army is helping him finish them off or actually does the job for him. I have a feeling that GL will not have Anakin killing all those Jedi. It will be the clone armies with Anakin "sort of" responsible.

*sigh*

Stravo this is why you really shouldn't argue this "I can read GL's mind" bullshit.

GL wrote script and produced a movie called A New Hope.

"Vader helped hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights." And that's AFTER Obi-Wan says Vader destroyed Luke's father, implying that it is Anakin as Vader who does a healthy dose of hunting down. Furthermore, we know there were plenty of stragglers from EU.

YOU CANNOT USE MOVIES THAT HAVEN'T COME OUT YET A DATA IN A DEBATE. THE MOVIE HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED. You especially can't use pure speculation on a movie not yet released to contradict other movie canon.

Stravo wrote:GL himself described suited Vader as a cripple. And that Luke was an untrained boy thus the deuling in OT was described by GL as a cripple vs. an untrained boy.

So what? That isn't in the movie or actually in the Star Wars Saga. He's approved secondary works which say otherwise, and without a direct contradiction in higher canon, you're simply wrong, and that's all there is to it. (Hell, he could've just meant Vader's an untrained boy compared to PT Jedi: True, and Vader's a cripple compared to a Sith at their prime: True, but that certainly doesn't prove your original point or magically make that evil evidence of Vader taking on Jedi Knights and killing them go away, sorry).

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-11-19 03:05am

I've posted this before. Boba Fett needs to take him down. However, I always thought, the idea of Jango in Ep II was so the fans could get thier Fett Fill, and then Lucas made sure this time he couldn't come back.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-11-19 10:41am

Cal Wright wrote:I've posted this before. Boba Fett needs to take him down. However, I always thought, the idea of Jango in Ep II was so the fans could get thier Fett Fill, and then Lucas made sure this time he couldn't come back.

Ugh, if Mace hadn't beheaded Jango, can you imagine the wankery by EU authors about father and "son" teaming up fifty years down the road?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-11-19 06:44pm

Well, the good thing about Jango is that his existence refutes all that "Jaster Mereel" nonsense. Come on, Boba Fett as a "journeyman Protector," whatever that is?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-11-19 06:59pm

How about this, Vader/Anakin is dueling at the enterence of the Jedi Temple at the beginning of the rise against the Jedi. The fight goes back and forth, but well into the 4th Quarter of the fight Mace starts to gain momentium, he knocks Anakin in his ass and has his blade at anakins throat, at the happens up pops Boba with a heavy blaster rifle and he then shoots Mace in the back, vapourising him, and giving the reason Vader orders "NO DISINTIGRATIONS!" order in ESB. What ya think?

The Prime Necromancer · Post by **The Prime Necromancer** » 2003-11-19 07:02pm

Stravo wrote:GL himself described suited Vader as a cripple. And that Luke was an untrained boy thus the deuling in OT was described by GL as a cripple vs. an untrained boy.

And it's primarily to disprove *that* that I would like to see Vader (not Anakin) take down Mace. Unfortunately, it probably won't happen.

GL wrote script and produced a movie called A New Hope.

"Vader helped hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights." And that's AFTER Obi-Wan says Vader destroyed Luke's father, implying that it is Anakin as Vader who does a healthy dose of hunting down. Furthermore, we know there were plenty of stragglers from EU.

Of course, we all know just how faithful Lucas has been regarding comments like that from the OT...