Delta Flyer vs X-Wing

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-18 09:52am

The Delta Flyer has Tom Paris while the X-Wing is piloted by an average Rebel pilot.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2003-11-18 10:39am

Tom Paris is a good pilot, but the kind of accuracy we've seen on Delta Flyers isn't top notch...they may be able to hit a capital ship with torpedoes, but not a fighter, unless they do proximity. And with the low megaton grade power in a photon torpedo, its not gonna do much damage to an X-wing unless it gets a direct impact. The DF's phasers will do even less damage than the X-wings lasers.

All the X-wing has to do is fire a single proton torpedo (or just hold down the quad laser firing button for a few seconds) and whammo.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-18 10:49am

The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged. That could cause some problems for the X-Wing

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-11-18 10:58am

evilcat4000 wrote:The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged. That could cause some problems for the X-Wing

How many times have we heard "evasive maneuvers" being ordered in Star Trek? More times then "we shouldn't bother with evasive maneuvers, their computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons can not be dodged"?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-18 11:36am

evilcat4000 wrote:The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged. That could cause some problems for the X-Wing

Star Trek computer-controlled phaser weapons =/ perfect accuracy.

X-wing wins easily and obviously.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-11-18 12:05pm

evilcat4000 wrote:The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged. That could cause some problems for the X-Wing

Oh, so that's why nobody's ever been able to jump out of the way of a phaser rifle's beam.

Oh, wait a minute...

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2003-11-18 12:26pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged. That could cause some problems for the X-Wing
How many times have we heard "evasive maneuvers" being ordered in Star Trek?

Torpedoes do not travel as fast as phaser beams. You're assuming evasive manuevers is to avoid phasers as opposed to the more powerful, but slower torpedo counterparts.

More times then "we shouldn't bother with evasive maneuvers, their computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons can not be dodged"?

Starship mounted Federation phaser banks have a very high degree of accuracy. Can you provide an example of a Federation starship mounted phaser beam that has missed it's target?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2003-11-18 12:32pm

Kuja wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged. That could cause some problems for the X-Wing
Oh, so that's why nobody's ever been able to jump out of the way of a phaser rifle's beam.

Oh, wait a minute...

Since the scenario is of spacecraft phaser weaponry, your example is useless.

If examples exist of a soldier missing multiple targets with small arms fire, and dodging counter fire, are we then to assume computer targetted tank shells also suffer similar accuracy problems?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-11-18 01:06pm

Yeah that's why no Ferengi has ever ducked under a phaser beam shot by Worf.

The Dude · Post by **The Dude** » 2003-11-18 01:11pm

evilcat4000 wrote:The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged.

When have phasers ever been observed to be lightspeed? The bulk of the visual evidence would indicate that they are distinctly sublight.

Aside from that, given that ST photorps are kiloton-level, capship-scale phasers are even weaker, shuttle-scale phasers must be weaker still, and SW fighters have kiloton-range shields, is there any reason to believe that the DF's phasers can even hurt the X-Wing?

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-11-18 01:22pm

Robert Walper wrote:Torpedoes do not travel as fast as phaser beams. You're assuming evasive manuevers is to avoid phasers as opposed to the more powerful, but slower torpedo counterparts.

DS9:"Defiant" shows the Defiant taking evasive maneuvers to dodge fire from a Cardassian ship, the ship was firing phasers.

Robert Walper wrote:Starship mounted Federation phaser banks have a very high degree of accuracy. Can you provide an example of a Federation starship mounted phaser beam that has missed it's target?

Yes, DS9:"Jem'hadar" shows one of the runabout's firing and missing a Jemmie bug with a phaser beam, at point blank range, just before it rams the Odyssey.

However a more relevant question is; Can you provide a single example of a Starfleet vessel hitting a target the size of an X-wing capable of accelerating at several thousand Gs?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-11-18 01:26pm

Newsflash: http://h4h.com/louis/holo/trekmiss.avi

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2003-11-18 02:04pm

For those talking about phaser accuracy, remember: phasers can only hit what sensors can see and target. All SW combat craft, including fighters, are equipped with some kind of electronic warfare equipment. An X-wing's jamming system will reduce phaser accuracy.

As for an X-wing's firepower... the lasers are likely in the low kiloton range, based on stats of Old Republic fighters from ICS2. Proton torpedoes are variable yield, so they could be anywhere on the chart. I'd guess that high-yield torps are less maneuverable than the low-yield ones.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-18 05:14pm

An X-wing with torpedos should be able to take this, while one without probably (but not definately) loses.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-11-18 05:29pm

If the crew of the Delta Flyer didn't get a technobabble solution in time, they are screwed....

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-11-18 05:36pm

I can give occasions when Phasers haven't been able to get a Lock... (Dragon's Teeth).

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2003-11-18 05:40pm

SirNitram wrote:I can give occasions when Phasers haven't been able to get a Lock... (Dragon's Teeth).

They had to switch to manual targetting in order to score hits with the phasers there, correct? I doubt Paris would be able to manually target and hit a jinking X-wing and still be able to pilot the ship.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-11-18 05:41pm

Mad wrote:
SirNitram wrote:I can give occasions when Phasers haven't been able to get a Lock... (Dragon's Teeth).
They had to switch to manual targetting in order to score hits with the phasers there, correct? I doubt Paris would be able to manually target and hit a jinking X-wing and still be able to pilot the ship.

They had to chase the thing into the atmosphere for it to slow enough to be hit. That speaks volumes against the perfect targetting.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-11-18 07:37pm

evilcat4000 wrote:The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged. That could cause some problems for the X-Wing

Are you some kind of moron?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-11-18 08:41pm

Crayz9000 wrote:Newsflash: http://h4h.com/louis/holo/trekmiss.avi

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-18 08:58pm

Standard torps are MT level. But I'm not so sure about the mini things that the DF carries. Depending on their yield proximity might do it.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-11-18 10:34pm

evilcat4000 wrote:The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged. That could cause some problems for the X-Wing

Well, guess what, people can't dodge bullets either. That's why instead they try not to be successfully aimed at.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-18 10:39pm

Durandal wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:The Delta Flyer has computer controlled lightspeed beam weapons. They can not be dodged. That could cause some problems for the X-Wing
Are you some kind of moron?

I've been wondering that myself about him for some time now.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-18 10:53pm

I thought the DF fired pulses anyway?

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2003-11-18 10:55pm

Wait a minute. Have we ever even heard of those wingtip lasers firing off-axis? And X-wings don't exactly turn on a dime.

Delta Flyer, assuming it even sticks around. Although it bears mentioning that I don't think the DF is designed for a single person to pilot and operate the weapons. You might need Tuvok on the phasers to even make it a fight.

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