Preparing for the stupidity of Nemesis.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-05 12:08am

Yes I hear those exact words from my Trekkie friend all the time. I dunno, four is really a family friendly movie and eight is like some cheesey B-movie with Trek. Lots of yelling and silly charing down dark corridors with vacuums er.. phasers in hand. Six is prety good, though still not really that memorable I guess.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-05 12:14am

VF5SS wrote:Yes I hear those exact words from my Trekkie friend all the time. I dunno, four is really a family friendly movie and eight is like some cheesey B-movie with Trek. Lots of yelling and silly charing down dark corridors with vacuums er.. phasers in hand. Six is prety good, though still not really that memorable I guess.

So you admit to not liking Trek. In other words you are looking at it from a biass. You would rather have Trek killed off because you don't like it and deny it to others rather then just not watch it. Thats selfish pure and simple. That would be like some bum on the street having the LOTR movies killed cause he didn't like them.

Face it, the Trek movies do reasonably well, and the even numbered ones are the best movies of the bunch.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-05 12:19am

Alyeska wrote:So you admit to not liking Trek. In other words you are looking at it from a biass. You would rather have Trek killed off because you don't like it and deny it to others rather then just not watch it. Thats selfish pure and simple. That would be like some bum on the street having the LOTR movies killed cause he didn't like them.

Ease down, Alyeska. He's not trying to start some kind of "kill Trek" campaign, for chrissakes. He's just saying that he doesn't like it, that it will probably die if it can't staunch the bleeding of shitty-quality writing, and that he for one won't miss it. Big deal.

Face it, the Trek movies do reasonably well, and the even numbered ones are the best movies of the bunch.

The even-numbered ones range from OK to great. However, the worst of the odd-numbered ones were simply intolerable. Need I mention the "row, row, row your boat" scene in ST5?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-05 12:25am

I do not and will never defend ST:5 other then 2 things. Jerry Goldsmith did the improved theme in it and combined it with March of the Klingons. The second thing is Scotty was the only good character in the entire movie.

Ok, there were two other cool things. Those shuttles were rather well made and I liked the Assault Phasers they introduced in this movie.

Other then that the majority of the characters were protrayed terribly, the scenes sucked ass, and the plot was pathetic.

And I actually saw the movie in the theaters, though I didn't pay for the ticket.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-10-05 12:31am

Am I crazy when I say I actually LIKED the "row row your boat" scene. particularly Spock's "But life is NOT a dream."

It summed up these characters who had been friends for decades and how they acted together when out of uniform and away from the confines of the ship.

Then again I just could be crazy....

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-10-05 12:40am

Stravo wrote:Am I crazy when I say I actually LIKED the "row row your boat" scene. particularly Spock's "But life is NOT a dream."

It summed up these characters who had been friends for decades and how they acted together when out of uniform and away from the confines of the ship.

Then again I just could be crazy....

So YOU were the only guy in the theatre who was smiling while the rest of us were vomiting in our popcorn bags?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-10-05 12:42am

Actually I agree with Stravo...that was one of the good points...though the rest of the film(except "What does God need with a starship?"...I crack up at the line)is rather blech

For the most part ST2, and 6 were really my only decent ones with ST2 being the best. The Next Gen stuff has been rather mediocre to piss-poor and Nemesis is not really promising even ST6, let alone Khan.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-10-05 12:42am

Darth Wong wrote:
Stravo wrote:Am I crazy when I say I actually LIKED the "row row your boat" scene. particularly Spock's "But life is NOT a dream."

It summed up these characters who had been friends for decades and how they acted together when out of uniform and away from the confines of the ship.

Then again I just could be crazy....
So YOU were the only guy in the theatre who was smiling while the rest of us were vomiting in our popcorn bags?

Guilty as charged...HOWEVER I will have you know that I was carted out of the movie half way through suffering from Shityymovieitis...God was ST:V BAD...MST3000 BAD.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-10-05 01:02am

HEY! I went to see ST 5 with my Dad. That fat fucker rarely goes to the movies. Not only that but we went to see Generations as well. Nothing beats the look on his face when Data goes 'Oh shit!'. Yeah. So no more bad talking about 5, it had, well, I think merit, but it was definitely not St4.

Anyways, no one needs to start a 'Kill Star Trek' campaign. Nemesis has that one taken care of.

I'm too busy trying to get Farscape off the air anyways.

Okay, okay. The 'row row row your boat' come on, that was actually a great part. It's things like that, which make you look at this futuristic Earth and still be able to kind of reach out to it. Good friends out in the wilderness camping. Whatever. We all know Wrath of Kahn established two things. First, Revenge of the Jedi became the best title for a movie ever Return of the Jedi. The implications are beyond what they could be. Second, Trek can kick all types of ass and give movie goers 44 semi hell for a $5 price.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » 2002-10-05 01:48am

LoTR is a pile of crap.

and I will not be seeing Nemisis until it comes out on video/DVD. I can't afford to spent $16 and see it at the movies.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-10-05 02:06am

Alyeska wrote:You don't like it, don't watch it. Don't spew this bullshit about how you want other people who like it not to see it anymore. Your not being forced to watch it.

Now, now. All I'm saying is that this thing is going to bomb and I won't miss it.
TNG was good. The Dominion war portion of DS9 was good. But everything else that Bozo and Binhead have turned out since has been so utterly aweful that I won't be shedding any tears when the franchise is finally put out of its misery.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2002-10-05 02:21am

Too bad that Damn Sniper thats running around DC snuffing lives out of housewives and cab-drivers can't drive to Paramount and snipe off Richard I ain't a TV Producer but a businessman Berman and Brannon I-can't-write-for-shit Braggin er....Braga. Man i really pay him a good sum for that. Maybe we could give Star Trek a rest for a decade and come back with a new agenda.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2002-10-05 02:25am

And don't take that last one literally and have the feds draggin my underwear clad ass out of bed,...Its just sarcasm OK. I have no ill will (Beside the piss i feel because they killed Roddenberry and draged trek down)

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2002-10-05 02:35am

My Star Trek Ranking Order

1. ST:II- Very Tactical, basically took "Balance of terror" to the big screen, Khan is a bad ass enemy of Kirk. Cool Ship battle scenes, they kill Spock.
2. ST:VI- Cool Battle, good politics going on, shows growth and continuity with the next gen. Great way to end the Original Crew
3. ST:I-Long and dry, but still had a decent story, and some intresting concepts.
4. ST:IV-Fun, semi intresting, does this mean whales are genetically engineered spies. At least it had an original story.
5. ST:III-Nice continuation of 2, but some of the plot rubs thin. A few cool concepts, They destroy the Enterprise, that takes balls (the first time).
6. ST:V-Well uhm...Spock has a brother.....ah The new shield read out on the E-A was neat.

The Next Gen: All garabage thus far. The least was was First contact, but they put the giant space battle at the begining of the freakin movie. After that my expectations were higher, which the rest of the movie was a let down. Generations Sucked, most likely the worst of the treks, and not to far behind is that other one I can not think of the name of, the one with the planet of youth, what ever.

Nemesis- previews look good, but so did first contact. I am setting myself up for disappointment, hopefully I will be surprised.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-10-05 03:07am

The last Trek movie I saw was ST VI, and I haven't watched Trek since post Dominion DS9 (Actually I stopped watching in Senior year of HS.. about 6 years ago.. and watched occasional eps that actually showed combat scenes.. I was more into B5 at the time anyhow, as I recall.)

Nowadays I've gotten tired of trek entirely. I used to like TOS and TNG, but I dont ocnsider it worth my time rewatching. Same goes for the movies. My GF hates Trek anyhow

I dont mean to flame trek, but the one thing that REALLY bugged me was how they've contracted people in the movies til they were almost in teh grave. Kirk and Spock and such should have ended at Star Trek IV (you sort of had to follow through from three, after all.)... 5 and 6 should have been TNG-era.

I also think they should have started WAY earlier for the TNG movies if they were going to use them. IMO the TNG crowd is starting to go that same route. If they were going to keep making movies like this, at least they hsould have used the "newer" DS9 or even Voyager crowd.

Honestly no offense to trek fans, but I don't consider near-geriatric Kirk or Picard to be quite the same as in the TV show.. and it really ruins the movies. I would feel the same way if Lucas tried making post-ROTJ movies using Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, or Harrison Ford. It doesn't carry the same effect.

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-10-05 03:26am

anarchistbunny wrote:Much.

Hey ever had a movie theatre to yourself or just you and a group of friends before?

For the first 5 minutes of Me, Myself, and Irene me and a friend did, it was pretty cool, til some bastards walked in as we where running and cart wheeling about.

I've had movies to myself on two occasions, first one was for the LotR on my 4th time viewing. Second was "The Others" that was creepy. Big screen, surround sound and NO other noise enhances spookiness.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-05 11:13am

Actually Nemesis is supossed to be the last TNG movie. That and there are no plans for DS9 or VGR movies.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-05 12:23pm

Akira wrote:LoTR is a pile of crap.

and I will not be seeing Nemisis until it comes out on video/DVD. I can't afford to spent $16 and see it at the movies.

Oh really, an what brought you to that conclusion? You obviousally have never read any of the books

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-05 12:26pm

Hey, calm down there, Al. I know there will be thousands of Trekkies coming to see it. I know B n' B are idiots but they must be doing something right if they've gone on this far. Namely, appeal to the average Trekkie.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-10-05 12:36pm

Isolder74 wrote:Oh really, an what brought you to that conclusion? You obviousally have never read any of the books

Actually, I may have to agree with him on that one. THe books rule, but the movie was just bleh. They kept in stupid stuff that should have been cut (IEthe door riddle) and cutr important things like the character development between G & L or the reforging of the sword. The SFX were nothing spectacular and had all been done before in other films, and at times the overlap between the sound and SFX made it so I couldn't here the dialogue.

I didn't care for it and will not be going to see TT in the theatres. And unless it is really good there is no way in hell I'm gonna spend 4 hours in there for Return of the King.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-05 12:45pm

Ender wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:Oh really, an what brought you to that conclusion? You obviousally have never read any of the books
Actually, I may have to agree with him on that one. THe books rule, but the movie was just bleh. They kept in stupid stuff that should have been cut (IEthe door riddle) and cutr important things like the character development between G & L or the reforging of the sword. The SFX were nothing spectacular and had all been done before in other films, and at times the overlap between the sound and SFX made it so I couldn't here the dialogue.

I didn't care for it and will not be going to see TT in the theatres. And unless it is really good there is no way in hell I'm gonna spend 4 hours in there for Return of the King.

Do you realize how hard it is to turn those books into movies? They in myt opinion have done a very good job I agree that it could have been done better.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-05 11:12pm

Hey wow, I just saw Trek 2 for the first time. Interestin' film there. Cerntainly pretty well done, thouhg some parts were somewhat useless padding but its still pretty good. Definately made the two TNG films I saw look like utter shit. The phasers were firing pulses which I thought was a bit strange. Also the hand phasers looked like friggen electric razors on a stick. Yeesh.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-05 11:15pm

One more thing. I could listen to Kahn without thinking, "Welcome to fantasy island!"

De plane de plane...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-05 11:54pm

The best ST, ever, was Wrath of Khan.

'nuff said.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-10-05 11:55pm

Alyeska wrote:Actually Nemesis is supossed to be the last TNG movie. That and there are no plans for DS9 or VGR movies.

Shit No!. You aren't hinting at an Enterprise movie are you?