New Battle Droids?

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Axis Kast wrote: Jedi control their lightsabers to some extent by letting the Force flow through them, and Luke Skywalker is a good example.
So? This is different than actually utilizing it in a more physical manner like we've seen, which tend to be rarer. Yet we know they can do it.
Yet we’ve seen him use what you refer to as minor or mild Force pushes even during major lightsaber battles where the Force is in play regardless.
So? We see them running down the halls at automobile speeds in TPM, we see Anakin decelerate from terminal velocity to catch Zam Wessell's speeder in a fraction of a second, and we see Yoda lifting and manipulating objects that must mass tens or hundreds of tons at a minimum, and this is just pure canon. Luke does not use force pushes in every battle - he doesn't throw objects, he doesn't even reflect blaster bolts - but we have evidence that he can do so.
The ‘droid brain is actually irrelevant to this argument so long as you concede that Security ‘droids are a different type of automaton as compared to standard Battle ‘Droids.
Wow, changing your mind again, I didn't expect that. :roll: You do realize you have not presented a scrap of evidence that has not bene refuted that supports yhour argument, right? I on the other hand have rather well established that your argument is in fact shit.

Case in point, we did not observe the droids operating the heavy rifles and rocket launchers possessing noticable markings indicating "specialized" functions. We know from canon and official sources that specialized battle droids are denoted by specific colorations (much like Clonetroopers are.) If your argument were true, they would be noticably marked.

Moreoever, we have an example of non-specialized Battle Droids operating complicated devices (IE STAP platforms) without any evidence of special programming. You seriously are arguing that a vehicle is less complex than a rocket launcher or blaster rifle?

(We can further note that assuming that a "specialized" type of droid in this instance is in fact adding an unknown variable which MUST be proven. Thus I can also point otu that Occam's Razor favors my theory over yours, in addition to the other evidence presented.)
Regardless of identical structure “irrespective of job function,” they clearly employ different sub-routines to the point where one is considered to be a different type of ‘droid than the other. Security and infantry duty are similar; we’ve in fact seen infantry act in the role of guards, as you have already proven. But why is this? As I’ve suggested, it may be because red-pauldroned Security ‘droids have different levels of fire discipline in order to conserve damage to starship bulkheads. This suggests that ‘droids with heavy weapons might have similarly divergent sub-routines from standard infantry ‘droids.
But we observe no specialized markings indicating these are anything but bog-standard droids, and we KNOW standard droids can operate complex vehicles.. You have no proof to back your claims. I have proof and logic backing mine as well as Occam's Razor. You lose.

Yes, standard Battle ‘Droids can operate STAPS – but cannot, as we have seen, perform security duties to the desired specification without different sub-routines.
Security personnel do not have the same tasks or training as soldiers, dumbass. Two completely different roles. Same with officers and pilots. Heavy weapons operators could still qualify as infantry, however.

You're still ignoring the lack of markings that suggest these are in fact specialized troopers, something which oyu must prove but have yet to do.
Individual ‘droids can be observed without a clear commander; this is most evident with the missile launching sequence.
Does it occur to you that the droids are still being centrally controlled, commander or not? Thats the whole point of having a DROID CONTROL SHIP dumbass - thats where their orders come from! That's not indications of autonomy. Yet another extraordinary claim you have yet to prove.

The U.S. Army also employs self-guided surface-to-air missiles. Would you describe them as being easier to handle than a rifle?
Vympel addressed this, presumably being more knowledgable in military hardware than I am. I note you haven't really provided evidence to back up this claim, incidentally.
Firing the sniper rifles caused the ‘droids to shudder.
Since when does a sniper rifle fire on fully automatic, shithead?

Yet we’ve seen them walking quite slowly. I can also observe C-3PO at a walk, and from that much determine that he is probably a poor sprinter.
Oh yes, because your subjective impressions are certainly reliable enough to base conclusions off of, and the fact they might be capable of varying their paces (ie: different rates of running or walking.)
is completely impossible. :roll:

They are of larger bulk. Being able to handle them one-handed is irrespective to their being more difficult for humans to fire.
ROFL. So NOW the weight of a weapon has no bearing on one's ability to handle it? You claimed earlier that droid rifles were harder to handle BECAUSE THEY BULKED MORE!
Axis Kast wrote: Also – human ability to fire the blaster is retarded by its significant weight as compared to other blasters.
Nice job of showing your dishonesty, fuckwit.

Further, by this idiotic logic you employ, Clonetrooper rifles should be even MORE difficult for humans to handle, because they're visually LARGER. :roll:

But they don’t have the SAME hands.
Which makes no difference to handling them whatsoever. Padme has no trouble gripping it and using it one handed. Yet another unsubstantiated piece of bullshit you try to pass off as fact.

But not if the mechanism itself suffers damage? :roll: Prove it.
I already proved it, you dishonest dipshit.
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I have a feeling that the kind of crap Axis is pulling now is par for debates he is involved in.

Lets make this simple for. Axis Kast, Provide evidence that *proves* that the rocket launching droids and/or scoped-rifle wielding droid were specialized variants like the Command or Security droids. Otherwise shut the fuck up and concede, you lying little piece of shit.

I'm tired of humoring your nitpicking and bullshitting. So either put up or shut up.
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Axis Kast wrote:And yet the 'droid tracked the ARC assault ship.

And he took his time before firing.
And what does that have to do with it? Of course it's going to track and take its time to fire, that's what's required when you're firing a MANPADS- the seeker needs time to acquire what you want it to go after. This doesn't indicate any evidence of a new type of Battle Droid- missile launchers do not have particularly huge amounts of recoil compared to small arms.

Incidentally (i.e. just a comment) the time the droid took, was extremely short compared to modern MANPADS target 'lock' times, indicating far superior target acquisition in the missile's seeker head.
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