Tie Defenders vs a borg tactical cube

[Alyrium Denryle]

Wel because I have never really posted here...

A squadron Tie defenders have hyperspaced into borg space while scouting the area. They have encountered a borg tactical cube ansd decide to attack it. The BATTLE BEGINS AT 100,000 km who wins.

[Mr Bean]

The Defenders are carrying missles Right? A full 24 Shot Barrage should clean out most of one side(100-10,000 Megatons)

So a full Strifing run(24 Missles two from each followed up by a second barrage) if all hit the same side should put the Cube Down handly

If its cap-ship killers just toss one and watch the fireworks

[Oddity]

Come on, let's give Trek a little credit here!

I don't think the Defenders can win unless they are commanded by Thrawn and the Borg assimilate art.

[Isolder74]

fully armed this should be a cakewalk for the defenders. AKA heavy rockets, fully charged blasters and Ion cannons the cube shouldn't even survive the first barrage

[Mr Bean]

Borg shields is rated at less than Ten-Gigatons

Defenders can mount missles with over ten Gigatons of firepower(Though Only one each, they are bigger than normal)

[NecronLord]

ten gig? where?

[Alyeska]

Borg ship has the disadvantage of being large enough to be an easy target to fire missiles at with ease.

[Mr Bean]

Cap ship missles Necron, Normaly useless aginst the avarage Craft WEG mentions them as the perfect weapon for taking on Frigit sized crafts and smaller

[Kuja]

The TIEs will kick ass. Defenders rule.

[HemlockGrey]

The Borg cube is a metallic square.

A Tie Defender is a spinning claw of mutlimegaton death.

You decide.

[Alyeska]

The Borg cube is a metallic square.

A Tie Defender is a spinning claw of mutlimegaton death.

You decide.

And a Borg Cube can slice and dice through 40 Federation ships in just 10 minutes, that is something the Tie-Defender can't do.

But this is a Tactical Cube, and they have not shown as great of capabilities.

[NecronLord]

Cap ship missles Necron, Normaly useless aginst the avarage Craft WEG mentions them as the perfect weapon for taking on Frigit sized crafts and smaller

My mistake, I thought you said borg sheilds rated at ten gig

[NecronLord]

The Borg cube is a metallic square.

A Tie Defender is a spinning claw of mutlimegaton death.

You decide.

And a Borg Cube can slice and dice through 40 Federation ships in just 10 minutes, that is something the Tie-Defender can't do.

But this is a Tactical Cube, and they have not shown as great of capabilities.

I'd say it probably can.

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at once per two second thats below 10 min.

[seanrobertson]

Wel because I have never really posted here...

A squadron Tie defenders have hyperspaced into borg space while scouting the area. They have encountered a borg tactical cube ansd decide to attack it. The BATTLE BEGINS AT 100,000 km who wins.

The Borg. I've never known TIEs of any model with weapon ranges of
100,000 km, but photon torpedos (or whatever their Borg equivalent is)
have that kind of range. A spread of three-six torpedos in close proximity should blow all the fighters right outta the saddle.

If the TIEs can somehow close the distance at breakneck pace and *do* carry large missiles, they have a very good chance of winning. Cubes don't do well at all when firing on small targets buzzing around them.

[Mr Bean]

And a Borg Cube can slice and dice through 40 Federation ships in just 10 minutes, that is something the Tie-Defender can't do.

Lets see, Defenders.. they can nearly over .8C, thier missles do .95 C According to NJO

And of thier heavy torps which they can mount four on each ship they can kill any Feddy ship inculding an Akira(over a gigaton of damage can kill ANY fedderation ship and two heavy missles rates in at 600 Megatons of Focused Descruction each)

So umm 12 Defenders 4 Missles Each, thats One Capship per 2 shots, Assuming only 50% hit thats still 12 Dead in under a minute, giving them nine minutes to shoot the others down with strifing runs from the Defenders which have nearly as much shielding as Soverigns

[Mr Bean]

The Borg. I've never known TIEs of any model with weapon ranges of
100,000 km, but photon torpedos (or whatever their Borg equivalent is)
have that kind of range. A spread of three-six torpedos in close proximity should blow all the fighters right outta the saddle.

Using mid ranged figured IMO, Defenders have better shielding that some Feddy Cap ships

[Isolder74]

And Photon Torpedo's accuracy is terrible

[seanrobertson]

I'd say it probably can.

blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast

at once per two second thats below 10 min.

? Are you saying one TIE can slaughter 40 Federation starships?
What are they going to do, lower their shields and light big neon
signs around their warp core ejection hatches for the TIE to fire on?

Even if the TIE had gigaton-level missiles, it'd be squashed flat in short
order. But then, how it could evade all those phasers and photorps for ten minutes is beyond me

[Isolder74]

I'd say it probably can.

blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast

at once per two second thats below 10 min.

? Are you saying one TIE can slaughter 40 Federation starships?
What are they going to do, lower their shields and light big neon
signs around their warp core ejection hatches for the TIE to fire on?

Even if the TIE had gigaton-level missiles, it'd be squashed flat in short
order. But then, how it could evade all those phasers and photorps for ten minutes is beyond me

no we're say 12 can

[NecronLord]

I'd say it probably can.

blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast

at once per two second thats below 10 min.

? Are you saying one TIE can slaughter 40 Federation starships?
What are they going to do, lower their shields and light big neon
signs around their warp core ejection hatches for the TIE to fire on?

Even if the TIE had gigaton-level missiles, it'd be squashed flat in short
order. But then, how it could evade all those phasers and photorps for ten minutes is beyond me

Using something other that totally low end calcs, one tie could do it. it just needs to attack them near some inexplicable sensor jamming mineral

[seanrobertson]

Using mid ranged figured IMO, Defenders have better shielding that some Feddy Cap ships

I doubt it. Y-Wings also supposedly have very strong shields, yet Vader and his two wingmen were able to shoot them down with a few direct hits.
Even the smallest Federation capital ships could withstand that.

And Isolder, you're not hearin' me: I said "in close proximity." I also
think to say that photorps are simply terribly inaccurate is a bit hasty.
There are certainly instances in which they've missed badly, but then
again, I can think of times in which the standard TIE attacked its
target (Millenium Falcon) at a relative speed of perhaps 100m/s.
Should we therefore conclude that TIEs' attack speed is always so
limited? No, of course not.

[HemlockGrey]

I think the Y-Wings were also heavily battle-damaged, bottom-of-the-line.

[NecronLord]

Using mid ranged figured IMO, Defenders have better shielding that some Feddy Cap ships

I doubt it. Y-Wings also supposedly have very strong shields, yet Vader and his two wingmen were able to shoot them down with a few direct hits.
Even the smallest Federation capital ships could withstand that.

And Isolder, you're not hearin' me: I said "in close proximity." I also
think to say that photorps are simply terribly inaccurate is a bit hasty.
There are certainly instances in which they've missed badly, but then
again, I can think of times in which the standard TIE attacked its
target (Millenium Falcon) at a relative speed of perhaps 100m/s.
Should we therefore conclude that TIEs' attack speed is always so
limited? No, of course not.

What?

Lions are feebe because Tigers can kill them?

[seanrobertson]

Using something other that totally low end calcs, one tie could do it. it just needs to attack them near some inexplicable sensor jamming mineral

Perhaps (they'd still need to drop their shields unless we're talking about
a TIE carrying a *lot* of missiles, which a ~7m long craft ain't gonna
be able to do), but why would this happen? That's like saying my baseball-bat wielding grandmother could whip Mike Tyson if he was momentarily
blinded. Or that an Oberth could kill an ISD if the latter lowered
her shields, allowed the Oberth to dock inside her and trigger
a warp core breach, etc.


Alyeska's text
And a Borg Cube can slice and dice through 40 Federation ships in just 10 minutes, that is something the Tie-Defender can't do.

But this is a Tactical Cube, and they have not shown as great of capabilities.
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Isolder74's text
I'd say it probably can.

blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast blast

at once per two second thats below 10 min.


That's *it*, singular Alyeska said "the TIE Defender," also seemingly
singular.

A dozen of them at Wolf 359...hmm. They might have a chance, though
I'm dubious about where they're getting 600 megaton missiles. Have these missiles ever been used in the EU? The diagram I just pulled up
of the TIE-D shows dual missile launchers, sure enough, but they
actually look more like laser cannons. For a missile launcher, they're
extremely small...about the size of the pilot's foot, as a rough guess.
We all know Wars has been able to miniaturize extremely powerful
weaponry, evident even on something as massive as an ISD, but I
recall no instance of something less than half a foot's *width* putting
out that kind of energy.

[Alyrium Denryle]

there is also the quote "reroute all pwer to FRONT deflector screens, reroute all power to FRONT deflector screens" They did that because of the TURBOLASERS that where firing at them from that direction. Hell I would rather be hit by a blaster bolt to the engines and have a chane at survival than having a turbolaser cut through my shiields like butter and vaporize my cockpit. At least with the shields all forward they would have a chance if a TL got a glancing hit.

They may have stabilized thier rear deflectors but that doesnt mean the rerouted power to them. Simply put enough power into them to stop indirect blaster hits from destroying thier ships.