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Czech warns Europe of 'dream world' woes

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Czech President Vaclav Klaus said Europeans are living in a "dream world" of welfare and long vacations and have yet to realize "they are not moving toward some sort of nirvana."
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EU auditors could vouch for only 10 percent of the $120 billion the bloc spent in 2002. It was the ninth successive year the auditors were unable to certify the budget as a whole.
Europeans have not yet faced up to such "serious underlying issues," Mr. Klaus said, because "they are still in the dream world of welfare, long vacations, guaranteed high pensions and cradle-to-grave social security."
:shock: 10% of $120 billion.. and 9 straight years..

Tough to grow a economy with those numbers....

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*Yawn*

Fuck him too.

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The Czech president remains convinced that "you cannot have democratic accountability in anything bigger than a nation state."
That settles it. According to some moron, the US is a evil dictatorship.
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where did that other $108 Billion go? They lost it? Is it buried under a farmhouse in Bavaria? Dis they piss it away at a craps table in Monaco?How can you completely lose track of 90% of your budget?
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Col. Crackpot wrote:where did that other $108 Billion go? They lost it? Is it buried under a farmhouse in Bavaria? Dis they piss it away at a craps table in Monaco?How can you completely lose track of 90% of your budget?
The EU budget has two fundamental flaws.

First, the EU's €100 billion annual budget does not reflect the true costs of EU policies. National administrations are the ones who bear the costs of implementing and enforcing EU law, and many firms and farmers are responsible to the national governmnents, while they still receive E.U support

Second, the EU budget is not spent well. The basic principle behind the budget is redistribution: the transfer of funds from wealthier European countries to the less well-off member-states. That in itself makes the money harder to control than it would be if it was used for, say, buying military equipment. Adding to that, the way the money is distributed is peculiar. Rather than simply transferring money from rich countries to poorer ones, the EU channels it through the CAP and the structural and cohesion funds.

This situation makes any auditing nearly impossible (the known 10% can correspond to the money which is used in federal issues, which is easily trackable). The situation is impossible to maintain, must change and is going to change. Bitching about it is like beating a dead horse. Everybody aknowledges the problem and the coming economical/political reform goal is to put an end to it.
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Colonel Olrik wrote:*Yawn*

Fuck him too.

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The Czech president remains convinced that "you cannot have democratic accountability in anything bigger than a nation state."
That settles it. According to some moron, the US is a evil dictatorship.

??? The US IS a nation state. Or do I misapprehend?
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:
The Czech president remains convinced that "you cannot have democratic accountability in anything bigger than a nation state."
That settles it. According to some moron, the US is a evil dictatorship.

??? The US IS a nation state. Or do I misapprehend?
If I follow the Czech president meaning correctly, a nation state to him must be about the size of his little country. If not, there's no reason why a United Federation of Europe cannot have the same democratic accountabilitly than the states.
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Klaus is just miffed that his little country has not yet reached that level of "dream world"...
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Colonel Olrik wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:where did that other $108 Billion go? They lost it? Is it buried under a farmhouse in Bavaria? Dis they piss it away at a craps table in Monaco?How can you completely lose track of 90% of your budget?
The EU budget has two fundamental flaws.

First, the EU's €100 billion annual budget does not reflect the true costs of EU policies. National administrations are the ones who bear the costs of implementing and enforcing EU law, and many firms and farmers are responsible to the national governmnents, while they still receive E.U support

Second, the EU budget is not spent well. The basic principle behind the budget is redistribution: the transfer of funds from wealthier European countries to the less well-off member-states. That in itself makes the money harder to control than it would be if it was used for, say, buying military equipment. Adding to that, the way the money is distributed is peculiar. Rather than simply transferring money from rich countries to poorer ones, the EU channels it through the CAP and the structural and cohesion funds.

This situation makes any auditing nearly impossible (the known 10% can correspond to the money which is used in federal issues, which is easily trackable). The situation is impossible to maintain, must change and is going to change. Bitching about it is like beating a dead horse. Everybody aknowledges the problem and the coming economical/political reform goal is to put an end to it.
but that opens the governmet up for corruption of Catholic Church proportions!!! If you feel it is acceptable that a government cannot account for 90% of what it was given, then you deserve the beaurocratic ass-rape you are going to get.
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Colonel Olrik wrote: That settles it. According to some moron, the US is a evil dictatorship.
Hey, so the US is not a nation-state? We're really a bunch of evil tribes
with the Name "Maryland" "Texas" , etc
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MKSheppard wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote: That settles it. According to some moron, the US is a evil dictatorship.
Hey, so the US is not a nation-state? We're really a bunch of evil tribes
with the Name "Maryland" "Texas" , etc
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Actually, sometimes I wonder if we ( my State ) is too big to be governed well. But Im not really sure.
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Poor Europeans. Someone says something mean and out come the weak "jealousy" appeals to motive that Americans did with anti-war Europeans about a year ago. Knee-jerking is so predictable.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Poor Europeans. Someone says something mean and out come the weak "jealousy" appeals to motive that Americans did with anti-war Europeans about a year ago. Knee-jerking is so predictable.
:lol:


Seriously though, this obviously is just the peanut gallery speaking up before March 1 2004, trying to show that they will 'be a voice' in Europe ... Yeah ... Sure...
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Col. Crackpot wrote: but that opens the governmet up for corruption of Catholic Church proportions!!! If you feel it is acceptable that a government cannot account for 90% of what it was given, then you deserve the beaurocratic ass-rape you are going to get.
If you had read my entire post, you would have noticed my conclusion:
Colonel Olrik wrote: The situation is impossible to maintain, must change and is going to change
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Colonel Olrik wrote: That settles it. According to some moron, the US is a evil dictatorship.
Hey, so the US is not a nation-state? We're really a bunch of evil tribes
with the Name "Maryland" "Texas" , etc
read my response to Capt. Chewbacca.
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More internal problems over money>>>>
Euro zone in crisis after deficit deal

2003/11/26





The European Union was plunged into bitter recrimination on Tuesday after finance ministers let France and Germany off the hook for repeatedly breaking the euro zone's strict budget rules.

The decision struck at all-night talks left the EU's Stability and Growth Pact - the set of rules underpinning Europe's single currency, ironically designed by Germany to restrain freer-spending countries - in tatters.

The European Commission refused to rule out legal action and the European Central Bank (ECB) issued a hard-hitting statement warning that the deal carried "serious risks".

The accord, endorsed by ministers from all 15 EU nations, suspended "for the time being" disciplinary measures against Paris and Berlin for failing to get their public deficits under 3.0 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP).

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theski wrote:More internal problems over money>>>>

*snip*
More evidence that the EU needs serious reform before it can become a federation
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Ace Pace wrote: More evidence that the EU needs serious reform before it can become a federation
More evidence the closest Europe came to integration was under the
Third Reich with the Reichsmark, et al.
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MKSheppard wrote:
Ace Pace wrote: More evidence that the EU needs serious reform before it can become a federation
More evidence the closest Europe came to integration was under the
Third Reich with the Reichsmark, et al.
LOL, the head of my department said that when we introduced the Euro.
"We could have had this fifty years ago without all the hassle I have to manage now..." :wink:
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Posbi wrote: LOL, the head of my department said that when we introduced the Euro.
"We could have had this fifty years ago without all the hassle I have to manage now..." :wink:
OMFG, you are all closet nazis there! :wink:

Yeah, it's a lot easier when ONE country is running everything and you all
have to bow to them OR ELSE, rather than this chaotic mess
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MKSheppard wrote:
Ace Pace wrote: More evidence that the EU needs serious reform before it can become a federation
More evidence the closest Europe came to integration was under the
Third Reich with the Reichsmark, et al.
The Reichsmark was not invented by the Nazis, it existed before that.
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Dahak wrote: The Reichsmark was not invented by the Nazis, it existed before that.
D'oh! Oh yeah, bismarck, et al, Second Reich, etc etc
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MKSheppard wrote:
Dahak wrote: The Reichsmark was not invented by the Nazis, it existed before that.
D'oh! Oh yeah, bismarck, et al, Second Reich, etc etc
No Second Reich, just Kaiserreich Deutschland :)
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Dahak wrote:Klaus is just miffed that his little country has not yet reached that level of "dream world"...

And that it's a bitch to pronounce when you first see it.
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theski wrote: :shock: 10% of $120 billion.. and 9 straight years.
Isn't a lot of that budget basically international welfare? How much accountability is there for the way welfare bums spend their money?
Tough to grow a economy with those numbers....

http://washingtontimes.com/world/200311 ... -1781r.htm
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