Enterprise Episode -spit-

[HemlockGrey]

Enterprise is playing now, and it sucks.

First off, Archer encounters Romulans. With cloaking devices. In the middle of a cloaked minefield.

Second, there's some BS about 'polarizing hull plating'

Third, Archer punched a needle through a crewmen's suit to deliever anesthetic, while in space. Wouldn't that result in explosive decompression?

Oh, and the dialouge is horrifyingly bad.

[HemlockGrey]

Then there's Hoshi, the Living Translator. B&B just cannot stop coping out.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Enterprise is playing now, and it sucks.

First off, Archer encounters Romulans. With cloaking devices. In the middle of a cloaked minefield.

Second, there's some BS about 'polarizing hull plating'

Third, Archer punched a needle through a crewmen's suit to deliever anesthetic, while in space. Wouldn't that result in explosive decompression?

Oh, and the dialouge is horrifyingly bad.

The suit is self sealing.

[HemlockGrey]

Ah, ok.


But GOD, the part where they disarm the mine is so incredibly tedious...

[Kamakazie Sith]

Ah, ok.


But GOD, the part where they disarm the mine is so incredibly tedious...

BUT! Worfs suit wasn't self sealing. "Star Trek: First Contact"

Gotta love B&B.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Enterprise is playing now, and it sucks.

First off, Archer encounters Romulans. With cloaking devices. In the middle of a cloaked minefield.

Second, there's some BS about 'polarizing hull plating'

Third, Archer punched a needle through a crewmen's suit to deliever anesthetic, while in space. Wouldn't that result in explosive decompression?

Oh, and the dialouge is horrifyingly bad.

The suit is self sealing.

Then why couldn't they cut off Reed's leg?

[HemlockGrey]

I thought that odd. He was willing to go to his certain death if they ejected the metallic plates, but he wasn't willing to get an amputation. Odd.

Plus, why the hell did Archer go out with the shuttle hatchs? Couldn't he, you know, send a lowly grunt?

Even better; the yield is stated to be 1/4 kiloton, and T'pol mentions that the mine could 'seriously damage the Enteprise'.

[Kamakazie Sith]

I thought that odd. He was willing to go to his certain death if they ejected the metallic plates, but he wasn't willing to get an amputation. Odd.

Plus, why the hell did Archer go out with the shuttle hatchs? Couldn't he, you know, send a lowly grunt?

Even better; the yield is stated to be 1/4 kiloton, and T'pol mentions that the mine could 'seriously damage the Enteprise'.

It's not that odd really. I for one would rather die than lose a limb or be paralyzed....well it's not odd to me.

Archer likes to be involved, and he may just be trying to win more respect from the rest of his crew....which rescuing another member would go a long ways to doing so.

[HemlockGrey]

It's still unbelievably stupid to send commanding officers on every single dangerous mission...

...but ST does it every time!

The only time the Empire *ever* does this is in the case of Lord Vader, and he's a special exception, being the Lord of the Badasses.

[Master of Ossus]

Actually, General Veers' assignment to Hoth was also an example of a high level officer being sent into harm's way, but being a general and a tactician (as opposed to a strategist), such was a reasonable assignment for him, especially since the danger was fairly small and he was surrounded by elite forces.

[tharkûn]

It's still unbelievably stupid to send commanding officers on every single dangerous mission...

Depends on what you are the commanding officer of.

Planes, tanks, and choppers normally have the CO in formation, often at the point of the formation (if its being used).

However I agree for Naval Vessels. The height of this stupidity was DS9 where the ENTIRE BRIDGE CREW would load onto the Defiant for stupid missions and leave the station with NO senior officers present.


What I want to know is why the hell was Reed doing EVA ... ALONE. You send two people out so if one has a heart attack, is killed, whatever ... you have a spare to take over. Likewise why in hell didn't have/use a second minesweeper guy? Do B&B realize how asinine the concept of a "weapons officer" is? That modern militaries have demolitions experts (specializing in blowing things up), heavy weapons specialists (special in things like rocket launchers, mortars, etc.), snipers, light weapons (like knives, hand to hand, crossbows, etc. ... do NOT get into a fight with these guys), SAW gunners, etc.

Instead we get Ent which uses 1 guy for everthing weapons and when he goes down they have him talk the CAPTAIN through disarming a mine.

Would it be too much to ask to have them hire a military consultant (like say a marine)?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

It's not that odd really. I for one would rather die than lose a limb or be paralyzed....well it's not odd to me.

You're a Kamakazie.


And wouldn't they have like robotic limbs?

[Slartibartfast]

I for one think that the shield-less, polarized-hull ships are interesting (not the word "polarized", but you get my point)

Also how the torpedoes aren't fired like a swarm of bright red dots, but they actually have to load a launch tube, then they say "fire tube one" etc. Also how instead of it crashing into enemy shields, seeing how the shields bounce into another direction.

[paladin]

It's still unbelievably stupid to send commanding officers on every single dangerous mission...

Depends on what you are the commanding officer of.

Planes, tanks, and choppers normally have the CO in formation, often at the point of the formation (if its being used).

However I agree for Naval Vessels. The height of this stupidity was DS9 where the ENTIRE BRIDGE CREW would load onto the Defiant for stupid missions and leave the station with NO senior officers present.


What I want to know is why the hell was Reed doing EVA ... ALONE. You send two people out so if one has a heart attack, is killed, whatever ... you have a spare to take over. Likewise why in hell didn't have/use a second minesweeper guy? Do B&B realize how asinine the concept of a "weapons officer" is? That modern militaries have demolitions experts (specializing in blowing things up), heavy weapons specialists (special in things like rocket launchers, mortars, etc.), snipers, light weapons (like knives, hand to hand, crossbows, etc. ... do NOT get into a fight with these guys), SAW gunners, etc.

Instead we get Ent which uses 1 guy for everthing weapons and when he goes down they have him talk the CAPTAIN through disarming a mine.

Would it be too much to ask to have them hire a military consultant (like say a marine)?

The military consultant would probably quit in less than a week. B&B would be to stupid to listen to any advice.

[Admiral_K]

First of all, Enterprise isn't a true military ship and thus doesn't have all the personell a military ship would have. It truly is an "exploration vessell" which latter trek ships would all claim to be while secretly being warships that perform exploratory missions.

[Master of Ossus]

First of all, Enterprise isn't a true military ship and thus doesn't have all the personell a military ship would have. It truly is an "exploration vessell" which latter trek ships would all claim to be while secretly being warships that perform exploratory missions.

I disagree. Enterprise is ludicrously well armed for a mere exploration vessel. They are constantly trying out new and better weapons, and their torpedoes, "phase cannons," and assorted tactical weapons and defenses all indicate that the ship is actually a ship analogous in most respects to a cruiser. While masquerading as an explorer, much smaller vessels would be nearly as effective for a fraction of the cost.

[Enlightenment]

Would it be too much to ask to have them hire a military consultant (like say a marine)?

Unfortunately it wouldn't help much. In the Trek franchise, advisors only get a shot at scripts after they've been plotted and fully written. All a military advisor would only be able to try and keep the terminology right rather than clean up the god aweful plot errors that the sitcom & drama hacks (aka Trek writers) continually committ.

[tharkûn]

I disagree. Enterprise is ludicrously well armed for a mere exploration vessel.
With piss poor armor. I'm sorry you are going to suffer major damage from a fraction of kilotonne? Just how damn thin is your hull?

If its a military ship its a piss poor one at that. Assuming they haven't forgotten about nuclear weapons by now fractions of a kilotonne should be ludicriously small weapons. We have missiles that pack bigger punches in today's arsenal.

I haven't watched enough, with the exception of the first show at this one at 3/4ths of the show is the most I've watched since, but it doesn't seem to be fast enough to be a cruiser (relative to the other ships I've seen it move against).

Speaking from ignorance, but that's just my take (and why I want to go bash B&B's head togethor).

If only B&B would let some fans with the relevant experience come in and educate the writers, possibly vet some scripts. I swear they would likely not have to even pay.

[Master of Ossus]

I agree completely that Enterprise is a terrible warship, but that appears to be what it was designed for. The number of weapons on the ship simply are not necessary for an explorer. It would probably be better off gambling that a lack of armament would equate to a lack of hostile intent, rather than carrying around worthless weapons. But we can clearly see that its weapons are sufficient against most ships that it finds, which is consistent with the firepower of a destroyer or a light cruiser. It does not seem very fast, but its design is analogous to a cruiser on eyeball review.

[Nathan F]

Sigh, overall, i think Enterprise is a decent show. But it shoots itself in the foot almost every episode by screwing around with the timeline. Paramount knew better than to destroy the timeline like they have done. I have a couple theories about how this is happening:

It is a rogue Q screwing everything out.

It ends up being a holodeck program gone horribly wrong.

or Crewman Daniels ends up in the last episode saying that he read the wrong history book/felt like trying to screw things around, and sends all the Enterprise crew back 20 years before their mission and makes them monks in an obscure Tibetan monestary..

[Enlightenment]

I'm sorry you are going to suffer major damage from a fraction of kilotonne? Just how damn thin is your hull?

I don't see the problem here. 1/4th of a kiloton is 250 metric tonnes of TNT. There's no way to design against that kind of blast without using magic (i.e. shields) or utterly massive quantities of armor. For once Trek is being realistic here.

[LordShaithis]

Indeed. Remember folks, this isn't the Empire (or even the Federation) we're talking about here. This is an unshielded Earth vessel.

[CorSec]

First, the stupid: Lt. Reed would not have been out there alone. How many mines hit the Enterprise initially? If that's an example of a single 1/4 ton mine - then I dare say those shuttle doors weren't going to protect anyone from anything, least of all a blast in the vaccuum of space.

(I'll have to check again - if I have the stomach - and see if the mine itself was rated at ~1/4 ton or if it was the shuttle hatches that were able to withstand a blast that high.)

Second, my conception: Archer didn't administer through the suit (which was self sealing as evidenced by the near fatal leg wound), rather the anesthetic was administered into an injection port located on the suit. Sure, they didn't show the port and thus it's speculation on my part, but it does make some sense.

Third, the moronic: The timeline, in the strictest of interpretations, was preserved. It cannot be said that any Earth human has seen a Romulan. It's bullshit, I agree, but it's how B&B rationalize their Flawless Timeline assertion.

[LordShaithis]

Wasn't that old TOS episode supposed to be the first time the Federation learned of the Romulan's cloaking device?

[HemlockGrey]

i thouhtit was suppposed to be the first time anyone had a cloaking device.