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Do any of you know where I could get some resarch for this topic for debate?
Here it is:
Part 1:The US will persuade the EU and UN to help the US turn the Israel and Palestinien(sp?) territories into one nation.
Part 2: The government will be a replica of the US's(free religion, right to vote, etc)
Part 3: If this does not happen in 5 years the US will annex both territories :twisted: .

Are there any places that I counld get stuff on this? I need pro and con and I can't find anything anywhere.
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There's a reason why you can't find anything; it's a mish mash of several conspiracy theories. So far, nobody has been born who is insane enough to come up with all that.
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Part 3: If this does not happen in 5 years the US will annex both territories .
Will not happen in a million years.
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three parts, three impossibilites. That's retarded.
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well thats what someone on a debate tem came up with
plus option three is an only if the other two fail.
But there are no sites for research on this that I can find
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Darth Mall wrote:well thats what someone on a debate tem came up with
plus option three is an only if the other two fail.
But there are no sites for research on this that I can find
All three things are completely absurd, there's nothing to find about them. Don't waste your time on a debate run by such morons if you can avoid it.
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I wpuld if I could but then i would e kicked off the team or ridiculed, so are there anyplaces that I could get some info on this for?

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The team is obviously run by people with no comprehension of reality. Its not worth your time.
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Darth Mall wrote:I wpuld if I could but then i would e kicked off the team or ridiculed, so are there anyplaces that I could get some info on this for?

Thanx
What information are you looking for? None of those things are going to happen, no one is considering them, they are fiction. You can't expect to find information on something that doesn't exist.

Now if you want just general information on the conflict, well a web search will turn up a billion links, though most are hopelessly biased. I'm not sure if there are any decent site, books at your local library will probably serve you better since they don't get updated and changed constantly.

But I'll just say again, your dealing with idiocy. You should quit the team if this is the kind of crap it has you "debate". Anything anyone says on it will be wrong since none of it has any basis in reality. Just who came up with these topics anyway?
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It is sheer idiocy, but perhaps they're trying to debate it as a purely hypothetical scenario rather than a realistic one. It would, however, require a hypothetical world in which the political situation outside Israel/Palestine is much different than it is in reality.
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Some people at a high school came up with this idea. These ideas do not have to be realistic and I need good reasons for this and bad.

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Darth Mall wrote:Some people at a high school came up with this idea. These ideas do not have to be realistic and I need good reasons for this and bad.

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Good:

1) The religious theocracy would be finally ended.
2) The religious hatred would be suppressed.
3) The "slow war of settlement conquest" would finally be ended.

Bad:

1) Instead of part of Israel being Occupied Territories, all of Israel would be Occupied Territories. Although I think the Americans would do a better job of being fair in their administration of it.
2) Terrorism against the US would skyrocket.
3) The US would lose a lot of lives and money while gaining nothing in return.
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Darth Mall, this really is a pointless scenario since the basic points for the debate are unrealistic, and rely on so many unrealistic pre-conditions that the whole thing is absurd. If you say the others will ridicule you for not being involved, well, these folks are not really worth worrying about.

What Darth Wong said is essentially the way it would boil down, if this scenario is insisted upon. The Palestinians would see it as further occupation of their land while the Israelis would see it as Palestinians being rewarded for aggression.

There was talk of making the whole area an international zone, run by the UN, and that plan got trimmed down to where just Jerusalem would be a UN zone and the rest divided. That is the closest realistic reflection of the scenario you present.

Look at the backstory and try to plot an alternate world history where this happened. Start with the Zionist Movement of the 1880's with Theodore Herzl; also look to the Balfour Declaration; the Sykes-Picot Accords; read through "Six Days of War" by Michael Oren; and contemplate other ramifications of UN Resolutions 181 and 242.

You'll have to come up with alternate outcomes to the 1967 and 73 wars, perhaps they didn't even happen, as well as the 1970 Black September uprising in Jordan. The 1967 war was the war that changed everything in the MidEast, so concentrate on that one if you insist on going through with this.

And if your 'pals' get on your case about all this, then you can ridicule them for coming to a battle of wits unarmed.
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Darth Mall wrote:Do any of you know where I could get some resarch for this topic for debate?
Here it is:
Part 1:The US will persuade the EU and UN to help the US turn the Israel and Palestinien(sp?) territories into one nation.
The US is trying pretty hard to get people to go into Iraq and Afganistan with mixed results. How the hell are they going to convince the UN or NATO to go into Palestine? Unbiased at that?
Part 2: The government will be a replica of the US's(free religion, right to vote, etc)
*snort* Ok. Nice but shit will hit the fan when fundies learn that it is no longer illegal to practice another relegion other than 'inser their fucked up beliefs here'.
Part 3: If this does not happen in 5 years the US will annex both territories :twisted: .
Unrealistic. IF the US actually convinced the UN and NATO to pull this off, NATO and the UN would go apeshit if the US annexed the area. On top of this the US would then have to deal with both Isreali and Palestinian terrorists who hate each other but are still focused against the US.
Are there any places that I counld get stuff on this? I need pro and con and I can't find anything anywhere.
Thanx
The con part would be the simpleist. The pro side has little if nothing going for it. If you MUST have an argument for the pro side, side step the moronic 3 step plan and focus on international presure and the such. Perhaps focus on what the outside political scene would look like and have to be to pull off such a plan.

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Thanx guys, I've put that stuff in the reasearch and at the end added a post note to tell everyone not to bitch and that I'd like to see them do better. Also this was for the congressional debate team that I'm a member of at my high school, so I had to do it.

Thanx again
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