evolution

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-10-06 02:58pm

anyone care to teach it to me? I find myself unable to argue either side.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-10-06 03:06pm

God said: May there be light. And then it was day

He looked at the Earth and found it barren.
And then created all the animals and living things.

In the end, he found His creation incomplete

He needed someone to worship him.
And then he created Adam. And from a rib of Adam came Eve. And from them all the Men came.

You can start by reading the ongoing debate and Lord Wong's Site. It is excellent.

And then proceed to Richard Dawkins books.

If you have any question, then ask away!

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-10-06 03:08pm

-rolls eyes- I know the christian view. but I'm curious bout the science theory.

-goes to read-

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-10-06 03:28pm

well, his site debates individual points well, but I'm not sure what the whole concept is. do tell.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-06 03:38pm

I have a basic explanation, I think.

In the Beginning, there were small, single-celled organisms. Over billions/millions of years, by continually adapting to their surroundings, they evolved into fish. Over billions/millions of years, the fish found that there was less water and more land. They adapted, and became amphibians, which became reptiles/mammals, which became dinosaurs/furry critters/whales/dolphins. The furry critters, by continually adopting to their surroundings, became us.

There was something about a black monolith and some extraterrestial nudges to our intelligence, but I'm not sure.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 03:51pm

Basically, the theory of evolution holds that there are random variations within the genetic structure of any species. Through natural selection, mutations that are beneficial have a higher survival rate, while detrimental mutations tend to die out. The survivors, some of which have beneficial mutations, reproduce and over time form new species. Whenever a catastrophic event seriously changes the conditions of an area, species must adapt quickly in order to survive. This causes an explosive evolutionary change, and can alter a species very rapidly. Other species that do not adapt die out. Over the course of millions of years, simple, single-celled organisms developed into multicellular symbionts and then into multi-cellular organisms. These then continued to adapt into each of the different forms of life that we see today. That's kind of evolution in one paragraph. That's not even a thousandth of what there is on evolution, but I hope it gives you a kind of general idea. I think, though, that you'd be better off just reading a book on it from a real professor who knows how to teach it. Even Wong's little flame-wars with morons may be more helpful.

Australopithicus · Post by **Australopithicus** » 2002-10-06 03:51pm

Thankyou, Cyril.
And people wonder why I find the 'Evolution solves all' tablet to be particularly difficult to swallow...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-10-06 03:53pm

mmk, austra. persuade me. why is evolution not plausible.

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2002-10-06 03:53pm

There was something about a black monolith and some extraterrestial nudges to our intelligence, but I'm not sure.[/quote]
Indeed, were would we be without the monolith

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 03:53pm

Australopithicus wrote:And people wonder why I find the 'Evolution solves all' tablet to be particularly difficult to swallow...

I don't really understand what you mean. Evolution is backed by all scientific data. It does not solve all problems at all. It also does not even attempt to answer many fundamental questions of life, or attempt to answer problems not related to it. However, seeing as how you do not understand the Theory of Evolution at all, you are wholly unqualified to attack it.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-10-06 03:53pm

Australopithicus wrote:Thankyou, Cyril.
And people wonder why I find the 'Evolution solves all' tablet to be particularly difficult to swallow...

Yes, we do wonder. The basic premises are not hard to understand.

But you don't get them. Why?

Australopithicus · Post by **Australopithicus** » 2002-10-06 03:55pm

I love it when people use swearwords and their IQ's or qualifications to back up their arguments...it gives me a warm glow of satisfaction...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-10-06 03:56pm

-idles-

ok, for the last couple yrs, I've been rather uninvolved in this entire debate, as I didnt think it was particularly relevant to today. but, with some of my relgious beliefs changing, I have an empty space of how humanity came about, and am curious what the actual theories are.

so, plz tell me why evolution does or does not work, and if not, what replaces it.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-10-06 03:57pm

Australopithicus wrote:I love it when people use swearwords and their IQ's or qualifications to back up their arguments...it gives me a warm glow of satisfaction...

Where? who? Have I ever told you I'm a mechanical engineer? Oops, I did it now.. I confess.. I have a superior degree.

We have a debate going on. Please try to make a point over there. People are becoming disapointed

Dirty Harry · Post by **Dirty Harry** » 2002-10-06 03:57pm

Australopithicus wrote:I love it when people use swearwords and their IQ's or qualifications to back up their arguments...it gives me a warm glow of satisfaction...

were has anyone here done that?

Australopithicus · Post by **Australopithicus** » 2002-10-06 03:59pm

The truth is that it doesn't really matter anyway. In any case, evolutionists must think really little of planet Earth to suggest that all mammalians came from the common ancestor, that being a rodent...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 03:59pm

Basically, evolution works because of natural selection. Detrimental mutations die out, and beneficial mutations tend to survive. Over time, this alters the population of a species until the majority of them have beneficial traits. Over time, large populations develop with a group of beneficial traits, and are no longer capable of reproducing with the original species. When this happens, this is called speciation. I really don't know how else to explain to you how or why evolution works. If you have a more specific question, I might be able to answer it for you, but that question seemed kind of general.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 04:01pm

Australopithicus wrote:The truth is that it doesn't really matter anyway. In any case, evolutionists must think really little of planet Earth to suggest that all mammalians came from the common ancestor, that being a rodent...

Why would we need to think little of Earth? Life on earth is independent of the Earth itself, except that it must conform to the conditions presented to it. It is not an insult to the planet to say that mammalian forms of life evolved from a common ancestor. If anything, it is awe-inspiring as to how much time it took for things like elephants, humans, and cats to evolve from one species.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-10-06 04:02pm

Australopithicus wrote:The truth is that it doesn't really matter anyway. In any case, evolutionists must think really little of planet Earth to suggest that all mammalians came from the common ancestor, that being a rodent...

On the contrary. It is beautiful. But you fail to see it.

Anyway, the truth is what matters, not your own personal feelings.

Do you live in La La Land? You failed to refute Evolution in the debate.

And you still cling to your gut feelings. Tell that to your teacher:

"Sir, I disagree with you. The integral of x is not x^2/2 because my church says otherwise

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 04:02pm

Australopithicus wrote:I love it when people use swearwords and their IQ's or qualifications to back up their arguments...it gives me a warm glow of satisfaction...

I love it when morons don't understand something, yet continue to argue against it while making points that are either stupid, meaningless, or even points that support what they are trying to attack.

Australopithicus · Post by **Australopithicus** » 2002-10-06 04:03pm

And it wouldn't be awe - inspiring to think that an omnipotent being created all of us to an extremely detailed degree, now, would it?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-10-06 04:04pm

austra, again, I ask the question.

if evolution doesnt work, what replaces the theory? I havent seen one from you, and that abscence is helping these people persuade me.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-10-06 04:05pm

Not if he's an evil asshole who doesn't give a shit about me.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-10-06 04:05pm

Australopithicus wrote:And it wouldn't be awe - inspiring to think that an omnipotent being created all of us to an extremely detailed degree, now, would it?

Little childred believe in Santa Claus until someone eventually break their hearts or they realize in on their own. Does that mean we should wish a santa claus to existance?

Maybe if we believe it really hard then it becomes magically true

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 04:05pm

Australopithicus wrote:And it wouldn't be awe - inspiring to think that an omnipotent being created all of us to an extremely detailed degree, now, would it?

It would be, except that all evidence points to evolution instead of spontaneous creation by any divine being. Please, if you have any real points then make them. Belief in evolution is clearly independent of the amount of time that evolution has taken. Just because you fail to understand evolution does not make it not true.