Uh Oh, Its War!!!

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2003-12-01 09:18pm

The Hapans are at their highest peak; The Feds are at their highest peak. In a flash the Hapans and the Federation have been merged without any consent. Hapan worlds are now next to Fed worlds, Hapan ships are next to Fed ships, and the Hapans are very mad.

The Hapans and the Federation go to war. Who wins with no help from an outside party

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-12-01 09:27pm

One side has guns that can compete with an ISD on some scale...

The other doesn't.

I wonder

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-12-01 09:28pm

Hapans. The two organizations are approximately the same size, but the Hapans have all the SW advantages (gigaton weaponry, planetary shields, ion cannons, hyperdrive, fast sublight, fast communication, etc.). They win this within a few weeks.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-12-01 09:28pm

Hapans are not 25,000 years behind the rest of the SW universe....~Jason

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-12-01 10:37pm

Odd, post was eaten by internet. Ok.

Hapans only have 60 systems under their control. This means limited industrial capacity and limited manpower. The result is that I don't think they can conquer through a series of ground wars, the Federation simply outnumbers them too much and we've never seen anything with regards to ground pounders from the Hapan's anyways. And they have certainly never shown any tendency towards a BDZ type event.

Given their small size, I suspect that the Federation can out manufacture them, but their massive tech advantage should negate that.

Their battleships have fixed placement guns with a longer refire time, but I suspect they are also a bit more powerful given that a fleet of Battle Dragons and Nova Cruisers can decimate an Imperial Fleet sent against them.

I forsee the Hapans winning by them seeing to it the Federation tears itself apart. Repeated strikes against lone ships and taskforces, followed up by wiping out starbases and shipyards and set fighters loose on the subspace comms. No way to communicate or move between planets and the thing will just fall apart.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-02 01:59am

I agree with Ender - Fed superior in resources, Hapans superior in tech

Kick Fed-ass.

Long live Battle Dragons!!!

Metrion Cascade · Post by **Metrion Cascade** » 2003-12-02 05:43am

Unless "Federation at its highest peak" means the 29th century Federation (Wells-class timeships, personal transporters, portable holoemitters, shuttles that can wreck an Intrepid class with a few shots).

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2003-12-02 08:25am

Nope I meant the Federation at their higest peak in their current time frame, not the 29th century.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-12-02 08:39am

Does this means the Hapans have acquired the Turbolaser technology from the New Republic as they did in NJO then? If so its a no Brainer. If not, then I still hand it to the Hapans but its a bit closer.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-12-02 02:33pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Does this means the Hapans have acquired the Turbolaser technology from the New Republic as they did in NJO then? If so its a no Brainer. If not, then I still hand it to the Hapans but its a bit closer.

Hapans Turbolasers have the same firepower as Imperial Equivalents but simply have a lower fire rate. The rotating cannon setup of Baddle Dragons does alot to negate this.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-12-02 04:52pm

Isolder74 wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Does this means the Hapans have acquired the Turbolaser technology from the New Republic as they did in NJO then? If so its a no Brainer. If not, then I still hand it to the Hapans but its a bit closer.
Hapans Turbolasers have the same firepower as Imperial Equivalents but simply have a lower fire rate. The rotating cannon setup of Baddle Dragons does alot to negate this.

He said at their "highest peak" Hapans aquired normal recharge rates in the NJO. Althought their fleet had been massacred.

So its either a lot of hapans with slow firing weapons or fewer hapens but each ship fires 3 times faster.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2003-12-02 04:52pm

I am asking, if you vote please tell us why. Thanks

to all of those who posted to tell us why.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-12-02 07:59pm

Crazedwraith wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Does this means the Hapans have acquired the Turbolaser technology from the New Republic as they did in NJO then? If so its a no Brainer. If not, then I still hand it to the Hapans but its a bit closer.
Hapans Turbolasers have the same firepower as Imperial Equivalents but simply have a lower fire rate. The rotating cannon setup of Baddle Dragons does alot to negate this.
He said at their "highest peak" Hapans aquired normal recharge rates in the NJO. Althought their fleet had been massacred.

So its either a lot of hapans with slow firing weapons or fewer hapens but each ship fires 3 times faster.

And if we take into account the inevitable rebuilding of the Hapan Fleet after the Vong War. (Which we do with the federation in terms of rebuilding after the Dominion War as a part of VS debates) Then the hapans have both the largenumber of ships and the rapid fire TL technology given to them by the NR. (Though why they had to get it from the NR is beyond me since it seems to be common tech that any business, or fringe group could have sold them anyway)

Taking into account the TL technology and the eventual rebuilding it's the hapans in a landslide. I would also think that the Vast Wealth of the Hapan Consortium would play a significant factor as well.

Do we also get the Added benefit of Tenel Ka's leadership? That puts a JEDI in charge of the Hapan War effort. Surely something that cannot be simply overlooked. She won't be doing any force chokes anytime soon but I would think the force would play a part in her effective leadership.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-12-03 05:51am

I doubt they'd even fight, but assuming they did...

The Hapans have huge advantages in firepower, propulsion, and shields. They don't seem nasty enough to just BDZ everything in sight, nor do they have the manpower to occupy the entire Federation. However, they can easily smash & capture a few key worlds like Earth and Vulcan, then dictate the terms of the peace treaty. A victory by any standard.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-12-03 05:56am

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:They don't seem nasty enough to just BDZ everything in sight, nor do they have the manpower to occupy the entire Federation.

the former Queen Mother, T'a'Chume (is that right, I know its Isolder's mom) ould have done it. As would most any other hapan Leader other than Tenel Ka I think. Which is why I asked if she was in charge as well as the obvious fact shes jedi.

With regards to Manpower, Im guessing hapan Agents each armed with a Gun of Command might be able to come up with some pretty interesting Federation policies, or cpture some officers and easily extract information. The fleet battle would be over before it began.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-12-03 08:13am

Since when was 'winning a war' a euphemisim for 'genocide' (BDZ) or occupation. The Hapan fleet is superior to the Federation fleet, even if there isn't a 'major decisive battle' Starfleet will eventually be neutralised ... what is the Federation going to do then? Throw rocks from their planets at approaching ships?

The Hapans need to only to destroy Starfleet, and then set up a limited blockade, even if the Feds don't come to the table after this, they won't be a threat so it wouldn't matter.

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-12-03 10:16am

Crown wrote:Since when was 'winning a war' a euphemisim for 'genocide' (BDZ) or occupation. The Hapan fleet is superior to the Federation fleet, even if there isn't a 'major decisive battle' Starfleet will eventually be neutralised ... what is the Federation going to do then? Throw rocks from their planets at approaching ships?

The Feds beam rocks through the hulls into the skull of every captain of every Hapan ship in orbit around Fed worlds--soon there are no Hapan captains left and the Feds take over every Hapan ship and win in a landslide.

Mwahahaha :veryevil:

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-12-03 10:30am

^
Damn, got the callsigns for the smilies in the different forums all mixed up :-p

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2003-12-03 11:57am

JodoForce wrote:
Crown wrote:Since when was 'winning a war' a euphemisim for 'genocide' (BDZ) or occupation. The Hapan fleet is superior to the Federation fleet, even if there isn't a 'major decisive battle' Starfleet will eventually be neutralised ... what is the Federation going to do then? Throw rocks from their planets at approaching ships?

The Feds beam rocks through the hulls into the skull of every captain of every Hapan ship in orbit around Fed worlds--soon there are no Hapan captains left and the Feds take over every Hapan ship and win in a landslide.

Mwahahaha :veryevil:

Ya, the day that happens is the day I dislike Star Wars and love Star Trek.
So...ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!

The Feds would die a very bad death

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-12-03 12:29pm

Techno_Union wrote:
JodoForce wrote:
Crown wrote:Since when was 'winning a war' a euphemisim for 'genocide' (BDZ) or occupation. The Hapan fleet is superior to the Federation fleet, even if there isn't a 'major decisive battle' Starfleet will eventually be neutralised ... what is the Federation going to do then? Throw rocks from their planets at approaching ships?

The Feds beam rocks through the hulls into the skull of every captain of every Hapan ship in orbit around Fed worlds--soon there are no Hapan captains left and the Feds take over every Hapan ship and win in a landslide.

Mwahahaha :veryevil:
Ya, the day that happens is the day I dislike Star Wars and love Star Trek.
So...ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!! The Feds would die a very bad death

Ever consider that Jodo was joking?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-12-03 04:42pm

GrandAdmiralPrawn wrote:I doubt they'd even fight, but assuming they did...

The Hapans have huge advantages in firepower, propulsion, and shields. They don't seem nasty enough to just BDZ everything in sight, nor do they have the manpower to occupy the entire Federation. However, they can easily smash & capture a few key worlds like Earth and Vulcan, then dictate the terms of the peace treaty. A victory by any standard.

Since when do Federations planets require large amounts of forces to conquer and occupy? In "Unification" less then a division of Romulan troops were expected to conquer Vulcan. In "In the Pale Moonlight" The Jem'Hadar had Betazed in hours.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2003-12-03 04:42pm

Aya wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:
JodoForce wrote: The Feds beam rocks through the hulls into the skull of every captain of every Hapan ship in orbit around Fed worlds--soon there are no Hapan captains left and the Feds take over every Hapan ship and win in a landslide.

Mwahahaha :veryevil:
Ya, the day that happens is the day I dislike Star Wars and love Star Trek.
So...ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!! The Feds would die a very bad death

Ever consider that Jodo was joking?

Ever think I was too.

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