Save overtime petition

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-12-02 03:23am

Ok, I never spam you guys with this kinda thing, but like most folks I kinda need my OT pay to pay the bills so consider this eligntened self interest Spamming
Save Overtime

thank you for your support.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-02 03:25am

As I'm not American, I can't participate but I wish you good luck. The increasing corporate use of unpaid overtime is one of the ways economists can "prove" that productivity has skyrocketed

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-12-02 03:36am

What the fuck is going on in the capitol!?!?!!!

Someone is *clearly* not thinking correctly. Pay the overtime and get the money moving around out there in peoples hands, not sitting in some corporation's account...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-12-02 03:38am

Thanks

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-12-02 04:58am

Being a Kiwi, I cannot sign it..If I was a yank, I would. That is outrageous..expecting people to work for free? If your union has a good amount in the kitty, strike. Make sure your placards read

"We dont work for Free"

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-12-02 05:01am

Actually, My union like Police officers and many others in even Privatized Government employ can't strike.

however, despite being a national policy, It doesn't effect me. (I live in a very pro-union state, and OT is still protected under CA law....)

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-12-02 10:03pm

Waitaminnit...so they want to stop paying extra for overtime? So basically, there would be no such thing as overtime?

I can't think of a single reason for them to do that. What the fuck are they smoking?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-12-02 10:24pm

Like hell...sorry I lived off overtime for way too many pointless years in college for a dumbass retail job. I know it's needed.

Bastards.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-12-02 11:24pm

Jesus fucking CHRIST, put away your hammers and sickles. Bush is not going to take away your overtime. Even if the pinko EPI's worst predictions come true, no more than 8 million of them will be losing overtime. Here are some more articles on the matter:

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?P ... 0901a.html

http://www.epf.org/media/newsreleases/2 ... p?nrid=180

This is a restructuring, not an abolition. Not to mention these people now caterwauling for workers earning more than $65,000 a year are largely the same who not too long ago were fighting tooth and nail against tax cuts that would benefit them. Fucking hypocrites.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-12-02 11:36pm

Durran Korr wrote: This is a restructuring, not an abolition. Not to mention these people now caterwauling for workers earning more than $65,000 a year are largely the same who not too long ago were fighting tooth and nail against tax cuts that would benefit them. Fucking hypocrites.

Durran please, don't start with the tax cuts benefiting the middle class again. That is a complete load of bullshit. The bottom 60% income earners of America's taxpayers got only 14.7% of the tax cut. I would suggest that you do not dispute this.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-12-02 11:43pm

Ok, I signed it and I'll make sure I take it to my other internet buddies.~Jason

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-12-02 11:47pm

The Kernel wrote:Durran please, don't start with the tax cuts benefiting the middle class again. That is a complete load of bullshit. The bottom 60% income earners of America's taxpayers got only 14.7% of the tax cut. I would suggest that you do not dispute this.

Yeah, but untop of all other taxes, including state and local, the Middle Class is hit the worst, and benefits the most from the corresponding liberated percentage of their income.

And besides, its idiotic anyway, as a graduated income tax is clear unfair to begin with.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-12-02 11:50pm

Because many of those in the lowest percentile have no federal income tax liability and others pay very little. What percent of nothing would you like returned? 50%? 100%? A handout disguised as a tax cut?

Income earners earning over $65,000 are not in the lowest 60 percent of income earners, anyway. This country would be a lot richer if they were. So they most certainly are benefitting from tax cuts.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-03 01:26am

Durran Korr wrote:Jesus fucking CHRIST, put away your hammers and sickles. Bush is not going to take away your overtime. Even if the pinko EPI's worst predictions come true, no more than 8 million of them will be losing overtime.

Wow, "only" 8 million people stand to get fucked. I guess it was just a big deal over nothing, right?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-03 01:30am

Durran Korr wrote:Jesus fucking CHRIST, put away your hammers and sickles. Bush is not going to take away your overtime. Even if the pinko EPI's worst predictions come true, no more than 8 million of them will be losing overtime.

So I guess those eight million don't deserve to get paid equaly fairly for their work?

This stinks of INEQUALITY.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-12-03 02:43am

I signed it. No way I'm gonna trust whatever Shrub is up to in the capitol...

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-12-03 04:10am

Signed.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-12-03 04:42am

The day my company stops paying overtime is the same day that I stop working overtime.

I cannot understand the dumbfucks that do unpayd overtime, if they want me at work they better pay me for my time.

To bad that I can not sign that.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-12-03 06:21am

Done and Done YB, thanks for the linkage

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-12-03 11:55am

Wow, "only" 8 million people stand to get fucked. I guess it was just a big deal over nothing, right?

It is when a lot of people apparently take the bait and think that the Evil Corporate Monster Bush is going to take away their overtime.

In any case, read the EPF study. This could very well be BS.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-12-03 12:02pm

There is no way to pass off 8 million as an unimportant number of people, thats an entire medium to large city.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-12-03 01:16pm

Faram wrote:

The day my company stops paying overtime is the same day that I stop working overtime.

I cannot understand the dumbfucks that do unpayd overtime, if they want me at work they better pay me for my time.

To bad that I can not sign that.

Most proffesional level positions are salaried which means no OT. It is the companies way to give everyone a 50 hr workload for 40 hrs of pay. The idea behind salary is that it give the worker and employer flexibility to work odd hours when needed. ie) If you need to go to the dentist, you just go. Where as an hourly employee need permision, will lose the hours etc.

However, in real life the trade off with being salaried is a larger workload.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-12-03 03:48pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
The Kernel wrote:Durran please, don't start with the tax cuts benefiting the middle class again. That is a complete load of bullshit. The bottom 60% income earners of America's taxpayers got only 14.7% of the tax cut. I would suggest that you do not dispute this.

Yeah, but untop of all other taxes, including state and local, the Middle Class is hit the worst, and benefits the most from the corresponding liberated percentage of their income.

And besides, its idiotic anyway, as a graduated income tax is clear unfair to begin with.[/quote

It isn't as unfair as you think. Consider this: people in the upper class in America have a huge income disparity over the middle and epecially lower classes. The only way those classes can survive is with social programs paid by taxes. Now you can argue that the upper class shouldn't have to pay for programs they don't use, but if they want to continue relying on working class people at low wages (the very building blocks of their financial empires) then they need to support them.

Think of a restaurant for a sec. The reason that the waiters can survive on only a few bucks an hour is because they make a lot on tips. If tipping wasn't customary, then the menu prices would have to increase in order to pay for increased salaries for the waiters.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-12-03 03:55pm

Durran Korr wrote:Because many of those in the lowest percentile have no federal income tax liability and others pay very little. What percent of nothing would you like returned? 50%? 100%? A handout disguised as a tax cut?

Wrong, they pay very little in income taxes, however the average payroll taxes for a family of four making $35,000 is $5,355. And I might add that during the BUSH SPONSERED Tax Family Events during the 2000 campaign, it turned out that most lower class families would have gotten greater tax returns under Gore's plan then Bush's.

Income earners earning over $65,000 are not in the lowest 60 percent of income earners, anyway. This country would be a lot richer if they were. So they most certainly are benefitting from tax cuts.

Benefitting yes, but you called us hypocrites for bashing Bush tax cuts that largely benefitted the wealthy. People making > $125,000 recieved the most benefits from the tax cuts (even though they needed it the least) all while Bush cut social programs that hurt the lower class.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-12-03 04:35pm

Evil socialist policies like minimum wage or overtime, bah, who needs it?

>>signs petition<<