They aint all bad

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2002-10-06 02:45pm

Has mike (or anyone else for that matter) ever actually stated somethign where trek could actually beat wars in? Anyways, what the heck is the point in debating them? They are sci-fi! They arent real! Thats like saying that the Death Star is feasable.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2002-10-06 02:46pm

NF_Utvol wrote:Has mike (or anyone else for that matter) ever actually stated somethign where trek could actually beat wars in? Anyways, what the heck is the point in debating them? They are sci-fi! They arent real! Thats like saying that the Death Star is feasable.

Oh, and i would think that someone who refuses to find something that trek could beat wars in is a rabid warsie in my opinion. And your always stating that torpedoes are only a few megatons. There are current weapons that have yeilds well above the 20 and 30 megaton range, i have an odd feeling that they would still be using nukes against ships if they yielded more than a quantum or photon torpedo.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 03:36pm

NF_Utvol wrote:
NF_Utvol wrote:Has mike (or anyone else for that matter) ever actually stated somethign where trek could actually beat wars in? Anyways, what the heck is the point in debating them? They are sci-fi! They arent real! Thats like saying that the Death Star is feasable.
Oh, and i would think that someone who refuses to find something that trek could beat wars in is a rabid warsie in my opinion. And your always stating that torpedoes are only a few megatons. There are current weapons that have yeilds well above the 20 and 30 megaton range, i have an odd feeling that they would still be using nukes against ships if they yielded more than a quantum or photon torpedo.

I have given numerous reasons why they would use photon torpedoes instead of nuclear warheads, given a choice between two weapons of COMPARABLE yield.

However, your definition of the term "rabid" is clearly flawed. For example, there is really no advantage that American military forces from 1930 would have over American forces from the modern day. are military historians who believe that the modern American army would easily beat the Americans from 1930 considered "rabid modernists?" The same is fairly true with SW vs. ST, except that in the SW vs. ST debate the difference is tens of thousands of years of development, instead of seventy-five years.

Further, I know of not a single "rabid Warsie" who would not give any advantages to ST. The existence of practical, if extremely limited, transporters gives ST some logistical advantages over the Empire, even if they would almost certainly be a non-factor in combat itself. The existence of some weapons, like the TR-116 with the micro-transporter, would likely also be a small advantage, though a laughably small one during an actual battle. And warp drives, while significantly slower than hyperdrives, also provide a few of their own benefits, for example a use in tactical situations, during which ST ships do not have to exit real-space. These can also, of course, be disadvantages, but they also provide significant advantages in some situations.

There can clearly be rabid warsies that grant some advantages to ST, and there are quite clearly rabid Trekkies that can go the other way on some issues, however people who are willing to assert beliefs in violation of all logic and reason fall quite nicely into the realm of being rabid.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2002-10-06 04:21pm

Well, you see, this is exactly what i am saying. In star wars, they have some clear advantages over star trek, but star trek has some clear advantages over star wars. I just see no point in debating the two myself, although you might, i just think it is somewhat pointless.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 04:33pm

NF_Utvol wrote:Well, you see, this is exactly what i am saying. In star wars, they have some clear advantages over star trek, but star trek has some clear advantages over star wars. I just see no point in debating the two myself, although you might, i just think it is somewhat pointless.

It's just a hobby. We do it for fun.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-06 04:36pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
NF_Utvol wrote:Well, you see, this is exactly what i am saying. In star wars, they have some clear advantages over star trek, but star trek has some clear advantages over star wars. I just see no point in debating the two myself, although you might, i just think it is somewhat pointless.
It's just a hobby. We do it for fun.

Ditto

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-06 04:38pm

NF_Utvol wrote:Isolder74, you have the freakiest image of yoda i have ever seen, he looks dead and decomposing, lol

It look much better on the original picture but it got grainy when i converded it and chopped it down

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-10-06 05:30pm

Oh my GOD!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 05:55pm

Howedar wrote:Oh my GOD!

What?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-06 06:39pm

Originally posted by Howedar:
Oh my GOD!

You rang?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-06 07:14pm

Enlightenment wrote:
Vympel wrote: The truth is I've never seen a 'rabid Warsie'. What kind of stupid shit do they say? Any quotes?
I think everyone here knows (in the online sense) Mike Wong.

Another shining example of a rabid Warsie would be Rocketgirl over on SB. She once suggested that Trek fans should be called Trekists because it 'sounds like rapist.'

Worse. She wants a time machine so she can go back in time and kill Gene Roddenberry because ST hurt SW (according to her) even though ST came first...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 07:20pm

Alyeska wrote:
Enlightenment wrote:
Vympel wrote: The truth is I've never seen a 'rabid Warsie'. What kind of stupid shit do they say? Any quotes?
I think everyone here knows (in the online sense) Mike Wong.

Another shining example of a rabid Warsie would be Rocketgirl over on SB. She once suggested that Trek fans should be called Trekists because it 'sounds like rapist.'
Worse. She wants a time machine so she can go back in time and kill Gene Roddenberry because ST hurt SW (according to her) even though ST came first...

What? What is she talking about? How did ST hurt SW?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-06 07:24pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
Enlightenment wrote: I think everyone here knows (in the online sense) Mike Wong.

Another shining example of a rabid Warsie would be Rocketgirl over on SB. She once suggested that Trek fans should be called Trekists because it 'sounds like rapist.'
Worse. She wants a time machine so she can go back in time and kill Gene Roddenberry because ST hurt SW (according to her) even though ST came first...
What? What is she talking about? How did ST hurt SW?

She never really answered that question...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-06 07:25pm

Alyeska wrote: She never really answered that question...

Figures.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-10-06 07:30pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Alyeska wrote: She never really answered that question...
Figures.

Yeah. Generally Trolls who take one side or another are allowed to stay at SB because we laugh at them. RG was such a bad troll that she had to be threatened with bans on several occassions just to get her to stop. She even said that with her knowledge she has NOW she would rather be suddenly strapped into the cockpit of an X-wing flying in ANH rather then be in a ST Holodeck. She felt she was a better pilot then anyone else in the movie because she can pilot a jet in simulation.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-10-06 07:45pm

She also hates dogs cause she got bit by one as a kid. Git.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2002-10-06 07:49pm

Hehe, sadly, i havent had the honor of meating RG yet. As most of you know, i will usually take the side of Star Trek in any argument, although i do like star wars and know when to shut up (sometimes, lol). I bet we could exchange some kind words...

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-09 01:42pm

NF_Utvol wrote:Hehe, sadly, i havent had the honor of meating RG yet. As most of you know, i will usually take the side of Star Trek in any argument, although i do like star wars and know when to shut up (sometimes, lol). I bet we could exchange some kind words...

"Meating" RG...that sounds slightly obscene...

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-10-09 01:51pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:She also hates dogs cause she got bit by one as a kid. Git.

From what I've seen, it's more of a phobia.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-10-09 07:00pm

Everything about that site is so incredibly awful that I am wondering if it is supposed to be some sort of satire!? I mean, really! Anyone who can figure out how to set up images and the like has at least got to have the capacity to recognize the SpellCheck...

...right?

If the Star Trek and Bab5 people don't band together to end this embarassment, then the Empire should offer a quick mercy kill.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-09 08:11pm

I just like how it cuts and pastes ships together, destroying every ship's best attributes in the process.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-10-09 09:39pm

"kewl!!!111 i just cut and pastid 100 ships together and maid some crapy luking ship!!111

It's amazing what you can do with cut and paste and all 5 of your brain cells at work.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-14 10:08pm

NF_Utvol wrote:Ok, trekkies arent all bad. there are some of us who are decent trek and wars liking people. Of course, there are some of us we would rather others not see. Take a look at this website, as it is one of them that we would rather didnt put their work on the internet. Be warned, this is an atrocity from the start: www.viperfleetyards.mystarship.com

So dont stereotype us all into the one, 'rabid trekkie' genre, like we dont stereotype all wars fans into the 'rabid warsie' genre.

Hehe, im a TrekkieWarsie both at the same time!

Why did you expose us to that? We weren't hurting you. We would have let you go. But now... now you've melted our brains with that violent, violent stupidity. Damn you, Utvol. Damn you to hell!

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-10-15 12:45am

Another pathetic Trek site...Less enthusiasm and more ability, please...

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-10-15 01:47am

There are two ships on that site that I can stomach. The modified Intrepid with 4 nacels isn't too bad. The other one appears to be
an unmodified Omega Class Destroyer. The rest are just horrid.

The top one looks like someone went through a Trek junkyard and didn't know when to stop. The one with the Whitestar fron tacked on is a real head shaker bordering on WTF?

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