NVIDIA can fuck themselves sideways with a chainsaw....

GEC: Discuss gaming, computers and electronics and venture into the bizarre world of STGODs.

Moderator: Thanas

User avatar
MKSheppard
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Posts: 29842
Joined: 2002-07-06 06:34pm

NVIDIA can fuck themselves sideways with a chainsaw....

Post by MKSheppard »

I just discovered why my card keeps overheating with the
new Detonator drivers:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/for ... page16.asp

"However, NVIDIA's filtering in D3D applications and the cooling issue
we encountered with GeForce FX 5200 Ultra does leave us very
concerned. If you don't find yourself playing Halo or Tomb Raider
everyday, you may want to wait this driver release out until it's been
battle-tested a little bit longer. Detonator 44.03 certainly didn't
last long. Also, we highly recommend GeForce FX 5200 Ultra owners keep
a very close eye on their card's fan if they plan to upgrade to 52.16.
If you find that your fan does not operate after upgrading to 52.16,
revert back to 45.23 immediately. The new features and performance
gains seen here just aren't worth the risk of potentially damaging
your hardware.
I checked this by pulling my case off and checking the fan on my GeForce
FX 5200 Ultra and yep, it wasn't spinning. I then removed the latest
detonators and booted into Windows with just the bog standard 256 color
VGA driver and yep, the fan is spinning now....

What sort of fucking idiot makes the god damn SOFTWARE control the damn fan, and this is the fucking ULTRA line...
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong

"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
User avatar
MKSheppard
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Posts: 29842
Joined: 2002-07-06 06:34pm

Post by MKSheppard »

This problem has existed for several detonator revisions, and it's not
just ME who's having problems...what the fuck is NVIDIA doing?

I need to write a scathing letter...perhaps get the FTC in on it,
for false claims, since NVIDIA claims these new detonators increase
your performance, yet burn up your card by turning off the fan with
the 5200 Ultras :roll:
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong

"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
User avatar
MKSheppard
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Posts: 29842
Joined: 2002-07-06 06:34pm

Post by MKSheppard »

And the minisucle power savings caused by turning
off the fan is more than offset by the god damn power plug that
you have to plug the 5200 Ultra into...

It certainly isn't starved for energy to run... :roll:
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong

"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
User avatar
Zac Naloen
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5488
Joined: 2003-07-24 04:32pm
Location: United Kingdom

Post by Zac Naloen »

this could explain why my card keeps switching itself the fuck off when im playing games!!!

how can i downgrade it?

im a tard when it comes to this stuff...
Image
Member of the Unremarkables
Just because you're god, it doesn't mean you can treat people that way : - My girlfriend
Evil Brit Conspiracy - Insignificant guy
User avatar
MKSheppard
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Posts: 29842
Joined: 2002-07-06 06:34pm

Post by MKSheppard »

Zac, what kind of card do you have? A GeForce FX 5200 Ultra?

To downgrade it, go to add/remove programs and uninstall
the NVIDIA drivers.

Reboot.

Install the 44.03 drivers (which was the last set to work for me)
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong

"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
User avatar
Einhander Sn0m4n
Insane Railgunner
Posts: 18630
Joined: 2002-10-01 05:51am
Location: Louisiana... or Dagobah. You know, where Yoda lives.

Post by Einhander Sn0m4n »

MKSheppard wrote:This problem has existed for several detonator revisions, and it's not just ME who's having problems...what the fuck is NVIDIA doing?
Call me a cynical SOB, but are you also thinking nVidia's thinking "Not a bug, it's a FEATURE!!!!!!111"

$20 says that's exactly it... :roll:

And really, whose bonehead idea was it to control the COOLING system in software, and what the fuck is the burning (pun intended) need for it to TURN OFF at all in the first place!?!!?

EDIT: and if anyone screams "It's too noisy!" then you're a spoiled hypersensitive brat who *needs* to have your computer go up in smoke. It's it's a tiny cooling fan, not a huge noisy box fan! :evil: :finger: Get headphones, you phonophobic SOB..
Image Image
User avatar
Zac Naloen
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5488
Joined: 2003-07-24 04:32pm
Location: United Kingdom

Post by Zac Naloen »

i have a 5600 ultra, but my card keeps switching itself off during kotor... and some other games
Image
Member of the Unremarkables
Just because you're god, it doesn't mean you can treat people that way : - My girlfriend
Evil Brit Conspiracy - Insignificant guy
User avatar
The Kernel
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7438
Joined: 2003-09-17 02:31am
Location: Kweh?!

Post by The Kernel »

MKSheppard wrote:This problem has existed for several detonator revisions, and it's not
just ME who's having problems...what the fuck is NVIDIA doing?

I need to write a scathing letter...perhaps get the FTC in on it,
for false claims, since NVIDIA claims these new detonators increase
your performance, yet burn up your card by turning off the fan with
the 5200 Ultras :roll:
Shep, might I suggest you write you concerns to these guys?

watchdog@maximumpc.com

This is a Watchdog for a magazine I used to work for. They take stuff like your story and bring it to the manufacturers demanding a solution or they go to print with it. If they still don't get the message, they have hooked up several readers with lawyers (remember the whole IBM 75GXP lawsuit? Yeah, we started that).
User avatar
Jawawithagun
Jedi Master
Posts: 1141
Joined: 2002-10-10 07:05pm
Location: Terra Secunda

Post by Jawawithagun »

And that tiny graphics card fan is still the loudest thing in my PC! While the big fans usually can shovel the necessary amount of cooling air around at pretty low speed (and thus low noise) these tiny things have to work hard and speed up ... and thus are a lot louder at higher and more annoying frequency even.
"I said two shot to the head, not three." (Anonymous wiretap, Dallas, TX, 11/25/63)

Only one way to make a ferret let go of your nose - stick a fag up its arse!

there is no god - there is no devil - there is no heaven - there is no hell
live with it
- Lazarus Long
User avatar
Shinova
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10193
Joined: 2002-10-03 08:53pm
Location: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Post by Shinova »

Jawawithagun wrote:And that tiny graphics card fan is still the loudest thing in my PC! While the big fans usually can shovel the necessary amount of cooling air around at pretty low speed (and thus low noise) these tiny things have to work hard and speed up ... and thus are a lot louder at higher and more annoying frequency even.
How big is that fan?


Mines is a Ti4800 SE and its somewhere between 2 and 2.5 inches across, diameter.
What's her bust size!?

It's over NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!!!!!
User avatar
Jawawithagun
Jedi Master
Posts: 1141
Joined: 2002-10-10 07:05pm
Location: Terra Secunda

Post by Jawawithagun »

Standard 60mm thing.
"I said two shot to the head, not three." (Anonymous wiretap, Dallas, TX, 11/25/63)

Only one way to make a ferret let go of your nose - stick a fag up its arse!

there is no god - there is no devil - there is no heaven - there is no hell
live with it
- Lazarus Long
User avatar
phongn
Rebel Leader
Posts: 18487
Joined: 2002-07-03 11:11pm

Post by phongn »

It's a tiny fan, but it has to run at high RPMs to get good airflow, hence why it's loud. If you somehow bolted an 80mm fan on it'd be a lot quieter.
User avatar
Vertigo1
Defender of the Night
Posts: 4720
Joined: 2002-08-12 12:47am
Location: Tennessee, USA
Contact:

Post by Vertigo1 »

The Kernel wrote:(remember the whole IBM 75GXP lawsuit? Yeah, we started that).
Damn, I wish I had known that. I've got one. :P (What's funny is, a LLF fixed the clicking issue on the refirbed drive that I got back a year ago!)
"I once asked Rebecca to sing Happy Birthday to me during sex. That was funny, especially since I timed my thrusts to sync up with the words. And yes, it was my birthday." - Darth Wong

Leader of the SD.Net Gargoyle Clan | Spacebattles Firstone | Twitter
User avatar
Slartibartfast
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 6730
Joined: 2002-09-10 05:35pm
Location: Where The Sea Meets The Sky
Contact:

Post by Slartibartfast »

Well, I tried installing the detonator 5x on my geforce2 and it crashed every time on boot. I had to do a restore and install 44.something.
Image
User avatar
TrailerParkJawa
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5850
Joined: 2002-07-04 11:49pm
Location: San Jose, California

Post by TrailerParkJawa »

Nvidia's headquarters are 3-4 miles down the road. Anyone want me to go down there and yell at them? :wink:

Seriously though, Id bet they are way understaffed and somethings are just not getting fixed. If you drive by on a fricking Saturday night there are people in the parking lot and the lights are on. While this was not uncommon in the dot com days, it is a complete shock today.
MEMBER of the Anti-PETA Anti-Facist LEAGUE
User avatar
muse
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1818
Joined: 2003-11-26 07:04pm

Post by muse »

Pull the plug on the fan and hook it up to a power source other than the video card. This way the fan's always on and nothing the video card can do will shut it off. I did this to my CPU fan which is a variable speed one that ramps up & down with temperature. It never ramped up enough so I ended up snipping the sensor wire and hooking it directly to the power supply on the computer case. Now it runs on high all the time and my computer doesn't overheat and crash anymore.
ø¤ º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.)

I like Celine Dion myself. Her ballads alone....they make me go all teary-eyed and shit.
- Havok
User avatar
Rogue 9
Scrapping TIEs since 1997
Posts: 18679
Joined: 2003-11-12 01:10pm
Location: Classified
Contact:

Post by Rogue 9 »

Well, this is why I don't use NVIDIA cards. *Goes off to happily play Warcraft 3 using a functioning video card.* :P
User avatar
Hamel
Sith Marauder
Posts: 3842
Joined: 2003-02-06 10:34am
Contact:

Post by Hamel »

And they say ATI has the shitty drivers :roll:
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
User avatar
Vertigo1
Defender of the Night
Posts: 4720
Joined: 2002-08-12 12:47am
Location: Tennessee, USA
Contact:

Post by Vertigo1 »

TrailerParkJawa wrote:Nvidia's headquarters are 3-4 miles down the road. Anyone want me to go down there and yell at them? :wink:

Seriously though, Id bet they are way understaffed and somethings are just not getting fixed. If you drive by on a fricking Saturday night there are people in the parking lot and the lights are on. While this was not uncommon in the dot com days, it is a complete shock today.
Maybe you could yell at them for me over that Macrovision debacle. ;)
"I once asked Rebecca to sing Happy Birthday to me during sex. That was funny, especially since I timed my thrusts to sync up with the words. And yes, it was my birthday." - Darth Wong

Leader of the SD.Net Gargoyle Clan | Spacebattles Firstone | Twitter
User avatar
Arthur_Tuxedo
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5637
Joined: 2002-07-23 03:28am
Location: San Francisco, California

Re: NVIDIA can fuck themselves sideways with a chainsaw....

Post by Arthur_Tuxedo »

MKSheppard wrote:I just discovered why my card keeps overheating with the
new Detonator drivers:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/for ... page16.asp

"However, NVIDIA's filtering in D3D applications and the cooling issue
we encountered with GeForce FX 5200 Ultra does leave us very
concerned. If you don't find yourself playing Halo or Tomb Raider
everyday, you may want to wait this driver release out until it's been
battle-tested a little bit longer. Detonator 44.03 certainly didn't
last long. Also, we highly recommend GeForce FX 5200 Ultra owners keep
a very close eye on their card's fan if they plan to upgrade to 52.16.
If you find that your fan does not operate after upgrading to 52.16,
revert back to 45.23 immediately. The new features and performance
gains seen here just aren't worth the risk of potentially damaging
your hardware.
I checked this by pulling my case off and checking the fan on my GeForce
FX 5200 Ultra and yep, it wasn't spinning. I then removed the latest
detonators and booted into Windows with just the bog standard 256 color
VGA driver and yep, the fan is spinning now....

What sort of fucking idiot makes the god damn SOFTWARE control the damn fan, and this is the fucking ULTRA line...
Not to drag this off topic, but why the fuck did you get an FX5200 line card? I'd bet my GeForce 3 is faster. You should have asked for advice here before making a decision like that so everyone could have told you not to.
"I'm so fast that last night I turned off the light switch in my hotel room and was in bed before the room was dark." - Muhammad Ali

"Dating is not supposed to be easy. It's supposed to be a heart-pounding, stomach-wrenching, gut-churning exercise in pitting your fear of rejection and public humiliation against your desire to find a mate. Enjoy." - Darth Wong
User avatar
MKSheppard
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Posts: 29842
Joined: 2002-07-06 06:34pm

Re: NVIDIA can fuck themselves sideways with a chainsaw....

Post by MKSheppard »

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote: Not to drag this off topic, but why the fuck did you get an FX5200 line card?
Because the fucking GeForce 4 Ti we had burned up for some
strange reason, and because it was the only fucking
GeForce card within our price range of not being ridiculously expensive...
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong

"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
User avatar
Arthur_Tuxedo
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5637
Joined: 2002-07-23 03:28am
Location: San Francisco, California

Re: NVIDIA can fuck themselves sideways with a chainsaw....

Post by Arthur_Tuxedo »

MKSheppard wrote:Because the fucking GeForce 4 Ti we had burned up for some
strange reason, and because it was the only fucking
GeForce card within our price range of not being ridiculously expensive...
I see. Well my condolences then. *Orders 21 gun salute for the dear departed GF4*
"I'm so fast that last night I turned off the light switch in my hotel room and was in bed before the room was dark." - Muhammad Ali

"Dating is not supposed to be easy. It's supposed to be a heart-pounding, stomach-wrenching, gut-churning exercise in pitting your fear of rejection and public humiliation against your desire to find a mate. Enjoy." - Darth Wong
User avatar
Hamel
Sith Marauder
Posts: 3842
Joined: 2003-02-06 10:34am
Contact:

Post by Hamel »

My Gf4 Mx sucks some ass

Can't run shit for shat on it
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
User avatar
MKSheppard
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger
Posts: 29842
Joined: 2002-07-06 06:34pm

Post by MKSheppard »

Hamel wrote: Can't run shit for shat on it
Of course. MX cards are the spawn of satan. Merely warmed over
GeForce 2s
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong

"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
User avatar
The Kernel
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7438
Joined: 2003-09-17 02:31am
Location: Kweh?!

Post by The Kernel »

Yeah the GeForce MX was truly a piece of shit.

I just bought myself a 5900 non-ultra off Pricewatch for $195. Same chip and 256-bit memory bus as the 5900-ultra. With a little luck, I should be able to overclock it to 5900/5950 levels. Hot damn!
Post Reply