Gore endorses Dean

[Stormbringer]

The complete dumbfuck who needs Rove to change his diapers or the guy with no personality

Ahhh, the choices one makes in life

Ah, the carping and bitching of liberal whiners. Music to my ears.

[Hamel]

Keep yucking it up, boyeeeee

You won't be doing this when you get drafted for one of Bush's misadventures in the middle east

[Iceberg]

You in the election with one of the lowest voter turn-out rates in the last century?

If Gore hadn't waited until October to try to distinguish himself from Bush, he might have won the electoral vote as well as the popular vote.

Now if he just had a personality he might have generated some appeal beyond the party faithful. As it was none of the transplants took and he lost.

Yeah, 48% of the American electorate = only the party faithful. And that was with a (relatively) strong showing by Ralph Nader taking off just about 2% of the electorate, and without a strong alternate conservative siphoning votes away from Bush.

Right.

[theski]

Hamel wrote:
The complete dumbfuck who needs Rove to change his diapers or the guy with no personality

Ahhh, the choices one makes in life

Ahhhh I forgot Carl Rove is MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE

[Iceberg]

Don't underestimate the power of the scared/angry liberal. In the 2000 elections, many liberals figured there would be no difference between a Gore Administration and a Bush (II) Administration. This time there is no such illusion - ANY Democrat's administration is likely to be significantly different than what we got right now.

[Vympel]

Ah, the carping and bitching of liberal whiners. Music to my ears.

Go ahead, just try and pretend Bush isn't a complete moron, you know we're waiting for it.

[Stormbringer]

Yeah, 48% of the American electorate = only the party faithful. And that was with a (relatively) strong showing by Ralph Nader taking off just about 2% of the electorate, and without a strong alternate conservative siphoning votes away from Bush.

Right.

The party faithful of both side were about the only ones that got off their asses and voted. The simple fact is the election had one of the lowest turn out rates ever. That he got 48% of them doesn't mean he got 48% of the total population.

[Iceberg]

Kermit the Frog endorses Dean!

[Iceberg]

Yeah, 48% of the American electorate = only the party faithful. And that was with a (relatively) strong showing by Ralph Nader taking off just about 2% of the electorate, and without a strong alternate conservative siphoning votes away from Bush.

Right.

The party faithful of both side were about the only ones that got off their asses and voted. The simple fact is the election had one of the lowest turn out rates ever. That he got 48% of them doesn't mean he got 48% of the total population.

The theory behind elections is that the portion of the population which votes is sufficient to be a representative sample of the population at large. The chance that the views of the people who didn't vote are significantly different from those who did vote is vanishingly small with a sample size of a hundred and twenty million or so.

[Stormbringer]

The theory behind elections is that the portion of the population which votes is sufficient to be a representative sample of the population at large. The chance that the views of the people who didn't vote are significantly different from those who did vote is vanishingly small with a sample size of a hundred and twenty million or so.

That's the theory anyway, but that doesn't mean that's how it works. In practice in a dull election like this it represents only those that chose to vote, which by and large tend to be the party faithful.


I suspect that had the ballots had a neither option it would have been a landslide.

[Iceberg]

The theory behind elections is that the portion of the population which votes is sufficient to be a representative sample of the population at large. The chance that the views of the people who didn't vote are significantly different from those who did vote is vanishingly small with a sample size of a hundred and twenty million or so.

That's the theory anyway, but that doesn't mean that's how it works. In practice in a dull election like this it represents only those that chose to vote, which by and large tend to be the party faithful.

Have you any evidence to suggest that the election of 2000 was any less representative than any other? Other than wishful thinking, that is?

I suspect that had the ballots had a neither option it would have been a landslide.

Funny, Nevada's ballot has the "neither" option and there was no landslide there.

[Stormbringer]

Have you any evidence to suggest that the election of 2000 was any less representative than any other? Other than wishful thinking, that is?

Hmmm, how about the record low turn out? If that many people really wanted either of the candidates in office they might have voted. As it is I see a profound apathy.

Funny, Nevada's ballot has the "neither" option and there was no landslide there.

All ballots do, it's called another candidate. That was sarcastic joke you know.

[Iceberg]

After carefully considering Ralph Nader's proposal for the Green Party, Kermit the Frog also chose to endorse Howard Dean.

[RedImperator]

The Gore endorsement is important because Gore still has a lot of credibility with the intellectual left (college professors, journalists, rich guilty liberals, etc.), who might not otherwise trust Dean's credentials. That group doesn't amout to a whole lot of voters by themselves, but they're an important constituency in the primary and they can swing a lot of voters Dean's way in the general election. Note that Gore's endorsement itself won't carry much weight in the general election--among the general population, even those who voted for him, he's largely remembered as just the guy who lost in 2000.

[Beowulf]

Keep yucking it up, boyeeeee

You won't be doing this when you get drafted for one of Bush's misadventures in the middle east

A draft is impossible. I don't feel like enumerating the reasons right now... I have to go to bed so I can wake up in time to take the EPDT tomorrow morning.

[Death from the Sea]

Lately I have not been big on watching the news since I have been job hunting and prepping for graduation from college but until yesterday I thought that Kerry was Dean, until I saw a picture on the news of Gore with Dean and then they showed some of the other hopefuls and the pic of Kerry . I don't even remember what Dean looks like. I am not the only one who doesn't know of these folks too well, I asked around at work and no one can really name or pick out the canidates pictures.
Why is it that the democrats have so many possible caniadates? and why don't people know them?

[His Divine Shadow]

By abandoning what Clinton proved beyond a shadow of a doubt TWICE that the Dems can only win running in the center, they have now handed W the presidency. Go Democrats, way to prove how utterly retarded the leadership is.

I dunno, I think Dean has a chance.

[Sea Skimmer]

Go ahead, just try and pretend Bush isn't a complete moron, you know we're waiting for it.

I'm amused by the attempts of people to pretend anyone in politics isn't an idiot, you'd have to be one simply to get involved, at least in a manner beyound donating money for favors.

[Iceberg]

Have you any evidence to suggest that the election of 2000 was any less representative than any other? Other than wishful thinking, that is?

Hmmm, how about the record low turn out? If that many people really wanted either of the candidates in office they might have voted. As it is I see a profound apathy.

Funny thing: YOU'RE WRONG.

2000 saw only slightly fewer voters than 1992, and FAR more than the elections in 1996, 1988, 1984 and 1980.

(source: http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/results/restable.html)

If anything, the voter turnout in 2000 and 2002 (Minnesota in 2002 saw a turnout of 80% of the registered electorate) indicates an increasing interest in the political process, not decreasing.

[Symmetry]

yeah, the guy who won on peace and prosperity and couldn't win his own home state

Irrelevant. Roughly half of those who voted voted for Gore. Not everyone hates him, far from it. His endorsement does mean something for Dean.

Um, you ignore the possability of a large number of people (myself included) who though that they were both horrid candidates. I mean look at Gore, hes a huge technocrat. And Bush is a fundie. Now, normally I find technocrats more palatable than fundies, but Gore is more of a technocrat than Bush is a religious fundamentalist, so I ended up voting third party.

I'd like it if the democrats put someone good out there, but I'm not sure I can stomach anyone who talks about "re-regulating" buisness.

[Symmetry]

Ah, the carping and bitching of liberal whiners. Music to my ears.

Go ahead, just try and pretend Bush isn't a complete moron, you know we're waiting for it.

He isn't. Nobody gets to be a presidential candidate without a lot of intelligence, talent, and ambition. He might like to present himself as 'folksy' on TV but I don't doubt he's pretty smart, even if he isn't a details person.