I hate to bring up such an old topic, but I am wondering about something.
Elsewhere on the internet I am having a discussion with someone who claims that since there aren't any actual names of people who were denied a vote, that it didn't actually happen. He says this in spite of the fact that there was more than a 15% error rate in the names that were stricken from the voter rolls because they were similar to that of ex-felons. Is this not logically fallacious? My reasoning is that people who were unfairly stricken from the rolls might not necessarily be coming forward.
The error rate was insane. You don't get innacuracies that big unless the methods were intentionally messed with. The truth is that DBT told Florida the felon list would be horribly innacurate, but Jeb Bush told them to go ahead with it.
That someone you're talking to is quite a fucking dumbass.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
Natorgator wrote:Was it Harris, or Jeb? I can't remember which, not that it really matters.
Directly to Jeb, IIRC.
What also happened, that you don't hear about often, was the automatic voting machines in black areas (defined as 25%+ black) swallowing spoiled ballots, while in white areas (5% or less black), the machines were set to return the ballots for correction. Looking at the error rate for the felon list and everything else, it's beyond obvious that blacks, seeing as how they vote over 90% dem in Florida, were targetted for fraud.
Greg Palast goes into the nitty gritty details in The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, which I've wanted to read but havn't yet.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
I did a search, and found some useful info from a Slashdot post from March of either this year or last.
Blue Stone (582566) wrote:DBT said that they were deliberately instructed by Jed bush's office to make the databases only 90% accurate. They also said that they were also, slightly later told to make them only 80% accurate.
Here's a quote from "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy:"
"How could ChoicePoint (DBT's parent company) such an expert outfit, do such a horrendous job, without complaint from their client (The State of Florida?) You'd think their client, the state, ordered them to get it wrong.
"They did...ChoicePoint vice president James Lee called us at the BBC's London studios with the first hint that the state of Florida instructed the company to give them the names of innocents. The state, he said, "wanted there to be more names than were actually verified as being a convicted felon." What an extraordinary statement."
"Lee said [to the McKinney panel] the state had given DBT the truly insane directive to add to the purge list people who matched 90% of a last name - If "Anderson" committed a crime, "Andersen" lost his vote. DBT objected, knowing this would sweep in a huge number of innocents. The state then went further and ordered DBT to shift to an 80% match. it was programmed in inaccuracy...
...felon Thomas Clarence could knock off Clarence Thomas. Middle initials were skipped..."
Correct the list? Remove those "not a felon"? The state, says DBT, told the company, Forget about it."
Also racial matches ensured that only black voters were knocked off the voting lists.
Race was treated as a verifier; racial matches were "proof" that the right person had been named. Therfore a black felon named Willie Whiting wiped out the registration of an innocent Willie Witing (Black) but not the rights of an innocent Will Whiting (White.)
Jed Bush also saw how the voting machines could be set to accept or reject "spoilt" ballots, before they were installed.
That's just the tiniest thread of a patchwork of evidence contained in 80 pages of Palast's investigation; it's far more complicated than I can easily summise here
There was a program on the Sundance channel that covered some of this stuff from the post.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
What I still don't get is why the U.S. doesn't simply go to the old standby of marking a box on a piece of box with a pencil. The single major voting irregularity in the last Federal election in Canada was that someone grabbed a box of ballots and threw them in the local sewage lagoon. It only takes a few hours for the cound, and you have a standardized system.
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Graeme Dice wrote:What I still don't get is why the U.S. doesn't simply go to the old standby of marking a box on a piece of box with a pencil.
It's very time-consuming to tear off pieces of the box for each new voter
You know I was wondering why that sentence didn't make sense to me ...
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And none of this would have mattered if Gore had won his home state...
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Beowulf wrote:And none of this would have mattered if Gore had won his home state...
Red herring. I'm surprised the VRWC took so long to make use of it in this thread.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
Consequently, the Parasite Party starts with a guaranteed 40 percent of the vote. They could run a muskrat for president, they could run a stalk of asparagus, they could run an insane person – in fact that appears to be their plan for next year – and the Democrats would get 40 percent of the vote.
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theski wrote:Thanks to Ann Coulter for this quote...
Consequently, the Parasite Party starts with a guaranteed 40 percent of the vote. They could run a muskrat for president, they could run a stalk of asparagus, they could run an insane person – in fact that appears to be their plan for next year – and the Democrats would get 40 percent of the vote.
Of course that also holds true for the Republicans.
It's that 20% swing vote that determines election winners.
What also happened, that you don't hear about often, was the automatic voting machines in black areas (defined as 25%+ black) swallowing spoiled ballots, while in white areas (5% or less black), the machines were set to return the ballots for correction. Looking at the error rate for the felon list and everything else, it's beyond obvious that blacks, seeing as how they vote over 90% dem in Florida, were targetted for fraud.
Sources?
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Which doesnot account for the people who were stricken from the voter rolls.
Actually, the biggest problem was ineligible felons being added to the voters rolls. More than 6,500 ineligible felons voted, and that's not even the number of them who could have voted. It appears that this whole thing was just a mistake.
But never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malicious Republicans.
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theski wrote:Thanks to Ann Coulter for this quote...
Consequently, the Parasite Party starts with a guaranteed 40 percent of the vote. They could run a muskrat for president, they could run a stalk of asparagus, they could run an insane person – in fact that appears to be their plan for next year – and the Democrats would get 40 percent of the vote.
You done trolling my thread, orange molester?
Durran wrote:Actually, the biggest problem was ineligible felons being added to the voters rolls. More than 6,500 ineligible felons voted, and that's not even the number of them who could have voted. It appears that this whole thing was just a mistake.
But never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malicious Republicans.
Hanlon's Razor is bullshit, and you're misusing it here. It's an established fact (by research and admission) that DBT was told to fuck with the methods used to identify felons. Clearly, this is malice, unless you live in the 4th dimension.
Glocksman wrote:Sources?
Greg Palast's book, mentioned earlier in the thread.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
Note: I paid Nator a handsome sum for ownership of this thread
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
He says this in spite of the fact that there was more than a 15% error rate in the names that were stricken from the voter rolls because they were similar to that of ex-felons. Is this not logically fallacious? My reasoning is that people who were unfairly stricken from the rolls might not necessarily be coming forward.
