Tarot, Palms, Other Clairvoyancies (& Homosexuality?)

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 10:03am

Good Ghost examples.

I am charging my phone on the window sill (window is closed). I am changing my clothes. My friend Lilly is outside waiting for me. For whatever reason, I step out into hallway with her, and door is wide open. We walk back in less than thirty seconds later. Phone is on floor, upside down.

I am at work, tearing tickets. There is a wet spot in front of my podium, and it looks like something has been dripping from the ceiling. Gets mopped up. Dries. Happens again. We have to move the podium up because concession ines are so long. Podium ends up on top of spot where water spot was. Podium never gets wet. Wet spot next day.

At work, doing stock. I am faced one way, manager faced other way, we're ten feet apart. Nobody in between. Six buckets of pickles fall over randomly.

I have more examples, if you wish,

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-07 10:04am

Bean, he said someone close to you, not necessarily you.

Lagmonster, you are not attuned to ghosts, but some people are.

weemadando, there are a bunch of "false prophets" who claim to be psychics out there. Those people are just trying to take innocent believers' money. So, never hack it until you've actually tried it by a true psychic.

Good luck, verilon.

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-10-07 10:08am

Lagmonster wrote:Hah. I watch that 'world's scariest places' show on YTV here in Canada, where they pitch a family into a haunted place at night and watch them freak out. It's hilarious.

Since I don't believe in ghosts, it's easier to get scared, then come out of it the next morning and laugh about it. Just develop the mindset that whatever it is, it's not hurting you, just spooking you. Treat it objectively. Pry. You'll find yourself a lot less terrified. I've never seen any 'ghosts', and I'm not 'attuned', but I've seen things move for no explicable reason, and I find it cool each time.

Actually I know a few people who have had experiences with somewhat harmful "ghosts/spirts" including some damn good tales of possession-like states. Hysteria or otherwise? I don't know, I wasn't there (thsi occured in Malaysia).

Also the majority of spirits in Aboriginal myth (theoretically what I have to worry about, living in Australia and all) are malevolent so...

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 10:09am

Kelly Antilles wrote:Lagmonster, you are not attuned to ghosts, but some people are.

And thankful, too. I like to be able to enjoy the thrill of the experience, the prickly neck sensation, while not being scarred for life like some 'ghost survivors' I'd read about.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 10:11am

"ghost survivors." heh. There are worse tales that any can imagine, and there are those that won't tell them--for just that reason. Now, I have dealt with ghosts before, and everybody at the dollar theatre here concludes that the place is haunted. But yes, sometimes I wish I would rather not be attuned. It's really hard, knowing the things that I know, knowing that people will get hurt, but it is also joyful knowing that things will always work out for certain people.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-07 10:15am

My friend knew his neice (who was only six or seven) was going to die within a year. He even knew how. It still hurt him when it actually happened. He hates that he can see that future.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-07 10:21am

Bean, he said someone close to you, not necessarily you.

Oh no POOR FUFFLY!

Seriously like I've mentioned before, I move around ALOT

Not just Alittle, But allot

Allow me to give you a good example, In the past four years I have lived in at least over two months

California, Indiania, Ketucky, North Cariolina, Virginia, and South Carilona

In March I'll be spending two months on retret in the hills and foresets of Michigan and some family I've never met(Mainly its to spend time away from the Internet, basicly since 95 I've spent at least two hours a day on the computer during school then collage because it was nessary then because I was paid to do it I got up to eight or so

I want to see what happens with two months without the internet, I'm preidicting massive seasures and a lack of will to live but maybe I'll suprise myself

) then its off to Florida for a few months to get re-certifed in a few things plus brush up on few technical things

Next year(probably year after next) I expect to be spending time in Japan and after that Switerzland or the old UK

This Decemeber I'll be spending in Connecitect to catch up with some old friends

I tend to move around quite a bit

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 10:25am

I did also say that it was within the next year, and don't push me.

And I would assume that you have family, so I wouldn't be too careless. Anything could happen, and it doesn't have to be a natural disaster. Killing, car crash, you know, that kind of good stuff.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 10:25am

verilon wrote:"ghost survivors." heh. There are worse tales that any can imagine, and there are those that won't tell them--for just that reason. Now, I have dealt with ghosts before, and everybody at the dollar theatre here concludes that the place is haunted.

You should talk to Brian Bethel. He's a writer from Texas. Great all round guy. Believes in ghosts, psychics, and the rest. Also responsible for some of the most entertaining and freaky ghost stories around. If anyone shows interest, I'll dig up a link. He's a great, short read for any ghosthounds.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-07 10:26am

I'm not quite getting what your moving around alot has to do with this?

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 10:27am

Ghosts are not entertainment. In fact, they are a thorough pain in the butt.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 10:30am

verilon wrote:Ghosts are not entertainment. In fact, they are a thorough pain in the butt.

Everything is entertainment, lad. It's all in how you look at it. Hell, they made movies about the holocaust. Something doesn't have to be fun to be entertaining. Besides, if you really do believe, don't you think that viewing any lighter side helps you from becoming too entrenched in the fears your reality ladles onto you?

Besides which, Bethel is deadly serious. He just has a knack for putting things into words that makes the stories riveting. Try this on for size.
http://www.ghosts.org/stories/tales/evil-kids.html

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-07 10:33am

And I would assume that you have family, so I wouldn't be too careless.

Oooh missed the boat on that one

Once said to me, remeber the part where I mentioned I a date from a girl who though she had powers?
Date to be:I sense somthing will happen to your father
Me:He's going to come back to life? He's been dead for twenty years
DTB:Umm maybe your mother?
Me:Wormfood as well for five years now
DTB:Grandparents?
Me:Hmm Grandpa is scattered in tiny peices accross Korea along with his jet and my Grandmother snufed the life of an Collage Art student
DTB:Aunts? Uncles?
Me:hmmm theres a possbility....

I don't have close family anymore though that can always change

*Gasp am I doomed to live as Kirk was? Meeting beatful women then having them die one by one in unlikely accidents?
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

.....
Hey wait thats not so bad, no complications, heck its praticly idea
For me anyway, I pity all the nice people I won't be knowing for very long

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 10:39am

You actually expected me to believe that? Hah! Ghosts are not normally wantingto be visible to humans, unless for malicious reasons. These obvioucly were, but the story was cheesy and unreliable. I know what ghosts are like, and they are not this kind. Either they are not visible, they are playful, or they hide out in the dark and only come out then. (Don't let me get started on my motel room experiences or my Oklahoma experience.)

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 10:41am

Sblings? Cousins? Aunts? Uncles?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-07 10:50am

Sblings? Cousins? Aunts? Uncles?

Hmm dead, dead...dead... deead

Yep that bug is dead!
Now to your question

Non-existant, I've only met two of twenty or so, eight in total, met three, and five in total met 1

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 10:51am

verilon wrote:You actually expected me to believe that? Hah! Ghosts are not normally wanting to be visible to humans, unless for malicious reasons. These obviously were, but the story was cheesy and unreliable. I know what ghosts are like, and they are not this kind. Either they are not visible, they are playful, or they hide out in the dark and only come out then. (Don't let me get started on my motel room experiences or my Oklahoma experience.)

I didn't claim they were real, I claimed he was serious about them. In fact, he didn't even think they were ghosts, but something else. Okay, tell me YOUR story. I told you, I'm a collector. I want to hear your tales of the spooky and odd.

Oh, and I should have given you a better story, one that actually applies to ghosts, straight up. You're right, that was my call, because I happen to like that 'evil kids' story specifically.
http://www.ghosts.org/stories/tales/asu-ghost.html

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-10-07 11:15am

Verilon, you ask a question about supernatural stuff to a bunch of people who feel it is our soul pupose to destroy people who believe in debunk, illogical, irational chains of thought that cannot be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Tarots and other future portraying methods work on the basis of vagueness. Is it entertaining, it can be, can it make a desicion for the better, perhaps, will it always work, no. Tarot only draws out vague similarities of all humans by chance of luck of draw and probability. It is then interperited and given to the one seeking the reading in vague bits to let them decipher for themselves and the reader, who then participates in a little psycoanalysis and points the troubled individual (that is usually the kind of people who go to fortune tellers in the first place) towards a path that seems to be the best for them, or just ends it there and leaves them to ponder the dusted off truths that they already knew or ponder how the hell probablity pulled up some of the cards. Vagueness, luck of draw, and the natural troubles and emotions of humans put in written meaning and attributed to each card, that is what tarot is. Fortune tellers are just psycoanalyzers who start very vague and home in on the situation by playing a mind trick that forces the individual to divulge all the information the teller wants. And palm reading is the same as tarot. Its all just Frued to me.

victorhadin · Post by **victorhadin** » 2002-10-07 11:24am

verilon wrote:
victorhadin wrote:
verilon wrote: If I knew you well enough, and you told me some stuff that you don't normally tell other people, yes. But I could also tell you that you're gonna be a happy person in the near future, say a few weeks. Feel free to hold me to that, too. I think it has something to do with a female.
Oh, take any given few weeks in university time and chances are a woman will make me feel happy at some point, along with the occasional one that makes me think "aaargh! I'll never drink again!"

Still far too vague, but hey. I have work to do and it makes me feel happy so I'll take it and run.
Case in point: I did not know you were at a unioversity.

Well that's kinda besides the point. Given the rather hectic nature of my university life, I would place your 'woman making you happy' in the 'spend an interesting night with a woman category'. In the times I am generally being more sedentary, I would simply change the goalposts to a different definition of 'making me happy'. Since in any given couple of weeks someone will certainly make me happy (it'd be a godawful set of weeks for that not to happen) clearly a fair percentage of the time it will be a woman doing so, regardless of the personal definitions I lay down for 'make me happy'.

Or to put it another way, I could say that a man or a woman (pick your prophecy) would make you happy in the next two weeks, and chances are I'd be right. I could even go out on a limb and say 'I foresee that a relative of yours will make you happy' and chances are it will happen.

Associations are where you find them.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 11:34am

Larz wrote:Verilon, you ask a question about supernatural stuff to a bunch of people who feel it is our soul pupose to destroy people who believe in debunk, illogical, irational chains of thought that cannot be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

We all have our little bogeymen. I know people who laugh at religion, sneer at UFOs and scoff at the supernatural, but who are dead-convinced that there's a secret government agency out to control them. Everyone I've met or heard about, no matter how logical, has at least something that they cling to despite its irrationality, because it gives them comfort or purpose to believe in it. I don't think I've ever met a true universal skeptic or cynic in this world, or one who didn't have any irrational fears or beliefs at all.

victorhadin · Post by **victorhadin** » 2002-10-07 11:35am

On an aside, I have heard that the majority of people who believe is ESP and psychic powers believe themselves to be slightly psychic.

If true, this says a lot.

victorhadin · Post by **victorhadin** » 2002-10-07 11:37am

Lagmonster wrote:
Larz wrote:Verilon, you ask a question about supernatural stuff to a bunch of people who feel it is our soul pupose to destroy people who believe in debunk, illogical, irational chains of thought that cannot be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
We all have our little bogeymen. I know people who laugh at religion, sneer at UFOs and scoff at the supernatural, but who are dead-convinced that there's a secret government agency out to control them. Everyone I've met or heard about, no matter how logical, has at least something that they cling to despite its irrationality, because it gives them comfort or purpose to believe in it. I don't think I've ever met a true universal skeptic or cynic in this world, or one who didn't have any irrational fears or beliefs at all.

The number 7.

The number 4.

And numbers ending in 4.

And numbers that are multiples of 7.

And two or more digit numbers ending in a 1.

And numbers endging in 7.

And.... well, that's half the numbers in existance classified by me as lucky.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 02:00pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Sblings? Cousins? Aunts? Uncles?
Hmm dead, dead...dead... deead

Yep that bug is dead!
Now to your question

Non-existant, I've only met two of twenty or so, eight in total, met three, and five in total met 1

Surely you have had somebody close to you at some point in your life, whether you remember them or not. Whether they are related to you or not. I don't believe I've ever stipulated that it was a relative.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-10-07 02:01pm

Lagmonster wrote:
Larz wrote:Verilon, you ask a question about supernatural stuff to a bunch of people who feel it is our soul pupose to destroy people who believe in debunk, illogical, irational chains of thought that cannot be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
We all have our little bogeymen. I know people who laugh at religion, sneer at UFOs and scoff at the supernatural, but who are dead-convinced that there's a secret government agency out to control them. Everyone I've met or heard about, no matter how logical, has at least something that they cling to despite its irrationality, because it gives them comfort or purpose to believe in it. I don't think I've ever met a true universal skeptic or cynic in this world, or one who didn't have any irrational fears or beliefs at all.

You KNOW about the secret government agency

... I know there isn't a pure skeptic or cynic out there, and it may have been foolish of me to start of that reply with that. But it was more in response to Verilons offense of the bashing. To bring up such a topic is bound to bring heat, because this forum is a very opinionated one. Anyway, the point of the post shouldn't be lost because I started off on the wrong foot. The arguement isn't about whether people have queer fears and paranoias, for if it was about that this would be an open and closed topic. Well, thats lunch for me, time for some cashew chicken ^_^

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 02:03pm

Larz wrote:Verilon, you ask a question about supernatural stuff to a bunch of people who feel it is our soul pupose to destroy people who believe in debunk, illogical, irational chains of thought that cannot be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Tarots and other future portraying methods work on the basis of vagueness. Is it entertaining, it can be, can it make a desicion for the better, perhaps, will it always work, no. Tarot only draws out vague similarities of all humans by chance of luck of draw and probability. It is then interperited and given to the one seeking the reading in vague bits to let them decipher for themselves and the reader, who then participates in a little psycoanalysis and points the troubled individual (that is usually the kind of people who go to fortune tellers in the first place) towards a path that seems to be the best for them, or just ends it there and leaves them to ponder the dusted off truths that they already knew or ponder how the hell probablity pulled up some of the cards. Vagueness, luck of draw, and the natural troubles and emotions of humans put in written meaning and attributed to each card, that is what tarot is. Fortune tellers are just psycoanalyzers who start very vague and home in on the situation by playing a mind trick that forces the individual to divulge all the information the teller wants. And palm reading is the same as tarot. Its all just Frued to me.

Haha! So you're sayin gthat every little symbol representing something in that person's life, and then connecting, is an irrational belief. I know for a fact that you, sir, have even had a Tarot reading before. And Tarot is not the "luck of the draw" you make it out to be. It is chance, yes, that these cards pop out and mean these things, but don't you think it is a bit eerie that they mean what they mean, considering what questions people ask? Palm reading, I dunno. I've never done palms.