Kindergarden behaviour by the US

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-12-11 06:05pm

Let us wait and see who pitches a bitch, and who ponys up.
This is very simple, no helping the cause, well then, no helping yourself to the pie!
Why is such a simple one for one denounced as so unfair?
Could it be, the denouncers are not helpers?

Like I said.

Anyone NOT see this coming?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-12-11 06:06pm

Knife wrote: But France and Russia, who have not only been against the war, but in my view, actively worked against the US durring the war, shouldn't get JACK SHIT.

Actively worked against the US? How?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-12-11 06:07pm

His Divine Shadow wrote: Yes, yes, you managed to make yourself look like idiots and you're proud of it.

Too bad you Euros wont' get the contracts to rebuild the stuff you built
ten years ago and that just got blown up again

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-11 06:20pm

EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:This is very simple, no helping the cause, well then, no helping yourself to the pie!

Bullshit. Canada contributed troops in Afghanistan and ships in the Gulf, and got blacklisted because we wouldn't go the last step of putting troops on the ground (which we couldn't do anyway due to manpower limits). Our only "crime" was to say that we didn't agree with the war. Even as we speak, Shrubby is trying to convince France and Germany to forgive billions in Iraqi debt, while simultaneously telling them that they're being blacklisted for not helping out. If you don't want to admit that the Bush Administration is acting like a bunch of infantile little dipshits, you've got your head buried in the sand.

Why is such a simple one for one denounced as so unfair?

Because it's not that simple.

Could it be, the denouncers are not helpers?

In Canada's case, wrong.

Like I said.

Anyone NOT see this coming?

Oh, we all saw it coming. We predicted it back before the war when the Neo-Cons were gushing about how it was a war of liberation rather than conquest, and that the US wouldn't be treating the country as war booty afterwards (you know, the war booty that you're now saying belongs legitimately to the US and not to the "denouncers"). Remember? Funny how Alzheimer's can strike at such a young age nowadays.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-12-11 06:23pm

Bush continues his winning strategy of making the collective diplomats of world history vomit in their graves.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-12-11 06:24pm

This is OUR Tar Baby now.
You want in on the gold, you wade with us through the sewers.
We have been told so many times, this is unilateral.
To paraphrase Haviland Tuf, (Captain of the Ark, the last remaining EcoWarship of the vanished first Terran Empire.)
"If I am to be labeled a monster, and carry the consequences of such a title, it then behooves me to act monstously, and gain the advantages that go with being monstous."
The old Solviet Union knew this, and acted accordingly.

(All hail Matre Rodina)

We are immune to scolding now.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-12-11 06:25pm

EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:Anyone every heared of the fable, "The little Red Hen?"

Should be a little adapted:

Anyone every heared of the fable, "The little Red Hen?"
The little Red Hen wanted to take attention away from the farms own problems, so she saw the neighboring farm weak and pitiful, and got to work on invading it. Seeing how this was a lot of work, and help would be nice, she shouted out to the barn,
"Who will help me invade the neighboring farm?"
"Not I," said Piggley Wiggley,
"Not I," said Turkey Lurkey,
"Not I," said Foxy Loxy, (ECT..)
The little Red Hen did the work, and She then needed to controll the restless subjects at the now devastated farm.
"Who will help me police the neighboring farm?" cried the little Red Hen.
"Not I," said Piggley Wiggley,

(*something something*)

When the Little Red Hen was done doing all the work, she said,
"Who will help me rebuild the neighboring farm?"
"I will!" shouted Foxy Loxy, Turkey Lurkey, Piggley Wiggley, Doggy Woggy, Catty Kitty, and Mousy Wousey all at one.

"I think not," said the little Red Hen, and rebuilt the neighboring farm alone.

These countries have a lot of nerve asking for goodies, after making it harder on us than needed.
My outrage cancels YOUR outrage, so now that outrage is off the table, just WHY should we NOT punish those who made it tougher on us?

You made it tough on yourself.
By not acting like pompous assholes you could have gotten the others behind you, then again alot of people still think the war was uneccessary, the Iraqis couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery, but Al-Qaeda can fuck you up with some paper and gasoline, they're an army of brown MacGyvers.

If Bush had any sense of priorities he should have dealt with Al-Qaeda first, instead of pissing off nearly the whole muslim world and also managing the rest by his sterling cowboy behaviour, he's just making the situation worse.
The war was strategical screwup and the damage is done, atleast the europeans could have helped in rebuilding if not destroying.

This is more than just about money.

It's about revenge, it's not about helping iraq at all.
It's not like it's our fault Saddam was allowed to get into power anyway, you want help cleaning up your own mess if we look further back, we gave help in -91 because you didn't trample around like a rhino on cocaine then.

This is to let the world know, we are a changed nation, and our patience and forgivness should no longer be considered a given.

Can't get what you don't give out.

You cross us, and there will be consequences.

We're quaking in our boots, really.
How 'bout some embargos? See who can take that hit? There's power in economy too, not just guns.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-11 06:34pm

EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:"If I am to be labeled a monster, and carry the consequences of such a title, it then behooves me to act monstously, and gain the advantages that go with being monstous."
The old Solviet Union knew this, and acted accordingly.

If you think the US is using the old Soviet Union as its model, then why are you objecting to the criticism?

We are immune to scolding now.

Hardly. If you were, then you wouldn't be getting upset and arguing with it as you are doing right now. You want to have your cake and eat it too; claim noble aspirations while simultaneously getting away with infantile nonsense such as the Bush Administration is pulling right now.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-12-11 06:40pm

EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:We are immune to scolding now.

Those who say such are often those who aren't, and here again we see this to be true.

"Well, you didn't help us go in there!"
"You supported <Name of bad thing/person/whatever>!"

Someone who was really immune to scolding and criticism wouldn't give any excuses.. They'd just do it. And not go scurrying to the UN or NATO later.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-12-11 07:04pm

Canada will get it's share.
http://canada.com/components/printstory ... 647612DC78

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-11 07:59pm

EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:Canada will get it's share.
http://canada.com/components/printstory ... 647612DC78

I wonder why he changed his mind, if in fact he did.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-12-11 08:47pm

Nice..amazing how many lessones America has learnt from the British. Well we always knew it was never about WMD's or Saddam or the 'freedom' or Iraqi's..nope, just corporate welfare

Government of Iraq
By American proxies
For American corporations.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-11 09:51pm

I'm so proud of my president

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-12-11 10:54pm

EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:This is OUR Tar Baby now.
You want in on the gold, you wade with us through the sewers.
We have been told so many times, this is unilateral.
To paraphrase Haviland Tuf, (Captain of the Ark, the last remaining EcoWarship of the vanished first Terran Empire.)
"If I am to be labeled a monster, and carry the consequences of such a title, it then behooves me to act monstously, and gain the advantages that go with being monstous."
The old Soviet Union knew this, and acted accordingly.

And we see where it got them, didn't we?

We are immune to scolding now.

Yes... So says every empire before the inevitable slide downward.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-12-11 11:09pm

Patrick Degan wrote: Yes... So says every empire before the inevitable slide downward.

Hmm, sort of like we slid downwards in the late 1970s? How the American
Empire was coming to an end?

We always reinvent ourselves for a new
decade.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-12-11 11:17pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote: Yes... So says every empire before the inevitable slide downward.
Hmm, sort of like we slid downwards in the late 1970s? How the American
Empire was coming to an end? We always reinvent ourselves for a new
decade.

Yeah and the sun never sets on the British Empire right?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-12-12 07:09am

Why generalize the entire US when its George Fucking Bush who is responsible for a large part of this shit? The sad part is that Dubya is going to get re-elected since A) The economy seems to be recovering somewhat, and B) the damn Democrats can't come up with a fucking candidate!

I hereby pledge my vote for Bill Clinton. He could run again this year if he wanted to technically. i don't care if i'm throwing the vote away because there isn't going to be one person on the ballot who I want running the country.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-12-12 07:24am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Why generalize the entire US when its George Fucking Bush who is responsible for a large part of this shit?

Sorry, but Bush speaks and acts for the US, it is the US that are doing what he says, it's only proper to speak of it as the country as a whole in that regard, even if we don't mention that we know that not all the US citizens agrees with Bush and his policies.

We're not attempting to generalize it's citizens, it's just that the country, the USA, does what Bush and his adminstration decrees, it is only proper to refer to the country as a singular entity.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-12-12 08:00am

Darth Fanboy wrote:I hereby pledge my vote for Bill Clinton. He could run again this year if he wanted to technically. i don't care if i'm throwing the vote away because there isn't going to be one person on the ballot who I want running the country.

Actually, Clinton could not run. Its in the Constitution. He's had two terms already.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-12-12 08:02am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote: Yes... So says every empire before the inevitable slide downward.
Hmm, sort of like we slid downwards in the late 1970s? How the American
Empire was coming to an end? We always reinvent ourselves for a new
decade.
Yeah and the sun never sets on the British Empire right?

And it still doesn't. That saying referred to how the British had territory spread out all over the world so that it was always daylight somewhere in the Empire. It didn't refer to any Imperial "timelessness."

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-12-12 08:15am

Actually the phrase had a literal and a figurative meaning.

Literally, it was spread out so it was always day somewhere, and figurative, that the sun setting signalled the end, and that would never happen to the empire.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-12-12 01:13pm

Vympel wrote:
Knife wrote: But France and Russia, who have not only been against the war, but in my view, actively worked against the US durring the war, shouldn't get JACK SHIT.
Actively worked against the US? How?

Oh, don't get your hackels up.

I'm not implying that the French were sending secret agents to work against us or anything. But they did go pass voicing objection to our moves and actively recruited opposition in the international comunity. I remember the original UN resolution that the US tried to pass and was real close, but it was real close because France was lobbying other countries against us.

Now, I know its their right or atleast in their interest to do so. No evil is sucribed to it, just that they did work against us. Chirac has also mentioned on various occasions that France will not participate at all in the Iraqi war.

Again, I'm not trying to paint them as the greatest evil this centuary, but they did work against us on the issue of Iraq.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-12-12 04:46pm

Knife wrote:
Vympel wrote:
Knife wrote: But France and Russia, who have not only been against the war, but in my view, actively worked against the US durring the war, shouldn't get JACK SHIT.
Actively worked against the US? How?
Oh, don't get your hackels up. I'm not implying that the French were sending secret agents to work against us or anything. But they did go pass voicing objection to our moves and actively recruited opposition in the international comunity. I remember the original UN resolution that the US tried to pass and was real close, but it was real close because France was lobbying other countries against us.

How horrible of them. Raising support against a political opponent, what a crime against humanity.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2003-12-12 04:56pm

Iceberg wrote:

How horrible of them. Raising support against a political opponent, what a crime against humanity.

Then they can't bitch when it works against them....

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-12-12 05:03pm

Stuart Mackey wrote: Yeah and the sun never sets on the British Empire right?

Hey, it's not my fault the British got into WWI and proceeded to
waste the cream of the Empire's Youth and treasure in pointless
human wave attacks right up to 1918, that even the French
gave up on years ago.