Borg Drones vs Jawas

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Due to some <insert technobabble> in space-time continuum, the Borg Sphere in First Contact didn’t make it to Earth. Instead, it landed on Tatooine desert.

The Borg eventually know they’re on the wrong planet, but decide to assimilate it anyway. So they’re going to assimilate everybody until all inhabitants become Borg.

And then, they encounter a group of Jawas. Unfortunately, the Jawas are on the verge of bankruptcy, so they are desperately willing to capture *any* droid they meet to sell. After hearing the Borg’s speech about assimilation, they decide that Borg drones can make it to the market as "toys for little girls" (like the doll saying ‘Mama’ when you pull the string). So they decide to capture the drones intact (like they captured R2 in ANH).

What will happen next?

[Robert Walper]

Jawa's fire their electrical weaponry at a drone or two, disabling or killing them. Borg personal shielding adapts, and Jawas are overwhelmed both physically and numerically.

New species added to Borg Collective pool.

[Ghost Rider]

Jawas if for nothing else...Borg have still have that frequency dependence and heck Jawas ambush people.

[Robert Walper]

Jawas if for nothing else...Borg have still have that frequency dependence and heck Jawas ambush people.

Actually, Borg shielding adaptation is not dependent upon frequencies or modulations. This is merely the most effective way Starfleet has found to bypass Borg shielding(as seen in STTNG "Best of Both Worlds" and ST:First Contct). The Borg have been seen to employ some type of radical shield geometry modification to adapt to an enemy's weapon systems (ref: STVOY "Dark Frontier").

The illusion of Borg shield adaptation being "dependent" upon modulations and frequencies is simply do to the fact we're only seen the Borg engage Federation technology. We've seen the Borg engage non-federation vessels once, and that resulted in a completely unheard of adaptation techique.

Thus, my opinion based upon this evidence is there is no such dependency as Ghost Rider is suggesting.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Jawa's fire their electrical weaponry at a drone or two, disabling or killing them. Borg personal shielding adapts, and Jawas are overwhelmed both physically and numerically.

New species added to Borg Collective pool.

Proof Borg shields can adapt to other than frequency-dependent weapons?

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

The Borg have been seen to employ some type of radical shield geometry modification to adapt to an enemy's weapon systems (ref: STVOY "Dark Frontier").

Shield optimization. Now why the Jawas will not add more firepower until the shield is breached?

[Robert Walper]

The Borg have been seen to employ some type of radical shield geometry modification to adapt to an enemy's weapon systems (ref: STVOY "Dark Frontier").

Shield optimization.

Yes, it's shield optimization...now how is this proof that Borg shielding is frequency and modulation dependent when said evidence directly contradicts such an assertion?

Side note: The said Borg shields actually failed, and the Borg vessel then implemented the adaptation. And it only took so long because the Borg Queen asked Seven of Nine to specify the adaptation techique to test Seven of Nine's resolve in cooperating with the Borg.

Now why the Jawas will not add more firepower until the shield is breached?

If they have that capability, then I see no reason why they couldn't do so.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

The Borg have been seen to employ some type of radical shield geometry modification to adapt to an enemy's weapon systems (ref: STVOY "Dark Frontier").

Shield optimization.

Yes, it's shield optimization...now how is this proof that Borg shielding is frequency and modulation dependent when said evidence directly contradicts such an assertion?

Side note: The said Borg shields actually failed, and the Borg vessel then implemented the adaptation. And it only took so long because the Borg Queen asked Seven of Nine to specify the adaptation techique to test Seven of Nine's resolve in cooperating with the Borg.

All right.

Now why the Jawas will not add more firepower until the shield is breached?

If they have that capability, then I see no reason why they couldn't do so.

A Jawa fires at a drone. The drone falls.

The same Jawa fires at another drone. The shield optimizes. Another Jawa appears, fires at the same drone, etc, etc.

Yup, adding more firepower can be as simple as bringing more guns into the battle.

If all else fails, the Jawas can always run. I doubt the slow-moving zomb.. er, drones could ever catch the Jawas. Let alone assimilate them.

New species added to Borg Collective pool.

See above.

[mauldooku]

Jawas do have Blaster Rifles, right?

While they may be able to take down a few drones with their ion cannon thingies, I don't know if those are powerful enough to stand up to the drones shields. However, Jawas aren't dumb. After bagging a few and realizing their previous weapons is useless+ Borg drones may pose a threat, they'd bring out the more heavy weaponry.

Borg Drones fall to Blasters until they run out of ammo/they run out of drones. If they have some sort of projectile/Flechete launcher, it becomes even more one sided.

[Shroom Man 777]

Jawas could squish the Borg with their sandcrawlers.

[Darth Fanboy]

Lets not Forget Jawas also have more "primitive" slugthrowers and other weaponry resembling the guns of modern Earth. The Borg will be unable to adapt to these KE based weapons and be slaughtered assuming the Jawas have enough Ammunition.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Also, don't forget Jawas are small and nimble, while Borg drones are slow like hell. Should hand-to-hand combat happens, a Jawa may have a good chance sticking the restraining bolt on a Borg drone before the drone can inject its assimilation tubes.

[Mechwarrior]

One Question, Would the Borg even Want to assimilate the Jawas? After all they never wanted to assimilate the Kazon either as they were seen as 'unfit for assimiliation'

[Darth Fanboy]

One Question, Would the Borg even Want to assimilate the Jawas? After all they never wanted to assimilate the Kazon either as they were seen as 'unfit for assimiliation'

Possibly not, but for the purposes of the scenario lets assume they do.

[NecronLord]

Restraining bolts only really work on droids degined to be compatible with them.

[Robert Walper]

A Jawa fires at a drone. The drone falls.

The same Jawa fires at another drone. The shield optimizes. Another Jawa appears, fires at the same drone, etc, etc.

I see no problem with that logic about concetrated firepower taking out drones. However, where is it stated in the scenario the Jawa's outnumber the Borg? How many Borg are there? The sphere in question has a minimum drone capacity of 11,000 drones. How many Jawa's are there? Are they suddenly one massive organized army, or are they actually still nomadic and spread out like portrayed in the movies?

Yup, adding more firepower can be as simple as bringing more guns into the battle.

That obvious. Now please explain how the scenario layed out the Jawa's having massive numbers and organized like a army. Are they expecting this attack? Given the OP, they are not. Are they familar with the enemy? No. Are they outnumbered? Given the OP said the sphere landed(a questionable capability actually) we can assume the Borg have a fully functional Borg vessel on hand, with transporters and assimilation chambers.

If all else fails, the Jawas can always run.

Retreating is considered defeat in any battle scenario.

I doubt the slow-moving zomb.. er, drones could ever catch the Jawas. Let alone assimilate them.

You're forgetting the Borg have functioning transporters. The Borg could cut the Jawa's off if they actually wanted to.

Frankly, the OP has made the scenario somewhat vague. Apparently the sphere is intact, thus orbital attack is possible. The Borg have functioning transporters and a fully functional Borg sphere. They have numerical superiority over the nomadic Jawa's who aren't expecting the attack.

I fail to see how the Jawa's can be so easily handed victory.

[Robert Walper]

Also, don't forget Jawas are small and nimble, while Borg drones are slow like hell. Should hand-to-hand combat happens, a Jawa may have a good chance sticking the restraining bolt on a Borg drone before the drone can inject its assimilation tubes.

It's an enormous leap in logic to assume any Jawa droid restraining bolt would affect a cybernetic organism from a technological base completely outside of the Star Wars universe.

[Robert Walper]

Jawas could squish the Borg with their sandcrawlers.

This assumes the Borg are going to march in front of the massive moving vehicle rather then transporting into it or even transporting the Jawas out of vehicle while simultaneously stripping them of any weaponry they are carrying(note: transporters have been seen to do this on several occasions).

[Tribun]

I bet the Jawa ion cannon rifle used in ANH will take out Drones with one shot. R2 is a product of very advanced droid production, and he went out like a light when hit by the bolt.

[Robert Walper]

I bet the Jawa ion cannon rifle used in ANH will take out Drones with one shot. R2 is a product of very advanced droid production, and he went out like a light when hit by the bolt.

Which heavily suggests the bolt was designed to take out droids, since R2 survived a hit by a blaster bolt in ROTJ(he was damaged, but not incapacitated). Since the Borg are cybernetic, with personal shielding that could potentially adapt to that weapon, I wouldn't make that bet unless presented with further, more convincing evidence.

[Darth Fanboy]

I bet the Jawa ion cannon rifle used in ANH will take out Drones with one shot. R2 is a product of very advanced droid production, and he went out like a light when hit by the bolt.

Which heavily suggests the bolt was designed to take out droids, since R2 survived a hit by a blaster bolt in ROTJ(he was damaged, but not incapacitated). Since the Borg are cybernetic, with personal shielding that could potentially adapt to that weapon, I wouldn't make that bet unless presented with further, more convincing evidence.

If the definition for a Sw Ion Cannon is consistent then it should wreak havoc with all things electronic, and not just droids.

Youve also failed to address the use of Slugthrowers, which is a more common weapon among Jawas. As long as the jawas have enough Ammo, they'll annhilate any Borg they come across.

[Robert Walper]

I bet the Jawa ion cannon rifle used in ANH will take out Drones with one shot. R2 is a product of very advanced droid production, and he went out like a light when hit by the bolt.

Which heavily suggests the bolt was designed to take out droids, since R2 survived a hit by a blaster bolt in ROTJ(he was damaged, but not incapacitated). Since the Borg are cybernetic, with personal shielding that could potentially adapt to that weapon, I wouldn't make that bet unless presented with further, more convincing evidence.

If the definition for a Sw Ion Cannon is consistent then it should wreak havoc with all things electronic, and not just droids.

Thus we can reasonable conclude such a weapon should disable if not kill a Borg drone. However, this doesn't mean their personal shielding would be unable to adapt to it.

Youve also failed to address the use of Slugthrowers, which is a more common weapon among Jawas. As long as the jawas have enough Ammo, they'll annhilate any Borg they come across.

Assuming the Borg engage them in a ground warfare despite Borg tactics differing from such. (Note: The Borg have tactical drones which have not been seen in action. They were described has having titanium alloy armor(ref: STVOY "Dark Frontier"). This suggests they may be more suited against enemies with projectile weaponry.) When assimilating an enemy, the Borg typically beam the enemy onto their ships and move them into assimilation chambers(ref: STVOY "Dark Frontier"). During transport, weapons can be removed via transporter systems(ref: STVOY "Repentence").

So if we strip the Borg of their functioing Borg sphere(taking away their transporters, base of operations and orbital firepower support advantage), assume the Jawa's have groups of numbers sufficent against a potential complement of 11,000 Borg drones, assert the Borg have absolutely no way of dealing with projectile weaponry, and that the Jawa's are also prepared for a large scale assualt by a unknown enemy of cybernetic beings, then, yes, their projectile weaponry would prove most effective.

[Mechwarrior]

I bet the Jawa ion cannon rifle used in ANH will take out Drones with one shot. R2 is a product of very advanced droid production, and he went out like a light when hit by the bolt.

Which heavily suggests the bolt was designed to take out droids, since R2 survived a hit by a blaster bolt in ROTJ(he was damaged, but not incapacitated). Since the Borg are cybernetic, with personal shielding that could potentially adapt to that weapon, I wouldn't make that bet unless presented with further, more convincing evidence.

A little note here, Ion Guns actually pass through shields and are unnafested by them. though the Ion bolts do not so damage they do disrupt all electronic systems (see when the Star Destroyer got hit by the ion cannon in ESB during the Hoth Battle) so how can Borg shields adapt to something that Passes right through them.

What it comes down to is 'do the Jawas have enough of those Ion Guns to fight off the borg? If not then i have to give victory to the borg who gain some half size drones that are only good for repair and maintaince.

[Robert Walper]

A little note here, Ion Guns actually pass through shields and are unnafested by them.

Let's keep in mind they may pass through Star Wars shields. This does not automatically imply they would pass through Star Trek shielding, unless you going to assert they are so similar that we could reasonably expect both the share the same weaknesses.

though the Ion bolts do not so damage they do disrupt all electronic systems (see when the Star Destroyer got hit by the ion cannon in ESB during the Hoth Battle) so how can Borg shields adapt to something that Passes right through them.

This is based upon the assumption this type of weaponry would pass through Trek shielding, particularily Borg shielding which they optimize on the spot against specific types of attacks once analysed. I see no reason to assume the Jawa "ion" bolts as being so sophisiticated that they are beyond the Borg's capability to adapt to.

What it comes down to is 'do the Jawas have enough of those Ion Guns to fight off the borg?

Unlikely. Every impression I got was that the Jawa's are primitive(relative to Star Wars) nomadic groups spread throughout the Tatooine deserts. Even if we assume the Borg could not adapt to Jawa weaponry, they simply would be outnumberd and unprepared for the assault. When one takes into account transporter advantage and a fully functional Borg sphere at their disposal, I see the Jawa's as hopelessly outmatched.

It should be noted that even a Borg "killed" can be reanimated. There are a couple of examples, the most prominate being STVOY "Mortal Coil". Borg nanoprobes can actually repair and literately bring back dead drones into functional drones again. They can do this even up to 72 hours after death of a Borg drone. So even what might appear to be some losses on the Borg's part would simply be regained through this techique. Since they have the entire resources of a Borg sphere on hand, this shouldn't be a problem for them to do if the need arises.

If not then i have to give victory to the borg who gain some half size drones that are only good for repair and maintaince.

I suspect the Jawa's, while existing in the omnipotent Star Wars universe, are simply outmatched in this scenario.

[SirNitram]

Do I need to point out the no-limits fallacy here? Because Borg shielding has been shown to work against the frequency happy Federation and been able to minimize the damage from the chain-reaction using Species, does not imply they can null out any attack from any hand weapon.