Borg Drones vs Jawas

[Robert Walper]

Do I need to point out the no-limits fallacy here? Because Borg shielding has been shown to work against the frequency happy Federation and been able to minimize the damage from the chain-reaction using Species, does not imply they can null out any attack from any hand weapon.

Irrelevent. The Jawa's are outnumbered and outgunned. Borg personal shielding being effective would simply be a bonus, particularily since the Borg could revive any dead Borg if they really wanted to.

Unless the Jawa's are going to be saved by some magical element of the week which prevents transporter usage, the Jawa's would be fucked in that regard.

[SirNitram]

Do I need to point out the no-limits fallacy here? Because Borg shielding has been shown to work against the frequency happy Federation and been able to minimize the damage from the chain-reaction using Species, does not imply they can null out any attack from any hand weapon.

Irrelevent. The Jawa's are outnumbered and outgunned. Borg personal shielding being effective would simply be a bonus, particularily since the Borg could revive any dead Borg if they really wanted to.

Outgunned? To be outgunned, your opponent must have guns. Ranged combat is something the Borg have never been terribly eager to show us. They.. Walk.. Slowly.. At.. You.. Until.. They.. Die.

Unless the Jawa's are going to be saved by some magical element of the week which prevents transporter usage, the Jawa's would be fucked in that regard.

Oh, you mean like a power transformer or electrical storm?

[Robert Walper]

Irrelevent. The Jawa's are outnumbered and outgunned. Borg personal shielding being effective would simply be a bonus, particularily since the Borg could revive any dead Borg if they really wanted to.

Outgunned? To be outgunned, your opponent must have guns.

You mean like a fully functional spacecraft capable of orbital bombardment on hand? A potential crew capacity of 11,000 drones, each with their own weapon emplacement on their arms capable of stun and kill?(ref: STTNG "Descent", STVOY "Survival Instinct", STVOY "Scorpion")

Ranged combat is something the Borg have never been terribly eager to show us.

If you're referring to drones, they have it. Similar to how the Empire in the movies hasn't been particularily eager to show us the BDZ operation, despite us accepting they can do it if required.

They.. Walk.. Slowly.. At.. You.. Until.. They.. Die.

What situation exactly are you referring to? Virtaully all enemies the Borg exhibit such behavior around are completely ineffective against them with their energy weapons, and in hand to hand are outclassed.

Unless the Jawa's are going to be saved by some magical element of the week which prevents transporter usage, the Jawa's would be fucked in that regard.

Oh, you mean like a power transformer or electrical storm?

Please point out in the OP scenario where there is going to be a electical storm or "power transformer" to nullify Borg transporter technology. The fact you're going so far as to introduce a theoritical electrical storm to favor the Jawa's is somewhat silly in my opinion, and a concession that the Jawa's themselves cannot nullify that advantage without introducing circumstances in their favor.

[YT300000]

Jawas could squish the Borg with their sandcrawlers.

This assumes the Borg are going to march in front of the massive moving vehicle rather then transporting into it or even transporting the Jawas out of vehicle while simultaneously stripping them of any weaponry they are carrying(note: transporters have been seen to do this on several occasions).

That is a rather safe assumption. Borg are dumbasses.

1. They don't raise shields until after they are shot at.
2. They have no concept of tactics. For them, war is attrition. Sacrifice enough units to defeat the enemy, and you win.
3. When there are unidentified people on their ships, they are ignored until after they attack the Borg.
4. They don't post lookouts (FC), something even fucking monkeys do.

[SirNitram]

Irrelevent. The Jawa's are outnumbered and outgunned. Borg personal shielding being effective would simply be a bonus, particularily since the Borg could revive any dead Borg if they really wanted to.

Outgunned? To be outgunned, your opponent must have guns.

You mean like a fully functional spacecraft capable of orbital bombardment on hand? A potential crew capacity of 11,000 drones, each with their own weapon emplacement on their arms capable of stun and kill?(ref: STTNG "Descent", STVOY "Survival Instinct", STVOY "Scorpion")

Oh, you mean their little peice of junk that is noticably smaller than several Spheres seen in VOY(Come on, one of those was easily ten times the length of Voyager! Don't sell me bullshit, boy.)? Oh, no, it's got orbital bombardment!

Oh, wait. That bombardment does less than a squad of troopers did. Whoopsie. Fuck, depending on the time they appear in, an ISD might happen on it and think it's an escape pod from the Tantive. You know what'll happen next when they scan it for lifespans, right?

A 'potential crew of 11,000'? BULLSHIT. In fact, BULL-FUCKING-SHIT. I want to see the proof for this.. And keep in mind I'm talking about an escape pod style Sphere, not the giant motherfuckers.

Ranged combat is something the Borg have never been terribly eager to show us.

If you're referring to drones, they have it. Similar to how the Empire in the movies hasn't been particularily eager to show us the BDZ operation, despite us accepting they can do it if required.

How about you show the proof then?

They.. Walk.. Slowly.. At.. You.. Until.. They.. Die.

What situation exactly are you referring to? Virtaully all enemies the Borg exhibit such behavior around are completely ineffective against them with their energy weapons, and in hand to hand are outclassed.

Except they did it against an enemy with a weapon that slices them up(Picard in the holodeck) and against one who slices & dices(Species). So you're full of shit.

Unless the Jawa's are going to be saved by some magical element of the week which prevents transporter usage, the Jawa's would be fucked in that regard.

Oh, you mean like a power transformer or electrical storm?

Please point out in the OP scenario where there is going to be a electical storm or "power transformer" to nullify Borg transporter technology. The fact you're going so far as to introduce a theoritical electrical storm to favor the Jawa's is somewhat silly in my opinion, and a concession that the Jawa's themselves cannot nullify that advantage without introducing circumstances in their favor.

You're desperate. The Jawas have ranged weaponry, armoured vehicle, and actual sense. The Borg just.. march.. slowly.. ahead.. into.. their.. doom.

[Slartibartfast]

If all else fails, the Jawas can always run.

Retreating is considered defeat in any battle scenario.

They don't have to run away, they could just run in circles around them

[Stark]

Robert, you're not being rational. The Jawas aren't organised like an army, they're organised like a commercial organisation. Borg aren't organised at ALL.

Frankly, I think you should argue that those droid-zapping guns seem to be short range, and thats a little dangerous with borg around. But out in the open, in the desert, the borg have no advantages (slow, melee attacks, no coordination). The jawas could ride shotgun on the sandcrawler and drive slowly away, plinking off borg. Borg transporters eh? Outside their ship? Not in FC. The whole movie would be 10 minutes (if only) if they could've beamed to the dish, beamed to the bridge, beamed Data off the bridge, etc.

If borg shields aren't frequency based, changing frequency would not be an advantage. Unless they have a vulnerable frequency, which would mean that they have a strong frequency. Simply put, because frequency is important AT ALL, they are frequency based.

Eeek. Power-cut; I better post and shutdown before the battery runs out.

[Mutant Headcrab]

I have found one simple rule for things relating to Ion's.

"Anything with Ion in the name" + "Anything from Star Trek"= SOL for Star Trek

The Borg shall fall to the Jawa's.

[darthdavid]

Hey look, the jawas got some funky ass new droids.

[Darth Fanboy]

Irrelevent. The Jawa's are outnumbered and outgunned. Borg personal shielding being effective would simply be a bonus, particularily since the Borg could revive any dead Borg if they really wanted to.

Unless the Jawa's are going to be saved by some magical element of the week which prevents transporter usage, the Jawa's would be fucked in that regard.

Hey Ass, where in the OP does it say that they are outnumbered and outgunned?

Please point out in the OP scenario where there is going to be a electical storm or "power transformer" to nullify Borg transporter technology. The fact you're going so far as to introduce a theoritical electrical storm to favor the Jawa's is somewhat silly in my opinion, and a concession that the Jawa's themselves cannot nullify that advantage without introducing circumstances in their favor.

So Now you're referring to the OP when its convenient for you? If theres a Sandcrawler around or hell maybe even if the battle takes place on a cube or in Urban combat the chances of a Power generator/transformer being around aren't bad at all.

[Darth Fanboy]

Oh now this is delicious, I went back and further checked the OP, and Its not the Full complement of a Borg Cube, but the complement of the Borg Sphere from FC.

So BorgBoy here is making claims that the Jawas are outnumbered and outgunned on their own turf by a sphere full of borg? Damn.

[Robert Walper]

Oh, you mean their little peice of junk that is noticably smaller than several Spheres seen in VOY(Come on, one of those was easily ten times the length of Voyager! Don't sell me bullshit, boy.)?

Red Herring. My point was the Borg have a functional spacecraft with firepower capable of being deployed from orbit. So obviously the Borg have guns, which you implied they didn't. Concession accepted.

Additionally, your assertion that the sphere in First Contact is smaller than other spheres seen in Voyager is already known by myself.

Note: I'd like to see your evidence that suggests the Borg spheres in Voyager were "at least ten times the length of Voyager".

Oh, no, it's got orbital bombardment!

Yes, it does. Again, the Borg have guns, which you implied they didn't. Thanks for conceding the point again.

Oh, wait. That bombardment does less than a squad of troopers did.

Present your evidence. The sphere had a lower limit amount of firepower to level planetary structures.

Whoopsie. Fuck, depending on the time they appear in, an ISD might happen on it and think it's an escape pod from the Tantive.

Another Red Herring. And you accuse me of desperation. This is a comparison between the Jawa's on Tatooine and a Borg sphere. Or do you seriously think the Empire is going to give a flying fuck about the Jawa's? Your introduction of a ISD is a Red Herring and a concession the Jawa's themselves would be virtually helpless agains it. Concession accepted.

A 'potential crew of 11,000'? BULLSHIT. In fact, BULL-FUCKING-SHIT. I want to see the proof for this.. And keep in mind I'm talking about an escape pod style Sphere, not the giant motherfuckers.

The sphere from First Contact was at least 600 meters in diameter(ref: STENT "Regeneration", and scaling in First contact). The volume of a sphere that size is 113,097,335 cubic meters. Take 1% of that volume, assume 12 cubic meters per drone(2 meters x 2 meters x 3 meters), and that sphere could easily accomodate over 94 thousand Borg drones. I'm being extremely generous to the Jawa's by knocking down potential crew capacity to only 11,000.

Ranged combat is something the Borg have never been terribly eager to show us.

If you're referring to drones, they have it. Similar to how the Empire in the movies hasn't been particularily eager to show us the BDZ operation, despite us accepting they can do it if required.

How about you show the proof then?

I submitted episode names that clearly show the Borg have personal firearms attached to their forearms, and the capability to kill and stun with them if so desired. Your ignorance of such episodes is a perfect example of you bullshitting, while I on the other hand am referencing evidence to back up my claims. Would you like me to talk you through said episodes...lead you from A to B to C and so forth? I'm patient with young children, so you shouldn't be a problem.

They.. Walk.. Slowly.. At.. You.. Until.. They.. Die.

What situation exactly are you referring to? Virtaully all enemies the Borg exhibit such behavior around are completely ineffective against them with their energy weapons, and in hand to hand are outclassed.

Except they did it against an enemy with a weapon that slices them up(Picard in the holodeck)

Yes, Picard single handedly turned the tide against the Borg with his little toy gun and retook the Enterprise....oops! Oh wait, that didn't happen. Picard and his crew were so fucked over that the Borg took decks with incredible ease, and made the Starfleet crew so desperate as to decide to try and self destruct their own ship.

and against one who slices & dices(Species).

Yes, we can certainly expect Borg drones to be a formitable fighting force when their ships are blown into fragments, their link to the Collective is severed, their enemy tears through their remaining hull fragments like butter, and Species 8472 is virtually immune to small arms fire.

So you're full of shit.

When you said "you're", I certain you meant "I'm".

You're desperate. The Jawas have ranged weaponry,

So do Borg drones. Jawa weaponry would be nullified by transporter technology anyhow.

armoured vehicle,

The Borg have armored spacecraft capable of orbitable bombardment which is completely beyond the Jawa's capability to attack or fend off. Transporters would virtually nullify any type of ground combat on the Jawa's part, (and any need on the Borg's).

and actual sense. The Borg just.. march.. slowly.. ahead.. into.. their.. doom.

Sorta like your arguements...

[Robert Walper]

Jawas could squish the Borg with their sandcrawlers.

This assumes the Borg are going to march in front of the massive moving vehicle rather then transporting into it or even transporting the Jawas out of vehicle while simultaneously stripping them of any weaponry they are carrying(note: transporters have been seen to do this on several occasions).

That is a rather safe assumption. Borg are dumbasses.

In your opinion.

1. They don't raise shields until after they are shot at.

You mean they don't optimize their shields until shot at. Given the ridiculous vulnerability to unknown threats inherent to Trek shielding, this is actually a good thing.

2. They have no concept of tactics. For them, war is attrition. Sacrifice enough units to defeat the enemy, and you win.

Since the Borg can bring back dead drones, add enemy units to their numbers, and in cases become virtually immune to enemy fire, this tactic would seem to work very well IMO.

3. When there are unidentified people on their ships, they are ignored until after they attack the Borg.

Most certainly not the best reaction to boarding parties, but the Borg Collective responds to either of three criteria: A threat, a target, or ignore it. One wonders why the Borg wouldn't consider a boarding party a threat to them, but this seems to be an aspect of the Collective mindset. No one is saying the Borg are perfect.

4. They don't post lookouts (FC), something even fucking monkeys do.

Could you explain how lookouts would have helped the Borg seize the Enterprise in FC? Particularily since that is exactly what they were already doing, and with apparent ease.

[Robert Walper]

If all else fails, the Jawas can always run.

Retreating is considered defeat in any battle scenario.

They don't have to run away, they could just run in circles around them

While that may look amusing, the Borg don't engage in ground combat operations. They use transporters to beam victims onto their vessels. Why, exactly, is it being assumed the Borg are going to engage the enemy on the ground when they have the capability to bypass(and been shown to actually employ that tactic) ground warfare?

[Mechwarrior]

Retreating is considered defeat in any battle scenario.

They don't have to run away, they could just run in circles around them

While that may look amusing, the Borg don't engage in ground combat operations. They use transporters to beam victims onto their vessels. Why, exactly, is it being assumed the Borg are going to engage the enemy on the ground when they have the capability to bypass(and been shown to actually employ that tactic) ground warfare?

Then WHY did the Borg need to beam to Enterprise to Kidnap Picard in Best of Both Worlds. Why didnt they simple beam him out of the enterprise?

[Robert Walper]

Then WHY did the Borg need to beam to Enterprise to Kidnap Picard in Best of Both Worlds.

Why are we assuming they needed to rather than simply chosing to do so?

Why didnt they simple beam him out of the enterprise?

This assumes they could identify him specifically from their ship. After all, presumeably the Borg can detect lifesigns, but just how specifically in this time period? How are they going to tell Picard from Riker or Wesley, or Geordi?

Besides, in STVOY "Scorpion", we see exactly this feat acheived. The Borg beam Janeway onto their cube directly off her bridge.

To correlate this with "Best of Both Worlds", one might assume the Borg had refined their detection technology to the point where they could identify Janeway by scans alone rather than having a drone beam aboard to determine her location. Janeway being directly in contact with the cube via communications just before being beamed out may have given the Borg enough information to locate her position on the bridge as well. Picard was not in contact with the Borg cube that dispatched three drones to capture him, and that may be required for them to determine a precise location of a specific individual without drones beaming aboard.

[YT300000]

That is a rather safe assumption. Borg are dumbasses.

In your opinion.

Which is derived from evidence

1. They don't raise shields until after they are shot at.

You mean they don't optimize their shields until shot at. Given the ridiculous vulnerability to unknown threats inherent to Trek shielding, this is actually a good thing.

No, I said raise, not optimize. Eg: Q Who, the E-D damaged 40% of a cube with a couple phaser blasts, slicing holes in it. A little later, the cube raised shields, and further attacks from the E-D did nothing.

2. They have no concept of tactics. For them, war is attrition. Sacrifice enough units to defeat the enemy, and you win.

Since the Borg can bring back dead drones, add enemy units to their numbers, and in cases become virtually immune to enemy fire, this tactic would seem to work very well IMO.

That's just allocating more resources. In FC, they built the dish to call for help, as they realized that one sphere-full of Borg couldn't assimilate Earth. Once they have enough, they just continue sacrificing units.

3. When there are unidentified people on their ships, they are ignored until after they attack the Borg.

Most certainly not the best reaction to boarding parties, but the Borg Collective responds to either of three criteria: A threat, a target, or ignore it. One wonders why the Borg wouldn't consider a boarding party a threat to them, but this seems to be an aspect of the Collective mindset.

Concession Accepted.

4. They don't post lookouts (FC), something even fucking monkeys do.

Could you explain how lookouts would have helped the Borg seize the Enterprise in FC? Particularily since that is exactly what they were already doing, and with apparent ease.

The dish. Had they had one drone facing outwards, he would have seen Picard and Worf coming, and (probably) warned the others. They aren't so stupid that in that situation a drone would have ignored the humans, as the success of the mission (assimilating Earth) was dependant on the dish.

[YT300000]

Then WHY did the Borg need to beam to Enterprise to Kidnap Picard in Best of Both Worlds.

Why are we assuming they needed to rather than simply chosing to do so?

Why didnt they simple beam him out of the enterprise?

This assumes they could identify him specifically from their ship. After all, presumeably the Borg can detect lifesigns, but just how specifically in this time period? How are they going to tell Picard from Riker or Wesley, or Geordi.

This handily defeats your rebuttal earlier in this quote.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

A Jawa fires at a drone. The drone falls.

The same Jawa fires at another drone. The shield optimizes. Another Jawa appears, fires at the same drone, etc, etc.

I see no problem with that logic about concetrated firepower taking out drones. However, where is it stated in the scenario the Jawa's outnumber the Borg? How many Borg are there? The sphere in question has a minimum drone capacity of 11,000 drones. How many Jawa's are there? Are they suddenly one massive organized army, or are they actually still nomadic and spread out like portrayed in the movies?

When your enemy have no guns and moving clumsily like zombies, would it matter?

Yup, adding more firepower can be as simple as bringing more guns into the battle.

That obvious. Now please explain how the scenario layed out the Jawa's having massive numbers and organized like a army. Are they expecting this attack? Given the OP, they are not. Are they familar with the enemy? No. Are they outnumbered? Given the OP said the sphere landed(a questionable capability actually) we can assume the Borg have a fully functional Borg vessel on hand, with transporters and assimilation chambers.

Okay. Then we conclude that, after wandering in the desert, the drones need to retreat to their ship and use its "full functionality" to assimilate one of the weakest groups in SW universe

If all else fails, the Jawas can always run.

Retreating is considered defeat in any battle scenario.

You cannot assimilate what you can't catch. At most, the result is stalemate.

Besides, a groups of traders concern more about profit/loss than victories.

I doubt the slow-moving zomb.. er, drones could ever catch the Jawas. Let alone assimilate them.

You're forgetting the Borg have functioning transporters. The Borg could cut the Jawa's off if they actually wanted to.

Which never happened in any ST movies/eps I've seen. Ever. They didn't even think to beam Picard to their cube.

From what we've seen, the Borg walk like zombies to their targets (usually some helpless redshirts), catch them physically (like they caught Data and others in First Contact), and finally injecting their assimilation tubules (or placing their victims on those surgery tables).

Face it; the Borg are **stupid**.

Frankly, the OP has made the scenario somewhat vague. Apparently the sphere is intact, thus orbital attack is possible. The Borg have functioning transporters and a fully functional Borg sphere. They have numerical superiority over the nomadic Jawa's who aren't expecting the attack.

We're talking about drones encountering Jawas while wandering in the desert. If the Borg decides to bombard Tatooine from their ship, soon they wil face something much worse than Jawas (a patrolling Star Destroyer comes to mind... )

I fail to see how the Jawa's can be so easily handed victory.

[/quote]

Against a bunch of clumsy Zombies who don't even have ranged weapons? Oh, well....

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Oh, you mean their little peice of junk that is noticably smaller than several Spheres seen in VOY(Come on, one of those was easily ten times the length of Voyager! Don't sell me bullshit, boy.)?

Red Herring. My point was the Borg have a functional spacecraft with firepower capable of being deployed from orbit. So obviously the Borg have guns, which you implied they didn't. Concession accepted.

Robert, should I remind you that the title of this thread is Borg drones vs Jawas? Arguing that they will bombard the Jawas from orbit is admitting that the Borg need their ship and its "full functionality" against the weakest in SW. Concession accepted.

Besides, should the Borg decides to do such foolishness, sooner or later they will get fucked. Do you think Imperial authorities on Tatooine will just sit there and drink some coffee when they're detecting some alien spaceship bombarding the planet?

[Darth Fanboy]

and once again Walper has failed to address my posts, instead focusing on the arguments that are more appealing for him to jerk off to.

[Robert Walper]

and once again Walper has failed to address my posts, instead focusing on the arguments that are more appealing for him to jerk off to.

That's because I have yet to see any arguement on your behalf that is even worth responding to. I suggest you read the thread, and if you have some point outside of what I've already addressed, by all means, bring it up.

And frankly, my time constraints prevent me from answering every post, particularily those that demostrate a complete ignorance of Borg capabilities and tactics.

[Robert Walper]

Robert, should I remind you that the title of this thread is Borg drones vs Jawas?

Then it's your own stupidity for giving them a fully functional Borg sphere on hand, and asserting they will not use it, when frankly they will, particularily given the tactics they employ against an enemy.

And if you're going to be such a nitpicking bastard, I suggest you go through the thread and correct those who give the Jawa's a Sandcrawler, since the thread "title" did not say anything about them having one. I of course didn't have a problem with this, despite a Sandcrawler not being specified in the OP or thread title. However, you did specify functioning a Borg sphere, and then whine and complain when I give the Borg the capability to use it.

Arguing that they will bombard the Jawas from orbit is admitting that the Borg need their ship

No, they don't need it, you gave it to them. If there's a conflict between the title of the thread, and the scenario it outlines, then that's your mistake.

and its "full functionality" against the weakest in SW.

Yeah, I assume it's fully functional because you said it landed, as opposed to crashed or even implying it was heavily damaged enough to be useless to the Borg drones.

Besides, should the Borg decides to do such foolishness, sooner or later they will get fucked. Do you think Imperial authorities on Tatooine will just sit there and drink some coffee when they're detecting some alien spaceship bombarding the planet?

That's cute. You bitch about me letting the Borg utilize a functional vessel you introduced into the scenario, and then turn right around and claim the Jawa's are going to get help from the Imperial planetary authority. What happened to your stance about Jawa's versus Borg drones only? Are Imperials now Jawas, or even supporters? Your thread title and OP are vague to say the least, so naturally interpretation is required. Like Jawa's having a Sandcrawler on hand for instance, despite not being given one in the OP or title. You didn't see me whining about that, did you? I suggest you stop trying to employ double standards to favor the Jawa's.

[Robert Walper]

You mean they don't optimize their shields until shot at. Given the ridiculous vulnerability to unknown threats inherent to Trek shielding, this is actually a good thing.

No, I said raise, not optimize. Eg: Q Who, the E-D damaged 40% of a cube with a couple phaser blasts,

Dialogue which is disputed by visuals. The E-D damaged significantly less than 40% of the cube. You do realize that 40% would be almost half the entire cube? Did you see almost half of the cube destroyed or damaged? I sure as hell didn't.

slicing holes in it. A little later, the cube raised shields, and further attacks from the E-D did nothing.

Same episode establishes the Borg analysis a unknown type of attack, and then adapt to it. I suppose you have evidence the Borg had encountered Galaxy class level phaser beams before? I think not.

Since the Borg can bring back dead drones, add enemy units to their numbers, and in cases become virtually immune to enemy fire, this tactic would seem to work very well IMO.

That's just allocating more resources.

Correction. That's gaining resources without losing any.

In FC, they built the dish to call for help, as they realized that one sphere-full of Borg couldn't assimilate Earth.

Since the Borg were focusing on assimilating the Enterprise, I fail to see how that justifies the claim they couldn't assimilate Earth.

Most certainly not the best reaction to boarding parties, but the Borg Collective responds to either of three criteria: A threat, a target, or ignore it. One wonders why the Borg wouldn't consider a boarding party a threat to them, but this seems to be an aspect of the Collective mindset.

Concession Accepted.

A concession is when someone disputes a point, and I didn't, dumbass. Read more carefully.

Could you explain how lookouts would have helped the Borg seize the Enterprise in FC? Particularily since that is exactly what they were already doing, and with apparent ease.

The dish. Had they had one drone facing outwards, he would have seen Picard and Worf coming, and (probably) warned the others. They aren't so stupid that in that situation a drone would have ignored the humans,

Actually, the Borg do ignore anything they don't consider as either a target or threat. Or are you forgetting you just finished pointing that out?

as the success of the mission (assimilating Earth) was dependant on the dish.

Contacting the Collective in the current time period would have been useful, but not necessary to the assimilation of Earth. If you dispute this, by all means present evidence to suggest a lower limit on resources and manpower the Borg need to assimilate a planet.

[Darth Fanboy]

and once again Walper has failed to address my posts, instead focusing on the arguments that are more appealing for him to jerk off to.

That's because I have yet to see any arguement on your behalf that is even worth responding to. I suggest you read the thread, and if you have some point outside of what I've already addressed, by all means, bring it up.

Oh I've read the thread. Trust me, and you're losing credibility after this one trust me. So far you've ignored the inherent advantage the jawas have with their slugthrowers and similar weapons and instead youve used the context of the OP when it suited you and threw it out when it didn't.