Flag Burning

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-12-12 07:31pm

What are your thoughts? Does your country allow it? If not, then what is the penalty for burning your nations flag?

I know I could probably look on the internet for this information but since I know we have a lot of people from different countries I think this would be a better place to get some answers.

Thank you for your time.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-12 07:47pm

I hate it, but it should be legal.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-12-12 07:56pm

Never done it, find it kind of amusing but insulting at the same time.

Should be legal.

*attempting to resist temptation to post massively offensive picture*

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-12-12 07:57pm

I`m against flg burning,if you`re not satisfied with what your government do there are other ways to show it.

Gambler · Post by **Gambler** » 2003-12-12 08:07pm

I think you shouldn't get legal problems as long as it's your own flag ( by that I mean that you bought it).

weemadando wrote: *attempting to resist temptation to post massively offensive picture*

You mean that picture that iirc you postet ages ago with a lot of american flags burning? A lot of people used "right click save image" that day

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-12-12 08:15pm

Gambler wrote:I think you shouldn't get legal problems as long as it's your own flag ( by that I mean that you bought it).

weemadando wrote: *attempting to resist temptation to post massively offensive picture*
You mean that picture that iirc you postet ages ago with a lot of american flags burning? A lot of people used "right click save image" that day :lol:

Yeah, that'd be the one, but I think I might wait until this thread is DEFINATELY going to be locked before posting that.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-12-12 08:18pm

It gives me murderous feelings, but it is and should be always legal. In the end, it harms nobody, so there's no reason to forbide that form of expression.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-12-12 08:19pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:What are your thoughts?

Fucking stupid and disrespectful.

Kamakazie Sith wrote:Does your country allow it?

No, it's illigal.

Kamakazie Sith wrote:If not, then what is the penalty for burning your nations flag?

I can't really remember, probably just a fine

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-12-12 08:30pm

I find it distasteful, but it's probably protected under freedom of expression. Unless you're putting someone at risk by starting the fire, I don't see why it should be illegal.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-12-12 09:12pm

It should be legal.

For the dumbasses who do it in protest often burn themselves while doing it.

It's also one of the legitimate ways to retire a flag that is old and worn. We did it once when I was in Boy Scouts. In that instance the old flag is placed flat and unfurled on a metal screen and then put over a fire. It burns very evenly and respectfully (IMO) that way.

In the US I think the American Legion will take old and worn flags that need to be retired.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-12-12 09:40pm

I find burning your own nation's flag to be quite disgusting. However we are a free nation, and as such I would never put a symbol of freedom over freedom itself.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-12 09:43pm

I disapprove of flag-burning. However, I disapprove of imprisoning flag-burners even more.

Flag-burning does no objective harm to anyone. It destroys a piece of property which has been bought and paid for by the flag-burner himself, and thus constitutes no material loss to the state, nor to any of its citizens besides the flag-burner himself. Flag-burning does not violate anyone's rights, flag-burning does not discriminate against anyone. There is simply no conceivable reason to make it illegal except for the idiotic notion that unpatriotic behaviour should be persecuted.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-12-12 09:48pm

I just thought about and the best way to protest against a government is not burning the nations flag,but burning the symbol of the current government,like now in the US the symbol of the Republicans would be fair game,and in Canada the symbol of the Liberal party.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-12-12 10:00pm

I like it when women protest the government by burning all their clothes. After they take them off of course.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2003-12-12 10:13pm

Bravo Wicket Pilot! On three counts, the first being your use of the new Decepticon USAF symbol, and the others your two posts on this topic. I'm not sure how anyone could justify imprisoning or even fining someone for destroying their own property. Its the sort of non-violent protest that we should be supporting. Some people don't like it? Some people don't like atheism or anal either, and that ain't illegal.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2003-12-12 10:14pm

GAH! Evil typo-no-edit terror! I sincerely apologise to all concerned.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-12-12 10:27pm

I knew a guy who, in a class discussion, literally went on for ten minutes trying to reason out why it would be ok to beat someone for burning a flag.

I don't really care, myself. I think its highly disrespectful and obnoxious, but come on- it's a flag. Its not like people are going out and vandalizing the Capitol building.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-12-12 10:39pm

The only concievable legal argument against it (one that, IIRC, then Deputy Attorney General Kenneth Starr tried to use in front of the Supreme Court) is that buring a flag constitutes incitement to riot, as the act is likely to infuriate observers to the point of violence.

Needless to say, the argument was not convincing to the Court, and it doesn't convince me, either.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2003-12-12 11:01pm

IIRC, traditionally you're supposed to burn a flag to dispose of it when it has become worn and tattered.

CelesKnight · Post by **CelesKnight** » 2003-12-12 11:24pm

I would say that it should be legal in general; however, there are times and places where it could be considered obscene enough for punishment of some kind--from breaking up the protest to a minor fine. One example might be burning a flag outside a vetrens hospital where former POWs are. The same applies to other offensive forms of speach, such as flying a Nazi flag, burning a cross, spreading "hate speach" leaflets, etc.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-12-12 11:31pm

I see no problem with it. Does not get me upset, and it should never, ever be banned.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2003-12-12 11:32pm

CelesKnight wrote:I would say that it should be legal in general; however, there are times and places where it could be considered obscene enough for punishment of some kind--from breaking up the protest to a minor fine. One example might be burning a flag outside a vetrens hospital where former POWs are. The same applies to other offensive forms of speach, such as flying a Nazi flag, burning a cross, spreading "hate speach" leaflets, etc.

Why? I dig the Nazi/hate literature thing, but there's no law against being a dick. If I want to stand on public ground and yell into a veterans home that they're all pussies etc etc, thats not illegal. Well... maybe defamation. O.o But I think there is a huge difference between disrespect and crime. Come on, we're all TOLD to respect the flag, but we were all TOLD to respect our grade teachers too. If you don't earn it, you don't get it.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-13 12:10am

Burning crosses falls under intimidation and threatening speech.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-12-13 12:19am

weemadando wrote:Yeah, that'd be the one, but I think I might wait until this thread is DEFINATELY going to be locked before posting that.

Trolling is against board policy.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-12-13 12:26am

Dalton wrote:
weemadando wrote:Yeah, that'd be the one, but I think I might wait until this thread is DEFINATELY going to be locked before posting that.
Trolling is against board policy.

Hey, I've restrained myself thus far...

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