Tactical encounter with eco-terrorists

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-12-13 12:05am

What's a Framing Hammer?

I met a student once who advocated in class that spiking trees was okay. She got pretty scarred when everyone, and this is a class full of hippies, shouted her down and the teacher got serious about it. What cracks me up is this lady used paper products just like anyone else. Trees are renewable after all if treated properly. I commend your family for its good forestry habits.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-13 12:09am

A framing hammer is a hammer used for framing houses. It's not colossal, but it's probably a third again to half again larger than a normal hammer.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-12-13 12:49am

What is 'tree spike - ing'?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-12-13 12:52am

Its when you drive big nails into a tree, so that when'if a chainsaw is used on the tree it breaks the saw. It can also kill the operator if the chain whips back.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-12-13 12:53am

Rogue 9 wrote:Its when you drive big nails into a tree, so that when'if a chainsaw is used on the tree it breaks the saw. It can also kill the operator if the chain whips back.

Mother - fuckers!

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-12-13 12:53am

Where fucking idiots put long steel spikes into trees that are scheduled to be cut (or that they think are scheduled to be cut). The spikes go in deep and are generally somewhat concealed, they are also located at a certain height, so that when the cutting starts, the spike with damage or break the chain of the chainsaw.

The big problem is that when this happens, quite often the chain will flail out and hit the operator or a bystander. Not that the stupid fuckers think that its a bad thing, but I know a few people who've suffered that fate, and all of them have lost pretty large amounts of function in their arms and hands and others have lost them entirely.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-12-13 02:21am

TrailerParkJawa wrote:What's a Framing Hammer?

Imagine a mini-sledge hammer thats a tad bit larger than a normal hammer. (thats what the ones I've used looked like)

I met a student once who advocated in class that spiking trees was okay. She got pretty scarred when everyone, and this is a class full of hippies, shouted her down and the teacher got serious about it. What cracks me up is this lady used paper products just like anyone else. Trees are renewable after all if treated properly. I commend your family for its good forestry habits.

You know what's funny? These are the same people that pitch a fit when people thing a forest a little, yet wonder why forest fires spread so much so quickly.

marty4286 · Post by **marty4286** » 2003-12-13 03:18am

Eco-terrorists and Enviro-nutters should be stripped nude and thrown into rainforests.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-12-13 03:30am

marty4286 wrote:Eco-terrorists and Enviro-nutters should be stripped nude and thrown into rainforests.

Read Rainbow Six sometime.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2003-12-13 04:32am

Well, not at first you didn't.

marty4286 · Post by **marty4286** » 2003-12-13 04:34am

Rogue 9 wrote:
marty4286 wrote:Eco-terrorists and Enviro-nutters should be stripped nude and thrown into rainforests.
Read Rainbow Six sometime.

That's where I got the idea from

CDiehl · Post by **CDiehl** » 2003-12-13 04:44am

Aren't these three some wonderful freakin' people? They care so much that they are willing to kill, maim and permanently incapacitate members of the working class, and make their families paupers, in the name of the non-existent rights of plant life. Bunch of stupid self-hating humans. They don't get that they can think idiotic shit like that because they don't have to live close to nature, which would have taken their dumb asses out of the gene pool long ago given the chance.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2003-12-13 05:13am

Someone advocated spiking trees publicly, in class? Advocating attempted murder at school? Man, I'd like to have been there, if only to hear. What justification did she use, exactly? I've never understood how they think or why they think it, or even if they're thinking at all. The ones I bagged just spouted dire predictions of doom, global warming, and lack of oxygen.

A student usually gives reasons. Do you remember what she said?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-12-13 10:41am

Oh, I work at a place the rehabilitates are releases birds of prey, and have been warned about people who thinks it's wrong for us to hold them and try to release them. Hasn't happened since I started volunteering, but I almost hope it would, I have a lot of fustration I could use taking out right now.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-12-13 12:43pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Someone advocated spiking trees publicly, in class? Advocating attempted murder at school? Man, I'd like to have been there, if only to hear. What justification did she use, exactly? I've never understood how they think or why they think it, or even if they're thinking at all. The ones I bagged just spouted dire predictions of doom, global warming, and lack of oxygen. A student usually gives reasons. Do you remember what she said?

She likened the practice to be similar to a revolution. I actually think the harsh rebuke she received got through her skull. But just a bit. Kind of like a tiny seed, after a while she started to realize the impact of what spiking a tree would do.

Falkenhorst · Post by **Falkenhorst** » 2003-12-14 05:18am

Hey rogue, do you use big chainsaws made for your line of work, or do you use regular ones like you can get in the hardware store? I use Poulan chainsaws for cuttin up fallen trees and farm work too, and I've had where i'll be cuttin brush out of a fence and the trees sometimes grow up through the fence to where the wire is buried deep down inside the wood, but it never busts the chain. It just throws off some sparks and dulls up the blade. Also I have had chains break and come off the bar, but the way they're made they just fall slack immediately.

So my question is do you use bigger, more powerful saws or something, or what, cause I could see some bad shit happening if it was a bigger machine with alot more power involved.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-12-14 07:25am

I have delt with the Earth Firsters results in fire fighting too. Although I am into conservation and enviormental protection such stunts are just damn stupid and show very little concern for the life and limbs of fellow humans. Besides Tree Farmers actually REPLACE the wood that get's cut down, and it spares the old growth and standing deadwood in the parks and national forests from predation.

What dumb asses....

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2003-12-14 07:29am

...I want to try and defend eco-terrorists, but it would play out pretty much like the Freshman defending Communism.

A: It's not a bad idea, it's just implemented badly!
B: What, all the time?
A: Well no there's that one country... that...
B: Yea, okay. So if one case in twenty is sucessful, and the other nineteen kill 20 million people, that's a good system?
A: ...:runs away:

Yep. That's about how it would go.

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Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-12-14 07:30am

Oh, and Falk from experience real men use Husky's (Husquvana 2 meter chain saws). Real SMART men like me say fuck it, and use hydralic presses or cables+motors. (My grandpa built a hydralic wedge that one time split a diseased 800 year old tree. (we found a spike at the center of the infection go figure)

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-12-14 07:40am

I say good on you Rogue.

I'd have liked to have seen a paper cut in there.

Rathark · Post by **Rathark** » 2003-12-14 10:16am

Tree spiking is a notorious EarthFirst tactic. Are Greenpeace also stooping to that level? Christ, I used to respect them ages ago ...

In Australia a few years ago, Greenpeace members were standing around in public places asking passers by to sign up for membership. No pamphlets or flyers handed out, just sign up or walk away. I don't think they won over many new allies in the process ...

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-12-14 10:27am

Hats off to you.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-14 10:29am

Rathark wrote:In Australia a few years ago, Greenpeace members were standing around in public places asking passers by to sign up for membership. No pamphlets or flyers handed out, just sign up or walk away. I don't think they won over many new allies in the process ...

Fuck. This happened recently to me. They were around a shopping centre near where I live. I got into a conversation with this girl who tried to sign me up. At the time I was kinda neutral about the whole affair, but I took it as a chance to see what kind of people I was dealing with. They did exactly what you described - no flyers or pamphlets, sign up now or not at all, oh by the way Japanese corporations are evil and the Japanese people are ignorant etc.

I was prepared to give her $10 just to shut her up and let me be on my way - she refused, saying that she wanted me to sign up on a monthly plan. I should've told her where to stick her monthly plan, but ever the gentleman I just shrugged and walked away. I think I ended up buying some sushi with my money.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-14 10:32am

Oh, Rogue 9 - you kick arse. I wish I could walk around with my bokken. I don't think I could call it a "walking stick" in case the authorities pull over and question me about it though.

But still, damn fine work.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-12-15 12:14am

Good for you. Me, I would have tied them up and then rubbed ivy all over there faces and then talked to them about environmental policy while I watched their eyes swell shut.

An old highschool friend of mine went into the forestry service and was thinning a patch of cedars when he caught a spike. The chain cut right through his goggles and took out his eye. He hates eco-terrorists and all, but he still works and has a wicked-cool eyepatch.

While he was in the hospital his crew found someone spiking trees... apparently the guy was 100 feet up in a tree and fell, breaking both legs and six ribs and getting his head shaved