Why can't Jedi Fly?

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2003-12-12 06:05pm

I know this sound stupid but.... If they can support masses far larger than their own why can't they propel them self along; after all the Nightsisters could.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-12-12 06:19pm

Well, Jedi should be able to levitate (push off from the floor).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-12 06:44pm

Jedi can levitate and perform Force-assisted leaps. Perhaps flight is awkward to impliment all the time.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-12-12 06:47pm

Although you have to wonder with Obi Wan's plunge in AOTC why he just didn't stop himself from falling?

In his defense he obviously used the Force to slow his descent enough so he wasn't reduced to a red paste when he struck the speeder.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-12 06:51pm

Yoda was hovering on his little cushion in AOTC, so unless the cushion was a carefully disguised repulsorlift platform, he was levitating it and himself. It might also be argued that their superhuman strength is actually a function of telekinetics, so that they are able to jump 40 feet up in a single bound by levitation as much as leg strength.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-12 06:58pm

It seems far more likely to me that that was a repulsorlift platform than something he was sitting on, then levitating. Why would you waste your time with such a thing?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-12-12 07:11pm

I always thought of it as a repulsorlift cushion that Yoda pushed forward.

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2003-12-12 07:27pm

IIRC, Dooku hovered a bit in the Clone Wars cartoon.

About the cusion... Are we talking about that small chair he was hovering around on? It had some unknown objects attached to the bottom. I assumed those were repulsorlift devices.

Super-Gagme · Post by **Super-Gagme** » 2003-12-12 08:19pm

There is a Force Flight in SWD20 and it hasn't really been countered in Canon right? It isn't really like DBZ flight but just levitate although it can go quite high the better you get.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2003-12-12 08:33pm

Luke did it after his fighter was destroyed in The Courtship of Princess Leia.

EDIT: The Hapan prince wonders if that's how his family got the name "Skywalker."

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-12-12 11:16pm

Darth Wong wrote:*SNIP* It might also be argued that their superhuman strength is actually a function of telekinetics, so that they are able to jump 40 feet up in a single bound by levitation as much as leg strength.

that was my general understanding of it. that Jedi do not have superhuman strength, but use the force to multiply their abilities such as jumping long or high distances. After all it would appear tha Yoda used the force to improve his physical abilities in AotC during his duel with Dooku.
After all Luke did not exhibit superhuman abilities until after being trained in the use of the force.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-12 11:18pm

Duh, of course Jedi use the Force to increase their strength...

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-12-13 02:03am

Obi-Wan could accelerate at hundred+ gees as per TPM, and can send multi-ton battle droids flying with a casual wave of his hand. Moreover Yoda can levitate massivley heavy objects with little or no effort, so they shoudl be able to fly. There could be reasons limiting this:

1.) situational - if one is falling, it might be difficult to always "use" the Force, as tapping into it requires a certain degree of submission of will and this can be subject to disruption or distraction (in the case of Geonosis, he was being banged around quite a bit)

2.) endurance/concentration limitations - this could be tiring/difficult to do over long periods. Just because one can levitat a fighter for example,

3.) Belief - even though "Size Matters not" according to Yoda, we do know that disbelief or doubt can influence abilities. IT may be difficult for most Jedi to actually "Believe" they can defy gravity and fly.

4.) The Jedi quite often do not utilize their powers when practical or convenient - "last resort" neccessity seems to dictate more often than not - their rules/creed seem to stress minimal usage of the Force unless absolutely neccessary. This may extend to flight as well.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-12-13 02:16am

I tell you what though, if Jedi could fly, it would have made the ending of RotJ a lot more interesting ...

"I'm back!" ~ Palpatine

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-12-13 02:16am

5. As badly as Lucas has been doing lately, he doesn't want to plumb the depths of crap by seeming to imitate Dragonball Z(Curse you Wachowski Brothers!

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Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-12-13 06:59am

Connor MacLeod wrote:. Moreover Yoda can levitate massivley heavy objects with little or no effort, so they shoudl be able to fly. .

When?? In AOTC he's certinaly straning with thoose rocks and machinery.
And when dooku dropped the machinery on anakin & obi-wan. In ESB hjes out of breath by doing something as simple as lifting a X-Wing out of a swamp.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-13 07:01am

Dooku could have been pushing the objects he threw at Yoda, you know.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-12-13 07:03am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Dooku could have been pushing the objects he threw at Yoda, you know.

Either way its not an example of yoda casually throwing heavy objects around the room is it?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-13 07:10am

No, but him raising the X-wing is.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-12-13 07:35am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, but him raising the X-wing is.

Which is why of course he was heavily panting? Exhused after he lifted the X-Wing out? The key words i'm objecting to is "Little or no effort"

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-13 08:33am

Crazedwraith wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, but him raising the X-wing is.
Which is why of course he was heavily panting? Exhused after he lifted the X-Wing out? The key words i'm objecting to is "Little or no effort"

Uh, when the fuck was he panting? There was a strain, but he sure as shit wasn't panting.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-12-13 08:43am

Stofsk wrote:
Crazedwraith wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, but him raising the X-wing is.
Which is why of course he was heavily panting? Exhused after he lifted the X-Wing out? The key words i'm objecting to is "Little or no effort"
Uh, when the fuck was he panting? There was a strain, but he sure as shit wasn't panting.

Well its a long time since i've seen Esb but he seems ok when hes doing the actually lifting but after when luke goes " i'd don't beleive it!" Yoda wasn't Yoda breathing heavilily? he goes "that.....is why you...you fail".

Meh, maybe not. Like a say its been a years since i actually saw that bit.
My tape of its busted completely.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2003-12-13 08:52am

Crazedwraith wrote:
Stofsk wrote:Uh, when the fuck was he panting? There was a strain, but he sure as shit wasn't panting.
Well its a long time since i've seen Esb but he seems ok when hes doing the actually lifting but after when luke goes " i'd don't beleive it!" Yoda wasn't Yoda breathing heavilily? he goes "that.....is why you...you fail."

Yoda says it: "That is why you fail." It's unbroken with panting. During the actual lifting of the X-wing Yoda has his eyes closed and is almost motionless (meaning he's not breathing funny nor is he experiencing a strain in his movement). It is only after the X-wing is landed that Yoda looks tired, but he's still not panting.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-12-13 11:20am

Crazedwraith wrote:
Stofsk wrote:
Crazedwraith wrote: Which is why of course he was heavily panting? Exhused after he lifted the X-Wing out? The key words i'm objecting to is "Little or no effort"
Uh, when the fuck was he panting? There was a strain, but he sure as shit wasn't panting.
Well its a long time since i've seen Esb but he seems ok when hes doing the actually lifting but after when luke goes " i'd don't beleive it!" Yoda wasn't Yoda breathing heavilily? he goes "that.....is why you...you fail".

Meh, maybe not. Like a say its been a years since i actually saw that bit.
My tape of its busted completely.

He lets out a sigh...that's pretty much it. I can give the idea that may have been because of exertion but I attribute more to seeing a promising student fail at a task then that.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-12-13 12:28pm

More then likely, flying with the Light side of the Force is more difficult then flying with the Darkside.

After all, the Light Side requires calm and relaxation. Flying would be too damn cool to keep calm and relaxed.

Dark Side, thrives on fear, anger, aggression, like the rush of 'puny insects, tremble before my flying powers!'