Could the DS destroy all the borg

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Robert Walper wrote:
Shrykull wrote:Ok, so it was an assumption on my part, it just looks like a name a mature adult would call himself, Robert rather than Bob or Rob.
Blah! I hate the name Bob, and Rob I tolerate well enough.

But I'll take your statement as a compliment. :)

Unless you're implying I'm not like a mature adult. :wink: :P
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Ender wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:
Shrykull wrote:Ok, so it was an assumption on my part, it just looks like a name a mature adult would call himself, Robert rather than Bob or Rob.
Blah! I hate the name Bob, and Rob I tolerate well enough.

But I'll take your statement as a compliment. :)

Unless you're implying I'm not like a mature adult. :wink: :P
You post here. nuff said.
:shock: Since you put it that way, I can only agree. :P
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I'm also wondering, does the DS even need to shoot to destroy all the cubes? Could it just turn on it's shield and plow through them, shattering them against the shield?
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Except the Borg have the ability to "adapt" and make the enemies technology useless.

After a few cubes are destroyed, the Borg will become impervious to the attacks by the Turbo Lasers and the main attack beam. Which makes the Deathstar a sitting duck.

Or they'll just teleport the drones to the surface of the deathstar and assimilate the deathstar or take down all of the Turbo Lasers and eventually the main cannon.

Either case, the Borg win.
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ShinjiGohan wrote:Except the Borg have the ability to "adapt" and make the enemies technology useless.
Just like they "adapted" to Species 8472 technology —oh, that's right, they couldn't. 8472 were handing the Borg their asses.
After a few cubes are destroyed, the Borg will become impervious to the attacks by the Turbo Lasers and the main attack beam. Which makes the Deathstar a sitting duck.
Hate to tell you this, but turbolasers and the superlaser aren't frequency/phase dependent weapons but brute-force raw power beams. No amount of "adaptation" is going to help against a foe that can simply bring more sheer, raw firepower to the table.
Or they'll just teleport the drones to the surface of the deathstar and assimilate the deathstar or take down all of the Turbo Lasers and eventually the main cannon.
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SUUUUURE they will, kid. Nevermind how Trek transporters are easily blocked by magnetic fields or dense materials.
Either case, the Borg win.
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Patrick Degan wrote:
ShinjiGohan wrote:After a few cubes are destroyed, the Borg will become impervious to the attacks by the Turbo Lasers and the main attack beam. Which makes the Deathstar a sitting duck.
Hate to tell you this, but turbolasers and the superlaser aren't frequency/phase dependent weapons but brute-force raw power beams. No amount of "adaptation" is going to help against a foe that can simply bring more sheer, raw firepower to the table.
Why do people keep bringing up this fucking idiotic "Teh BORG can adapt 2 B invincibel 2 all attaks!11!!" bullshit. Jesus, that went out the window in First Contact as noted on at least two occasions in this very fucking thread.

The Borg had more than three hours to adapt to the standard Feddie weapons in use in the battle above Earth and were still heavily damaged by those weapons and were vulnerable to a concentrated strike by same.

For the village idiots, who apparently lack the cognitive skills needed to wipe their own asses, let's explain the significance of this. Borg shields can be overcome even by weapons to which those shields have adapted. Furthermore, the level of firepower needed to overload adapted was at least one order of magnitude below the firepower of LTLs.

IOW, even if Borg shields could adapt to turbolaser fire (which is highly unlikely, given their established behavior and underlying mechanisms), they'd still get blown through easily.

Could this concept be any fucking simpler?

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ShinjiGohan wrote:Except the Borg have the ability to "adapt" and make the enemies technology useless.
Yes, much like they've done with Federation Tech...which is why in FC they were still able to destroy the Borg Cube. :roll:
After a few cubes are destroyed, the Borg will become impervious to the attacks by the Turbo Lasers and the main attack beam. Which makes the Deathstar a sitting duck.
In addition to the first, there is also their superb adaption to 8472 destruction of Cubes...oh wait, they never did adapt.
Or they'll just teleport the drones to the surface of the deathstar and assimilate the deathstar or take down all of the Turbo Lasers and eventually the main cannon.
Wait, you mean they can transport through shields...damn why did never do that in BoBW, or FC?
Either case, the Borg win.
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ShinjiGohan wrote:Except the Borg have the ability to "adapt" and make the enemies technology useless.

After a few cubes are destroyed, the Borg will become impervious to the attacks by the Turbo Lasers and the main attack beam. Which makes the Deathstar a sitting duck.

Or they'll just teleport the drones to the surface of the deathstar and assimilate the deathstar or take down all of the Turbo Lasers and eventually the main cannon.

Either case, the Borg win.

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ShinjiGohan wrote:Except the Borg have the ability to "adapt" and make the enemies technology useless.
Perhaps myself being the local Borg fanboy and encyclopedia will make my points carry more weight with you.

Adaptation has limits. The Borg can optimize their shielding as much as they want...if the enemy has more energy output then their shields can possibly absorb...adaptation or not, the Borg lose.
After a few cubes are destroyed, the Borg will become impervious to the attacks by the Turbo Lasers and the main attack beam.
Sorry, total BS. There's not one shred of evidence to suggest the Borg or their vessels could ever withstand the DS's primary weapon system, or even a significant fraction of it. Species 8472 energy pulses tore apart cubes repeatedly, and their firepower is insignificant compared to the DS's primary weapon system.
Which makes the Deathstar a sitting duck.
That's like saying a modern US tank is a sitting duck for a teenager with a slingshot.
Or they'll just teleport the drones to the surface of the deathstar and assimilate the deathstar or take down all of the Turbo Lasers and eventually the main cannon.
It's highly unlikely Borg transporters could ever penetrate the DS's shielding(unless they lowered them for the chance for some target practice against boarding drones). It's moot point anyhow since the DS would butcher any Borg vessels within range of it's primary weapon system.
Either case, the Borg win.
Hey, I'm the the resident Borg wanker, fanboy, encyclopedia, you name it. And I don't make the claims you do because they are simply not logical. Trust me.
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Robert Walper wrote:Hey, I'm the the resident Borg wanker, fanboy, encyclopedia, you name it.
Well, you've got to respect that!
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