Borg Drones vs Jawas

[Robert Walper]

For the record, let's do the following:

Remove said sphere from scenario. Done.
Remove potential Borg personal energy weapons. Done.
Remove potential adapting Borg personal shielding. Done.

So what we're left with is shieldless, weaponless Borg. Yet they still have a enormous numerical advantage which I've made clear a number of times given the potential and canonly known crew capacity of said Borg sphere. Unless the Jawa "group" mentioned in the OP is numbering in the hundreds or thousands, the Borg could simply swarm over them and win.

Any questions?

[SirNitram]

For the record, let's do the following:

Remove said sphere from scenario. Done.
Remove potential Borg personal energy weapons. Done.
Remove potential adapting Borg personal shielding. Done.

So what we're left with is shieldless, weaponless Borg. Yet they still have a enormous numerical advantage which I've made clear a number of times given the potential and canonly known crew capacity of said Borg sphere. Unless the Jawa "group" mentioned in the OP is numbering in the hundreds or thousands, the Borg could simply swarm over them and win.

Any questions?

Yes. Why are you so retarded you think that melee swarms work against people with ranged weapons and armoured vehicles? Were you stuck headfirst in a blender as a child?

[Robert Walper]

For the record, let's do the following:

Remove said sphere from scenario. Done.
Remove potential Borg personal energy weapons. Done.
Remove potential adapting Borg personal shielding. Done.

So what we're left with is shieldless, weaponless Borg. Yet they still have a enormous numerical advantage which I've made clear a number of times given the potential and canonly known crew capacity of said Borg sphere. Unless the Jawa "group" mentioned in the OP is numbering in the hundreds or thousands, the Borg could simply swarm over them and win.

Any questions?

Yes. Why are you so retarded you think that melee swarms work against people with ranged weapons and armoured vehicles? Were you stuck headfirst in a blender as a child?

Jeez, and I thought the OP said the Jawas were going to try and capture these Borg rather than using their "armored" vehicles and slugthrowers to kill them?

Ok smartass, you are given one hundred troops, armed with slug throwers and other ranged weaponry. You're faced with a enemy (numbering in the thousands)that doesn't care about losses and has no fear. Your goal is to capture these individuals. Please explain how you do this when you're outnumbered at least ten to one.

[SirNitram]

For the record, let's do the following:

Remove said sphere from scenario. Done.
Remove potential Borg personal energy weapons. Done.
Remove potential adapting Borg personal shielding. Done.

So what we're left with is shieldless, weaponless Borg. Yet they still have a enormous numerical advantage which I've made clear a number of times given the potential and canonly known crew capacity of said Borg sphere. Unless the Jawa "group" mentioned in the OP is numbering in the hundreds or thousands, the Borg could simply swarm over them and win.

Any questions?

Yes. Why are you so retarded you think that melee swarms work against people with ranged weapons and armoured vehicles? Were you stuck headfirst in a blender as a child?

Jeez, and I thought the OP said the Jawas were going to try and capture these Borg rather than using their "armored" vehicles and slugthrowers to kill them?

They have guns which fry circuitry. That'll do for capture. Again, why are you this stupid? Melee swarms without support have never worked against a foe with ranged weapons, not since someone realized you can make javelins and bows back in the stone age.

Ok smartass, you are given one hundred troops, armed with slug throwers and other ranged weaponry. You're faced with a enemy (numbering in the thousands)that doesn't care about losses and has no fear. Your goal is to capture these individuals. Please explain how you do this when you're outnumbered at least ten to one.

Fry their circuits.

Oh, are you going to be giving your precious Borg yet more abilities they don't have, so you can stop feeling so bad you're getting your ass beaten in this debate? What now, do they have the ability to think freely when captured?

[Kuja]

Unless the Jawa "group" mentioned in the OP is numbering in the hundreds or thousands, the Borg could simply swarm over them and win.

Any questions?

Yeah. If I'm standing at one end of a football field with a rifle, and you and fifteen friends are standing at the other end, and all of you slowly walk towards me, are you going to be able to touch me before I gun you all down?

Remember, you don't move any quicker than a slow walk and I can shoot you in the knees or arms any time I want to ensure your debilitation.


This is quite similar to what the drones are going to have to do.

[SirNitram]

Unless the Jawa "group" mentioned in the OP is numbering in the hundreds or thousands, the Borg could simply swarm over them and win.

Any questions?

Yeah. If I'm standing at one end of a football field with a rifle, and you and fifteen friends are standing at the other end, and all of you slowly walk towards me, are you going to be able to touch me before I gun you all down?

Remember, you don't move any quicker than a slow walk and I can shoot you in the knees or arms any time I want to ensure your debilitation.


This is quite similar to what the drones are going to have to do.

I'd more draw the comparisons to the famous battles of WWI where 'human wave' tactics resulted in tens of thousands dead and the few hundred machinegunners defending suffering no casualties outside of infections from the bunkers. And that was when the attackers had guns..

[Robert Walper]

Jeez, and I thought the OP said the Jawas were going to try and capture these Borg rather than using their "armored" vehicles and slugthrowers to kill them?

They have guns which fry circuitry. That'll do for capture.

So Jawa ion guns will disable Borg instead of killing them, despite said Borg being dependent upon their articifical systems to survive? Present evidence.

Again, why are you this stupid? Melee swarms without support have never worked against a foe with ranged weapons, not since someone realized you can make javelins and bows back in the stone age.

So a guy with a ranged weapon(like, a pistol) could easily hold off a group of unarmed people that outnumber him a hundred to one? Note: said group doesn't care about losses and isn't concerned about personal well being, they are only concerned about killing or disabling him. Ranged weaponry has an advantage, but that advantage can be nullified against a foe of sufficient numerical superiority, which the Borg clearly have.

Ok smartass, you are given one hundred troops, armed with slug throwers and other ranged weaponry. You're faced with a enemy (numbering in the thousands)that doesn't care about losses and has no fear. Your goal is to capture these individuals. Please explain how you do this when you're outnumbered at least ten to one.

Fry their circuits.

Explain how the ability to disable/kill a Borg with a ranged weapon allows the Jawas to deal with a swarm of them that outnumbers them, in all probability, hundreds to one.

Oh, are you going to be giving your precious Borg yet more abilities they don't have, so you can stop feeling so bad you're getting your ass beaten in this debate? What now, do they have the ability to think freely when captured?

Actually, I stripped the Borg of a great deal of their advantages, and they still get handed victory. Apparently you don't see how this makes it obvious the Borg win.

Are you suggesting this group of Jawas number greater than a hundred, or even a few dozen?

[SirNitram]

Jeez, and I thought the OP said the Jawas were going to try and capture these Borg rather than using their "armored" vehicles and slugthrowers to kill them?

They have guns which fry circuitry. That'll do for capture.

So Jawa ion guns will disable Borg instead of killing them, despite said Borg being dependent upon their articifical systems to survive? Present evidence.

A droid needs electronic components to survive, but hits from an ion gun merely disable. I'm assuming the Borg are actually intelligently made, here, and not having yet another vunerability in their massive stack.

Again, why are you this stupid? Melee swarms without support have never worked against a foe with ranged weapons, not since someone realized you can make javelins and bows back in the stone age.

So a guy with a ranged weapon(like, a pistol) could easily hold off a group of unarmed people that outnumber him a hundred to one? Note: said group doesn't care about losses and isn't concerned about personal well being, they are only concerned about killing or disabling him. Ranged weaponry has an advantage, but that advantage can be nullified against a foe of sufficient numerical superiority, which the Borg clearly have.

You know, you should go read about WWI. It would enlighten you endless as to the futility of rushing an opponent who has superior range and rate of fire. Tens of thousands dying to a few hundred on a hill, over and over and over. And that was when the attacker's had guns.

Ok smartass, you are given one hundred troops, armed with slug throwers and other ranged weaponry. You're faced with a enemy (numbering in the thousands)that doesn't care about losses and has no fear. Your goal is to capture these individuals. Please explain how you do this when you're outnumbered at least ten to one.

Fry their circuits.

Explain how the ability to disable/kill a Borg with a ranged weapon allows the Jawas to deal with a swarm of them that outnumbers them, in all probability, hundreds to one.

Ranged weapons. There isn't a need for much else. History has taught the painful lesson that human wave attacks only create mass graves.

Oh, are you going to be giving your precious Borg yet more abilities they don't have, so you can stop feeling so bad you're getting your ass beaten in this debate? What now, do they have the ability to think freely when captured?

Actually, I stripped the Borg of a great deal of their advantages, and they still get handed victory. Apparently you don't see how this makes it obvious the Borg win.

Clue for the clueless: Just because you say the Borg win does not make it so.

Are you suggesting this group of Jawas number greater than a hundred, or even a few dozen?

No. They don't need to. WWI taught us that lesson... Then again, you seem to be a victim of American education.

[Robert Walper]

They have guns which fry circuitry. That'll do for capture.

So Jawa ion guns will disable Borg instead of killing them, despite said Borg being dependent upon their articifical systems to survive? Present evidence.

A droid needs electronic components to survive, but hits from an ion gun merely disable. I'm assuming the Borg are actually intelligently made, here, and not having yet another vunerability in their massive stack.

For the moment, we'll agree on this.

You know, you should go read about WWI. It would enlighten you endless as to the futility of rushing an opponent who has superior range and rate of fire.

I'll look forward to your evidence that Jawa ion guns have impressive rates of fire, and a large stockpile of ammunition to feed into them.

Tens of thousands dying to a few hundred on a hill, over and over and over. And that was when the attacker's had guns.

I look forward to your evidence that a few dozen Jawas can accomplish an equivalent feat against thousands of Borg enemies, with weapons that you haven't yet shown have impressive rates of fire and large stockpiles of ammunition to feed them.

Ranged weapons. There isn't a need for much else. History has taught the painful lesson that human wave attacks only create mass graves.

Against large numbers of high fire rate weaponry with larger stockpiles of ammunition, which you have yet to provide any shred of proof suggesting the Jawas having either.

Clue for the clueless: Just because you say the Borg win does not make it so.

True, I submit evidence in the form of episode names and descriptions for said abilities. You on the other hand, make wild claims about Jawa ion weaponry having impressive rates of fire, and said Jawas having a large stockpile of ammunition on hand despite being described as on the edge of bankruptcy. I assume you're going to submit evidence to the contrary...otherwise you're full of hot air.

No. They don't need to. WWI taught us that lesson... Then again, you seem to be a victim of American education.

And you seem to assume I'm going take your word about Jawa weaponry having high speed fire rates and vast quantities of ammunition on hand against a foe that outnumbers them hundreds to one. This is particularily amusing given I've never seen or even heard of such evidence, and the Jawas are described as being virtually bankrupt to boot! With this much firepower on hand they shouldn't be near bankruptcy. They could even sell this enormous amount of weaponry and ammunition to get some funds to re-establish their economic stability.

[SirNitram]

Let's break this down for your limited mind:

Any rate of fire is superior to walking. slowly. at. your. foe.

Is that too difficult for you? Do you need it in crayon?

[Robert Walper]

Let's break this down for your limited mind:

Any rate of fire is superior to walking. slowly. at. your. foe.

Is that too difficult for you? Do you need it in crayon?

Present any evidence that Jawa ion guns possess the capability to be fired more than once without reloading.

Present any evidence Jawas have enough ammunition on hand to disable thousands of enemy units, despite being described as on the verge of bankruptcy.

[SirNitram]

Let's break this down for your limited mind:

Any rate of fire is superior to walking. slowly. at. your. foe.

Is that too difficult for you? Do you need it in crayon?

Present any evidence that Jawa ion guns possess the capability to be fired more than once without reloading.

West End Games, Star Wars Sourcebook(Sourcebook for Episode IV). Refire equal to blaster rifles(Shown on Mike's site to be capable of full auto), 100 rounds per clip.

Present any evidence Jawas have enough ammunition on hand to disable thousands of enemy units, despite being described as on the verge of bankruptcy.

100 Jawas * 100 shots per clip * n clips per jawa...

[Robert Walper]

Present any evidence that Jawa ion guns possess the capability to be fired more than once without reloading.

West End Games, Star Wars Sourcebook(Sourcebook for Episode IV). Refire equal to blaster rifles(Shown on Mike's site to be capable of full auto), 100 rounds per clip.

We'll use that figure for the moment.

Present any evidence Jawas have enough ammunition on hand to disable thousands of enemy units, despite being described as on the verge of bankruptcy.

100 Jawas * 100 shots per clip * n clips per jawa...

-You upped Jawa numbers from a couple of dozen to one hundred.
-You've ignored their state of being on the verge of bankruptcy.
-You've failed to submit evidence to suggest Jawas have that much ammuntion or that many numbers.
-100 Jawas with 100 rounds equals 10,000 shots against Borg. Perfect shots(no misfires, no misses) equals 10,000 disabled Borg. Since I've established said sphere as having potentially 11,000 to 94,000 drones on hand, Jawas run out of ammo before Borg run out of drones.

Can you do better?

[SirNitram]

Present any evidence that Jawa ion guns possess the capability to be fired more than once without reloading.

West End Games, Star Wars Sourcebook(Sourcebook for Episode IV). Refire equal to blaster rifles(Shown on Mike's site to be capable of full auto), 100 rounds per clip.

We'll use that figure for the moment.

Present any evidence Jawas have enough ammunition on hand to disable thousands of enemy units, despite being described as on the verge of bankruptcy.

100 Jawas * 100 shots per clip * n clips per jawa...

-You upped Jawa numbers from a couple of dozen to one hundred.

Funny, you've been saying a few hundred... I suppose you changing your story in midstream is no different from this thread..

-You've ignored their state of being on the verge of bankruptcy.

If I had defined n as exceptionally high, this would be so. However, prices quoted for an energy cell are about the same as a glass of water on Tatooine.

-You've failed to submit evidence to suggest Jawas have that much ammuntion or that many numbers.

Again, you're acting as if n was defined exceptionally high, when it was not defined at all. Even defining n as one, we get a round of 10,000 shots with just the ion rifles, enough to route most of the force.

-100 Jawas with 100 rounds equals 10,000 shots against Borg. Perfect shots(no misfires, no misses) equals 10,000 disabled Borg. Since I've established said sphere as having potentially 11,000 to 94,000 drones on hand, Jawas run out of ammo before Borg run out of drones.

Now you hop from declaring that n is too high to declaring n must be 1... How dishonest of you. Given that your laughable population figure does not jive with the canon events and has nothing but supposition to support it, you'll excuse me if I laugh at you. This also disregards the Jawas having any other weapons on their Crawler, something which was observed to be chuck full of things, and IIRC, against the OP which gave them slugthrowers as well.

Can you do better?

Than pointing out your fallacious debating methods?

[Kuja]

*cough*

[Robert Walper]

-You upped Jawa numbers from a couple of dozen to one hundred.

Funny, you've been saying a few hundred... I suppose you changing your story in midstream is no different from this thread..

Present the quote where I said the Borg are engaging a few hundred Jawas.

-You've ignored their state of being on the verge of bankruptcy.

If I had defined n as exceptionally high, this would be so. However, prices quoted for an energy cell are about the same as a glass of water on Tatooine.

Then present your evidence that every Jawa would and should have an ion gun and clips to go with it. I was merely humoring your ridiculas claim that this Jawa group numbered one hundred strong, and each one had a ion gun with at least one clip for it.

Additionally, please explain, what droid armies do the Jawa's encounter in the desert anyhow? Given the ridiculas amount of firepower you've given them, they could certainly take out one.

-You've failed to submit evidence to suggest Jawas have that much ammuntion or that many numbers.

Again, you're acting as if n was defined exceptionally high, when it was not defined at all.

Naw, just your assumption there is a hundred Jawas present at this encounter and each with their own ion gun with at least one clip each. I'll give you credit, I'm beginning to understand why said Jawas are on the verge of bankruptcy...they got enough firewpower to take out an entire droid army. Not quite the impression I got from the movies, but you must have seen another one I'm not familar with.

Even defining n as one, we get a round of 10,000 shots with just the ion rifles, enough to route most of the force.

Which is based upon an extremely generous number of Jawas, and number of ion guns per Jawa.

-100 Jawas with 100 rounds equals 10,000 shots against Borg. Perfect shots(no misfires, no misses) equals 10,000 disabled Borg. Since I've established said sphere as having potentially 11,000 to 94,000 drones on hand, Jawas run out of ammo before Borg run out of drones.

Now you hop from declaring that n is too high to declaring n must be 1... How dishonest of you.

I figured N as being 1 most definitely, since I considered the 100 Jawas with 100 guns, 1 clip each, no misfires, no misses an extremely generous estimation in this scenario.

Given that your laughable population figure does not jive with the canon events

The 11,000 drones on a Borg sphere is a canon reference. The submitted calculation on how many drones said sphere can potentially hold is also a generous lower limit.

and has nothing but supposition to support it, you'll excuse me if I laugh at you. This also disregards the Jawas having any other weapons on their Crawler, something which was observed to be chuck full of things, and IIRC, against the OP which gave them slugthrowers as well.

Actually, the OP gave the Jawas no such thing. The goal of the Jawas was to capture these drones, not kill them. I did not see Jawas with slugthrowers in ANH, or any other weapon for that matter besides one ion gun that apparently was the armament of an entire group of them.

Can you do better?

Than pointing out your fallacious debating methods?

No, actually, I meant using generously large numbers(for both manpower and weaponry available) for the Jawas which still proves they lose.

[Connor MacLeod]

A quick question to all concerned. Why exactly, is it assumed that the rogue Borg witnessed in STTNG "Descent" added their personal firearms, despite Seven's example of Borg drones having them in the first place? I've seen no evidence to suggest such a thing, and Seven's example does suggest the Borg already equip drones with these types of weaponry.

An ability exhibited by Borg who are no longer part of the Collective, not the same thing as "The Borg" as a whole having them.
And even if we *do* attribute the ability to 7 while part of the Collective, this hardly means *other* Borg have it also, an unfounded leap in logic in your part.

The biggest arguments I've seen here against this evidence is "oh we don't see them use it, therefore they don't have it, you can't use Seven as an example, you can't use rogue Borg as example", etc, etc.

This seems rather a stupid assertion to me since the Borg have been seen to engage mostly Starfleet personal who's weapons become useless against them. Given the Borg's desire for efficency, firing off their energy weapons for no valid reason seems absurd. As the FC example clearly shows, the Borg had little or next to no problem taking decks at ease, capturing enemy units and maintaining their numbes at was appears to be a more than sufficient level.

They never stunned Picard or Worf when they were harming them with these "ranged weapons". Moreover, how is it more efficient to waste time and move up *close* to an enemy who will struggle when you can more simply stun them at a distance and then assimilate them when they are unconscious?

Furthermore, what about 8472? If they'd ever used those energy weapons aginst them (especially the kill setting) you'd have mentioned the instances, and they clearly were not harmless to the Borg.

[Connor MacLeod]

Of course, Walper neglects to mention just WHAT said canon reference for 11,000 Borg is.

[Connor MacLeod]

Examples I've stated show that they clearly have it. They obviously rarely use, but they have the capability which is the question.

Even if they do have it, its totally irrelevant to the debate at hand, because its either rare enough that the vast majority of Borg do not carry it or are too fucking stupid to know when to use an energy weapon when it would benefit them. And either way, it means its irrelevant to the debate at hand, making it one fucking massive red herring you deliberately tossed into this debate - just one more fallacy to pile onto that mountian of bullshit you are building.

This is much like Obi Wan's fight with Jango Fett in AOTC. He would have greatly benefitted from pulling Jango Fett's weapons out of his hands. He didn't, therefore he cannot? Makes sense? This is the exact method you are employing to determine the Borg cannot use their energy weapons because they rarely do(nor have the need).

Maybe he never did so because he was too busy *deflecting* shots? Did that ever occur to you, retard?

[Connor MacLeod]

Jeez, and I thought the OP said the Jawas were going to try and capture these Borg rather than using their "armored" vehicles and slugthrowers to kill them?

HEre we see the dishonest pussy, aka Robert Walper, changing tactics yet again and sticking to the literal letter of the OP, even though it has been pointed out he himself has ignored the OP on at least one occasion already.

[Robert Walper]

Jeez, and I thought the OP said the Jawas were going to try and capture these Borg rather than using their "armored" vehicles and slugthrowers to kill them?

HEre we see the dishonest pussy, aka Robert Walper, changing tactics yet again and sticking to the literal letter of the OP, even though it has been pointed out he himself has ignored the OP on at least one occasion already.

Please submit the post or evidence I ignored the OP at some point.

[Robert Walper]

Of course, Walper neglects to mention just WHAT said canon reference for 11,000 Borg is.

Of course I did. You're just too fucking lazy to read the thread, or ignoring my posts until you find one you think you can nitpick. You just jump in here and there to nitpick little shit that has been addressed already, like this example.

For your convenience, I'll restate the canon source. In STVOY "Unimatrix Zero", the Borg Queen has a visual of a Borg sphere. Quote: "Sphere 878. Crew complement: 11,000 drones."

I then further submitted calculations that would justify a Borg sphere of 600 meters in diameter being able to easily accomodate over 94,000 drones utlizing only 1% of it's total volume.

It's dumb shits like you that make debating this topic next to impossible. You either ignore evidence which I've previously posted, or you make me repeat myself...over...and over...and over...again. It's like talking to a wall(no offense to walls, which frankly strike me smarter than you).

And then you sum up your opinion with "Well, I don't accept that evidence as admissible!"

[SirNitram]

-You upped Jawa numbers from a couple of dozen to one hundred.

Funny, you've been saying a few hundred... I suppose you changing your story in midstream is no different from this thread..

Present the quote where I said the Borg are engaging a few hundred Jawas.

Where you were 'humouring' me, as you now claim?

Doesn't matter. WWI required hundreds to knock down tens of thousands, but those tens of thousands had guns. The Borg don't even have that. The Borg don't even have fucking spears.

-You've ignored their state of being on the verge of bankruptcy.

If I had defined n as exceptionally high, this would be so. However, prices quoted for an energy cell are about the same as a glass of water on Tatooine.

Then present your evidence that every Jawa would and should have an ion gun and clips to go with it. I was merely humoring your ridiculas claim that this Jawa group numbered one hundred strong, and each one had a ion gun with at least one clip for it.

WEG Star Wars Sourcebook, where it gives the inventory of an average Jawa as an ion rifle and three clips for it.

Additionally, please explain, what droid armies do the Jawa's encounter in the desert anyhow? Given the ridiculas amount of firepower you've given them, they could certainly take out one.

Ask whoever made WEG.

-You've failed to submit evidence to suggest Jawas have that much ammuntion or that many numbers.

Again, you're acting as if n was defined exceptionally high, when it was not defined at all.

Naw, just your assumption there is a hundred Jawas present at this encounter and each with their own ion gun with at least one clip each. I'll give you credit, I'm beginning to understand why said Jawas are on the verge of bankruptcy...they got enough firewpower to take out an entire droid army. Not quite the impression I got from the movies, but you must have seen another one I'm not familar with.

Here we see a Trekkie, all his arguments destroyed, fleeing into the wastes

Even defining n as one, we get a round of 10,000 shots with just the ion rifles, enough to route most of the force.

Which is based upon an extremely generous number of Jawas, and number of ion guns per Jawa.

Yea, life's such a bitch when we use your number of Jawas and an official notation for equipment. It must suck to know your chosen side can't come up with a spear, yet some junker collectors have enough to pound them.

-100 Jawas with 100 rounds equals 10,000 shots against Borg. Perfect shots(no misfires, no misses) equals 10,000 disabled Borg. Since I've established said sphere as having potentially 11,000 to 94,000 drones on hand, Jawas run out of ammo before Borg run out of drones.

Now you hop from declaring that n is too high to declaring n must be 1... How dishonest of you.

I figured N as being 1 most definitely, since I considered the 100 Jawas with 100 guns, 1 clip each, no misfires, no misses an extremely generous estimation in this scenario.

So in your world, people who depend on their weapons for a living never carry anything to reload? Just be lucky I didn't throw in the Ion Deck Clearer.. One of those on the back of the 'Crawler and you can throw an entire Cube at them and fail.

Given that your laughable population figure does not jive with the canon events

The 11,000 drones on a Borg sphere is a canon reference. The submitted calculation on how many drones said sphere can potentially hold is also a generous lower limit.

Because we know Sphere's dispatched to kill Voyager are equal to escape pods.

and has nothing but supposition to support it, you'll excuse me if I laugh at you. This also disregards the Jawas having any other weapons on their Crawler, something which was observed to be chuck full of things, and IIRC, against the OP which gave them slugthrowers as well.

Actually, the OP gave the Jawas no such thing. The goal of the Jawas was to capture these drones, not kill them. I did not see Jawas with slugthrowers in ANH, or any other weapon for that matter besides one ion gun that apparently was the armament of an entire group of them.

Oh well. Official info gives the Jawas more than enough ammo to do the job. It's not like they're gonna be outrun by the zombies.

Can you do better?

Than pointing out your fallacious debating methods?

No, actually, I meant using generously large numbers(for both manpower and weaponry available) for the Jawas which still proves they lose.

Only in your head.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Actually, the OP gave the Jawas no such thing. The goal of the Jawas was to capture these drones, not kill them. I did not see Jawas with slugthrowers in ANH, or any other weapon for that matter besides one ion gun that apparently was the armament of an entire group of them.

Even though we accept Robbie's ridiculous number of 11,000 drones, I don't see why it would be a problem with the Jawas.

Let assume the Jawas manage to disable 200 drones, and then they're out of ion gun ammos. Do you think the Jawa will simply sit there and wait for the rest 10,800 slow moving drones to assimilate them?

Now, after the Jawa's running out of ion gun ammos, what's keeping them from killing the remaining drones? Do the Jawas have to capture them *ALL*?

If you're a businessman, and your "purchasing capacity" is 100 units, would you insist buying up 10,000 units and screw yourself, when 100 units is sufficient?

one ion gun that apparently was the armament of an entire group of them.

One ion gun achieved their goal of capturing R2. I don't see why they need to draw more guns.

[YT300000]

Of course, Walper neglects to mention just WHAT said canon reference for 11,000 Borg is.

Of course I did. You're just too fucking lazy to read the thread, or ignoring my posts until you find one you think you can nitpick. You just jump in here and there to nitpick little shit that has been addressed already, like this example.

For your convenience, I'll restate the canon source. In STVOY "Unimatrix Zero", the Borg Queen has a visual of a Borg sphere. Quote: "Sphere 878. Crew complement: 11,000 drones."
I then further submitted calculations that would justify a Borg sphere of 600 meters in diameter being able to easily accomodate over 94,000 drones utlizing only 1% of it's total volume.

It's dumb shits like you that make debating this topic next to impossible. You either ignore evidence which I've previously posted, or you make me repeat myself...over...and over...and over...again. It's like talking to a wall(no offense to walls, which frankly strike me smarter than you).

And then you sum up your opinion with "Well, I don't accept that evidence as admissible!"

Big problem: Prove it's a 450-600 m escape-pod style sphere and not a big one (like the one which followed Voyager into the transwarp conduit in Endgame).

Also, according to the same episode as you sourced (Unimatrix Zero) cube 630 (3 km side length) has 64 000 Borg, so a sphere 300 m in diameter having 94 000 is ludicrious.