Now this isn't likely to help Bush get re-elected...

[Iceberg]

Head of 9/11 investigative commission says that the government had the information to see 9/11 coming and should have been able to prevent it.

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-Durandal

[Iceberg]

Gack. Dammit. Somebody please fix that tag?

[Dorsk 81]

I think I heard something like that a while back.
Hasn't it lead to a whole bunch of theories that GWB let 9/11 happen so he could pin it on Osama and then try and connect him to Hussein so he could finish what his daddy started?
I swear I've seen/heard something along those lines.

[TheDarkling]

Does everything in the US revolve around the eternal clash between Democrats and Republicans ?

[SirNitram]

Does everything in the US revolve around the eternal clash between Democrats and Republicans ?

Pretty much.

[Hamel]

I think I heard something like that a while back.
Hasn't it lead to a whole bunch of theories that GWB let 9/11 happen so he could pin it on Osama and then try and connect him to Hussein so he could finish what his daddy started?
I swear I've seen/heard something along those lines.

It's the LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) theory

[Dorsk 81]

I think I heard something like that a while back.
Hasn't it lead to a whole bunch of theories that GWB let 9/11 happen so he could pin it on Osama and then try and connect him to Hussein so he could finish what his daddy started?
I swear I've seen/heard something along those lines.

It's the LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) theory

Nah, it had a proper glourified name and a buncha people behind it, although LIHOP would still work.

[Joe]

Will be following.

[MKSheppard]

So? We knew on December 6th that the Japs were going to attack us. What
we didn't know was WHERE and WHEN.

We were all expecting them to hit the phillipines, not hawaii.

[Peregrin Toker]

Head of 9/11 investigative commission says that the government had the information to see 9/11 coming and should have been able to prevent it.

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-Durandal

Couldn't it have been prevented already when Clinton was in power??


However, Bush will probably get re-elected thanks to the global mind-control network which will be activated in the spring of 2004.

[Keevan_Colton]

Couldn't it have been prevented already when Clinton was in power??


However, Bush will probably get re-elected thanks to the global mind-control network which will be activated in the spring of 2004.

Actually Yuri has just released a statement that its gone well over budget and is looking to over run its schedule too....

As for the 9/11 thing, Osama was being watched during the Clinton era...

[Hamel]

Couldn't it have been prevented already when Clinton was in power??

Clinton tried to push anti-terrorism legislation in '96 (and it wasn't some Patriot wannabe) and the repubs said "no thanks"

One thing I suppose you could have pinned on Clinton was the CIA and administration not raising an eyebrow over suspicious people getting piloting training in the US.

However, the Bush administration got warnings up the ass and around the district from Israel, Russia, Egypt and Germany. The NSA intercepted 2 messages in 9/10, warning that something would happen the next day. We're talking multiple sources warning them that something was going to happen. Everything considered, it wasn't "vague bullshit".

Add in Jeb Bush putting Florida under martial law for no apparent reason on the 7th, and you have something that doesn't smell right.

However, Bush will probably get re-elected thanks to the global mind-control network which will be activated in the spring of 2004.

Either that or having Diebold rig the electronic vote machines in his favor.

[CaptainChewbacca]

Considering Bush is the one in charge of the FBI, CIA, and NSA and is responsible for gathering and correlating all of the intelligence, I can see how this is personally his fault.

NOT!

[Death from the Sea]

Couldn't it have been prevented already when Clinton was in power??

Only if he actually delivered on any of his promises to "bring those responsible to justice" for terrorist bombings made against the U.S. on several occassions during his administration, then yes Clinton could have stopped Osama.

[KrauserKrauser]

If Clinton wasn't nose up in Intern at the time, he could have stopped Osama. Oh well certainly can't find fault with a man because he can't control his own penis. Oh wait, yes you can.

[Hamel]

Couldn't it have been prevented already when Clinton was in power??

Only if he actually delivered on any of his promises to "bring those responsible to justice" for terrorist bombings made against the U.S. on several occassions during his administration, then yes Clinton could have stopped Osama.

Bzzzzt. Wrongo

From Snopes:

* On 26 February 1993, a car loaded with 1,200 pounds of explosives blew up in a parking garage under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring about a thousand others. The blast did not, as its planners intended, bring down the towers — that was finally accomplished by flying two hijacked airliners into the twin towers on the morning of 11 September 2001.

Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March 1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995, convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to 240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is believed to be living in Baghdad.

* On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied permission to see or question the suspects before they were convicted and beheaded in May 1996.

* On 25 June 1996, a booby-trapped truck loaded with 5,000 pounds of explosives was exploded outside the Khobar Towers apartment complex which housed United States military personnel in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing nineteen Americans and wounding about three hundred others. Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.

On 21 June 2001, just before the American statute of limitations would have expired, a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, indicted thirteen Saudis and an unidentified Lebanese chemist for the Khobar Towers bombing. The suspects remain in Saudi custody, beyond the reach of the American justice system. (Saudi Arabia has no extradition treaty with the U.S.)

* On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000 others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting extradition in London.

* On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an explosives-laden skiff next to the USS Cole while it was refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed 17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.

(The USS Cole bombing occurred one month before the 2000 presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed before the end of President Clinton's term of office three months later.)

In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the attack on the USS Cole). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in The Washington Post:

In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation — from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) — that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.

. . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed — he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier — recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world.

. . . people maintain Clinton should have adapted Bush's policy promising that regimes that harbor terrorism will be treated as severely as terrorists themselves, and threatening to evict the Taliban from power in Afghanistan unless leaders meet his demands to produce bin Laden and associates. But Clinton aides said such a policy — potentially involving a full-scale war in central Asia — was not plausible before politics the world over became transformed by one of history's most lethal acts of terrorism.

Clinton's former national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger . . . said there [was] little prospect . . . that Pakistan would have helped the United States wage war against bin Laden or the Taliban in 1998, even after such outrages as the bombing of U.S. embassies overseas.

[The Cleric]

Yes, Bush let thousands of American citizens die, not to mention tank the economy, because he wanted to find some more reasons to remove SH from power. Yeah, that sounds likely.

[SirNitram]

Not the first time I've heard the theory, and my thoughts on it don't change much. It sounds for all the world like someone in the upper ranks blew it off as hot air, and now there's people dead for it. I love how people spin it, though.. It's Clinton's fault(Yet we see how Clinton's actions against terrorists were met.. I'm sure we'll see spin on that article as well, soon enough)! Nah, I Don't Believe It, He Wouldn't Do That To Get Saddam(A wonderful strawman, really, but I suppose you have to do what you can)!

Still, a year is a long time. Bush and his people will undoutably hope this vanishes with the Congressional order for the evidence linking Iraq to terrorism, come election time.

[RedImperator]

The Kean commission is likely to conclude that September 11 was the result of a huge clusterfuck in the intelligence community, probably thanks to a combination of too much information from too many channels and not enough people to analyze and correlate it. There'll be plenty of blame to go around between the Bush and Clinton administrations, not to mention the "corporate culture" of the FBI, CIA, and NSA.

But for Chrissakes, it's an enormous leap from "giant clusterfuck" to "the President knew September 11 was going to happen but didn't do anything so he'd have an excuse to go to war". That's basically accusing everyone in the administration of treason and 3000 counts of accessory to murder, knowing full well that if that became public knowledge, they'd all be impeached, tried, and imprisoned. Even if you believe the Bush administration is comprised entirely of totally amoral warmongers who wouldn't blink at letting thousands of Americans die in a completely preventable terrorist attack, it's still too much of a leap to believe they'd expose themselves to that kind of risk.

[Darth Wong]

If Clinton wasn't nose up in Intern at the time, he could have stopped Osama. Oh well certainly can't find fault with a man because he can't control his own penis. Oh wait, yes you can.

Oh yes, because the only man in the US who could have stopped Osama was not a soldier, not a member of the CIA or the FBI, and not any of the Joint Chiefs, but WARRIOR CLINTON.

During the occasional hour that he wasted getting a blowjob from an intern rather than taking a month-long working vacation at a ranch somewhere in Texas, Clinton could have single-handedly destroyed Al-Quaeda, eliminated Islamofascism, and ushered in a shining new era of peace and prosperity for all western folk. YIPPEEEEEE!!!

[Andrew J.]

If Clinton wasn't nose up in Intern at the time, he could have stopped Osama. Oh well certainly can't find fault with a man because he can't control his own penis. Oh wait, yes you can.

Oh yes, because the only man in the US who could have stopped Osama was not a soldier, not a member of the CIA or the FBI, and not any of the Joint Chiefs, but WARRIOR CLINTON.

During the occasional hour that he wasted getting a blowjob from an intern rather than taking a month-long working vacation at a ranch somewhere in Texas, Clinton could have single-handedly destroyed Al-Quaeda, eliminated Islamofascism, and ushered in a shining new era of peace and prosperity for all western folk. YIPPEEEEEE!!!

That's just gold, man.

[Meest]

Very scary coincidence in this article

http://www.hereinreality.com/baker.html

"He watched the September 11 attacks at the Ritz-Carlton with the Bin Laden family. He's defending the Saudi's against a trillion-dollar lawsuit brought forth by the September 11 families."

Just too eerie. Even if they didn't know the scope of it, just too scary that their interests are above thousands of lives.

I still find it funny that people can still attack Clinton's personal life while alot of the Bush briefings and records involving him are classified.

I think it was business deal gone bad, they used to do business with the Bin Ladens. You won't build us an oil pipeline, we'll put people there who can sorta deal.

[Dorsk 81]

If Clinton wasn't nose up in Intern at the time, he could have stopped Osama. Oh well certainly can't find fault with a man because he can't control his own penis. Oh wait, yes you can.

Oh yes, because the only man in the US who could have stopped Osama was not a soldier, not a member of the CIA or the FBI, and not any of the Joint Chiefs, but WARRIOR CLINTON.

During the occasional hour that he wasted getting a blowjob from an intern rather than taking a month-long working vacation at a ranch somewhere in Texas, Clinton could have single-handedly destroyed Al-Quaeda, eliminated Islamofascism, and ushered in a shining new era of peace and prosperity for all western folk. YIPPEEEEEE!!!

Wait, I think you're missing a key point here. It takes him and hours to get a blow job?! Sorry, souldn't haelp myself, and that's what he said!

Anyway, OT: just because it would have been him that gave the order doesn't mean he would have stopped Osama. Thats like saying I'm in Burger King and a guy asks me if I want fries with that and I say yes. I didn't get the fries, the guy behind the counter did, along with the guy frying them!

[Frank Hipper]

Wait a minute......

Jeb Bush declared martial law in Florida on Sept. 7th?

I've never heard that before.....

[HemlockGrey]

"He watched the September 11 attacks at the Ritz-Carlton with the Bin Laden family. He's defending the Saudi's against a trillion-dollar lawsuit brought forth by the September 11 families."

Of course, as far as I know the Bin Laden family made their fortune in construction and are not bloodthirsty terrorists.