Favourite LOTR Army?

Demiurge · Post by **Demiurge** » 2003-12-22 09:36pm

3rd Impact wrote:
Kuja wrote:"The time for Man has ended. Now is the time for Orcs."

So says the badass Orc general just after shoving a spear right through Faramir's right-hand man.

Yeah, gotta love Gothmog.

Personally, (and this is my first reply strictly on-topic) I like the army of Gondor, even if they did have Denethor in charge at first. The Citadel and Fountain Guard in particular look bad-ass.

Was Gothmog that orc with the lumpy head?

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-12-23 01:22am

Demiurge wrote:
3rd Impact wrote:Yeah, gotta love Gothmog.
Was Gothmog that orc with the lumpy head?

I guess so.

Cool.

And I thought Shagrat (the orc who captured Frodo, then told the other captain, Snaga, to put down the mythril) was damn good as well. He jumpkicked another orc right out a window. Gotta love it.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-12-23 01:27am

The Riders of Rohan. Because they're fucking badass.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-12-23 01:59am

Demiurge wrote:
3rd Impact wrote:
Kuja wrote:"The time for Man has ended. Now is the time for Orcs."

So says the badass Orc general just after shoving a spear right through Faramir's right-hand man.

Yeah, gotta love Gothmog.

Personally, (and this is my first reply strictly on-topic) I like the army of Gondor, even if they did have Denethor in charge at first. The Citadel and Fountain Guard in particular look bad-ass.
Was Gothmog that orc with the lumpy head?

If he was, then there's not doubt a Nazgul upset about having his name stolen. Not to mention Morogoth's old right hand man.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-12-23 02:12am

The Easterlings- their war-chant as they marched into the Black Gate was just badass, as was their bizarre, scaly bronze armor.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-12-23 12:28pm

Stormbringer wrote:
If he was, then there's not doubt a Nazgul upset about having his name stolen. Not to mention Morogoth's old right hand man.

Meh, it's quite possible I got mixed up somewhere, but the name sounds like it fits, at least. I think it was mentioned in something I read.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-12-23 12:40pm

3rd Impact wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
If he was, then there's not doubt a Nazgul upset about having his name stolen. Not to mention Morogoth's old right hand man.
Meh, it's quite possible I got mixed up somewhere, but the name sounds like it fits, at least. I think it was mentioned in something I read.

Damn the lack of an edit button!

Anyway, I found the name in a reference book called The Lord of the Rings, Weapons and Warfare which I mentioned before in this thread. I don't know how good their information is, but here's the relevant passage:

The Lord of the Rings: Weapons and Warfare-page 172 wrote:Riding up and down the regiments were Orc captains mounted on Wargs; while on these swift creatures they could take their orders from Gothmog, a hideously disfigured Orc chieftain in charge of troop movements on the ground.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-12-23 02:36pm

Stormbringer wrote:If he was, then there's not doubt a Nazgul upset about having his name stolen. Not to mention Morogoth's old right hand man.

Hey, no need to get all huffy. Gothmog is just Middle-Earth's equivalent of the name Mike.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2003-12-23 02:54pm

Rohirrim!

Theoden & co are simply awesome!

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-12-24 05:58am

LadyTevar wrote:Actually... the Rohirrim were Celtic and Norse-deriviatives. Look to their standard, the White Horse on Green field. Now, ladies and gentlemen, especially those living in England... where in the world can you find a large white horse on a green field?

However, their king is named Theoden - a name similar to Theoderick, a 5th century Ostrogoth chieftain who seized power in Italy after the fall of the Roman Empire. So it's very possible that Tolkien based the Rohirrim upon Ostrogoths as well as the Anglo-Saxons.

Gondor is probably the Franks under Charlemagne, while the Orcs definately are based upon the Huns.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-12-24 06:29am

Just to be sure, Gothmog in the old period of Middle Earth (Silmarillion era) was some balrog, right?

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-12-24 07:12am

Gothmog was the top badass of the Balrogs.

The chieftain who takes over at the battle of the Pelennor was also called Gothmog, but in the book he takes charge after the witch king has his invisible face rearranged. (page 828, of my edition)

Presumably it's a name that Orcs get given if they're particularly shouty and killy.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-12-24 11:53am

Thirdfain wrote:The Easterlings- their war-chant as they marched into the Black Gate was just badass, as was their bizarre, scaly bronze armor.

I liked them too. I thought there helmets were cool looking.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2003-12-24 03:01pm

The Allince army from the end of the second age. That first scene from FOtR was awesome.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2003-12-26 06:42pm

Tsyroc wrote:
Thirdfain wrote:The Easterlings- their war-chant as they marched into the Black Gate was just badass, as was their bizarre, scaly bronze armor.
I liked them too. I thought there helmets were cool looking.

And theeeeee OLIPHANTS! I'd definitly give these guys second place after Numenor.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-12-26 10:13pm

Numenoreans.

The had long lives, strength, and were scary as hell to the bad guys, And the whole great Navy thing.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2003-12-27 12:45am

Stormbringer wrote:
If he was, then there's not doubt a Nazgul upset about having his name stolen. Not to mention Morogoth's old right hand man.

None of the Nazghul were ever named.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-12-28 02:26pm

Haradrim all the way, baby! Mumaks ROCK!!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-12-28 03:15pm

3rd Impact wrote:Anyway, I found the name in a reference book called The Lord of the Rings, Weapons and Warfare which I mentioned before in this thread. I don't know how good their information is, but here's the relevant passage:

The Lord of the Rings: Weapons and Warfare-page 172 wrote:Riding up and down the regiments were Orc captains mounted on Wargs; while on these swift creatures they could take their orders from Gothmog, a hideously disfigured Orc chieftain in charge of troop movements on the ground.

Ah, another name the production crew lifted to give an orc a name.

I was simply noting that the "real" Gothmog was the second in command of the Nazgul. And of course the renowed Balrog Lord.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-12-28 03:19pm

Lonestar wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
If he was, then there's not doubt a Nazgul upset about having his name stolen. Not to mention Morogoth's old right hand man.

None of the Nazghul were ever named.

Not in Lord of the Rings, but there are several that had been given names in other source. In fact out of them, four have names though I can only remember two right now.

The Witch-King of Angmar had a name though after he ruined Arnor he was mostly remembered as the Witch King instead. Khamul the Easterling was specifically named as commanding the Tower of Dol Goldur prior to the War of the Ring, and of course Gothmog was the second in command of the Nazgul after the Witch-King and was frequently a messanger for Sauron himself.

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