Dope Heads
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Since I work in a hospital I am constantly affected by people who are addicted to alcohol, methadone etc... I don't know where to start on
all the things that piss me off about it.
--Women who get pregnant just so they can get onto the government's methadone program. Nothing like having to give morphine to a neonate
because the kid is going through withdrawal because his/her mother was using while pregnant. It's even worse when you consider the possibilities of that kid's future starting out in such a fashion. Druggie mother who only had the kid to get into a free drug program.
--The cop out that adicitons are a "disease" and not an adiction. I think that in some instances it can be considered a disease but there are too many times it is used as an excuse so the person doesn't have to take any responsibility. We had a local bonehead go on the air comparing methadone usage in addicts to insulin for diabetics. I guess the people on methadone must have defective morphine producing gene.
--Very few of the people who get on the methadone program make much progress or effort towards getting off of methadone. They just stay on it and the government pays for it. I suppose it could be worse if they just stayed a heroin junkie but it's still annoying.
--Currently Tucson appears to be having an up swing in methamphetamine usage/production. Meth labs pop up in all kinds of places and most of the local pharmacies have been limiting the amount of
psuedophedrine they stock on their shelves because people were stealing it to make meth.
--The alcoholics don't bother me too much but I am suprised that every weekend we get bunches of people on alcohol detox orders. One of the joys of working at night I supose.
--What makes people even try heroin? Besides the fact that you're sticking something of quetionable quality an known harmful side-effects into a vein has there ever been anyone whose life was enhanced by heroin? All the famous people who've been heroin users, heroin was definately not something that helped them achieve anything worth while. If there is anyone who achieved more in their life from using heroin they have to be a statistical anomaly.
all the things that piss me off about it.
--Women who get pregnant just so they can get onto the government's methadone program. Nothing like having to give morphine to a neonate
because the kid is going through withdrawal because his/her mother was using while pregnant. It's even worse when you consider the possibilities of that kid's future starting out in such a fashion. Druggie mother who only had the kid to get into a free drug program.
--The cop out that adicitons are a "disease" and not an adiction. I think that in some instances it can be considered a disease but there are too many times it is used as an excuse so the person doesn't have to take any responsibility. We had a local bonehead go on the air comparing methadone usage in addicts to insulin for diabetics. I guess the people on methadone must have defective morphine producing gene.
--Very few of the people who get on the methadone program make much progress or effort towards getting off of methadone. They just stay on it and the government pays for it. I suppose it could be worse if they just stayed a heroin junkie but it's still annoying.
--Currently Tucson appears to be having an up swing in methamphetamine usage/production. Meth labs pop up in all kinds of places and most of the local pharmacies have been limiting the amount of
psuedophedrine they stock on their shelves because people were stealing it to make meth.
--The alcoholics don't bother me too much but I am suprised that every weekend we get bunches of people on alcohol detox orders. One of the joys of working at night I supose.
--What makes people even try heroin? Besides the fact that you're sticking something of quetionable quality an known harmful side-effects into a vein has there ever been anyone whose life was enhanced by heroin? All the famous people who've been heroin users, heroin was definately not something that helped them achieve anything worth while. If there is anyone who achieved more in their life from using heroin they have to be a statistical anomaly.
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Yet I seem to have quite coherent debates....hm.....I haven't smoked in a couple of weeks and I am FEANING!!!!!irishmick79 wrote:What bugs me is people arguing that pot is'nt addictive. Most of the pot heads I know would have a hard time even functioning if they did'nt have a hit on a somewhat regular basis.
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Of course I am...I'm an exception to a lot of things...irishmick79 wrote:That's why I did'nt say ALL pot heads could barely function if they could'nt get a hit. Just the vast majority of the pot heads I personally know seem to have that problem. You must be an exception to that...
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I guess I'll never understand what makes a person abuse themselves with illicit narcotics and other drugs like some people do. I just don't see it as being worth it. And I also get mad when the government forces me to pay for it.
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Ive never tried drugs, but like most everyone else I know people who have.
What I have noticed is that people who get into drugs often have deplorable home environments. I didnt come to this conclusion until I was older.
If you asked me this question as a teen , I not sure I would have an answer.
I also think there is a fine line between "social" drug use and abuse. I dont think having a beer with dinner once a week is abuse. But several beers everyday just to get buy and you got a problem. And yes, I think alcohol is a drug.
What I have noticed is that people who get into drugs often have deplorable home environments. I didnt come to this conclusion until I was older.
If you asked me this question as a teen , I not sure I would have an answer.
I also think there is a fine line between "social" drug use and abuse. I dont think having a beer with dinner once a week is abuse. But several beers everyday just to get buy and you got a problem. And yes, I think alcohol is a drug.
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I don't know about that. I know a few who are like that, but the majority of the users I know (including me) do it as a weekend thing. I prefer it to getting drunk, myself--no vomiting involved.irishmick79 wrote:What bugs me is people arguing that pot is'nt addictive. Most of the pot heads I know would have a hard time even functioning if they did'nt have a hit on a somewhat regular basis.
On a side note, has anyone seen those commericals equating pot smokers to terrorists? Do they make anyone besides me want to strangle John Ashcroft? I have to change the channel when they come on, or else I'll start screaming at the TV: "If you government hatfuckers would stop throwing people in jail for smoking something less dangerous than alcohol or Prozac, maybe there wouldn't BE criminal cartels killing people to distribute the stuff! Ever hear of Prohibition, assface? Remember how well that worked?"
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I wonder if perhaps they're referring to emotional addition? A lot of the commentary has been around the concept of 'it's not chemically addicting, like cigarettes or other drugs'. But has anyone examined the possibility of the drug being socially or emotionally addictive?RedImperator wrote:I don't know about that. I know a few who are like that, but the majority of the users I know (including me) do it as a weekend thing. I prefer it to getting drunk, myself--no vomiting involved.irishmick79 wrote:What bugs me is people arguing that pot is'nt addictive. Most of the pot heads I know would have a hard time even functioning if they did'nt have a hit on a somewhat regular basis.
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well, it makes you emotionally as addicted as everything that gives you a good load of fun. sports for example can make you addicted. watching soccer on tv, collecting stamps (if that´s what you consider fun), skateboarding, listening to music.I wonder if perhaps they're referring to emotional addition? A lot of the commentary has been around the concept of 'it's not chemically addicting, like cigarettes or other drugs'. But has anyone examined the possibility of the drug being socially or emotionally addictive?
the question is, is it an evil addiction. i´d say no.
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Evil is a question of morality. At that point, you ask not if the addiction is evil, but if being on the drug causes you to be more likely to do unsafe or immoral things to yourself or others.salm wrote:the question is, is it an evil addiction. i´d say no.
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that, and can you get rid of it halfways easily. there´s a difference in wanting to get rid of it and being unable to and wanting to get rid of it and being able to.Lagmonster wrote:Evil is a question of morality. At that point, you ask not if the addiction is evil, but if being on the drug causes you to be more likely to do unsafe or immoral things to yourself or others.salm wrote:the question is, is it an evil addiction. i´d say no.
at the moment i´d be unable of stoping pot smoking because i dont want to. if i wanted to though it wouldnt be a problem
4 years ago i quit for 2 years
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Then it's a question of how it affects your life. Some people take sports so seriously, as you pointed out, that it dominates and eventually ruins their lives.salm wrote:At the moment i´d be unable of stoping pot smoking because i dont want to. if i wanted to though it wouldnt be a problem
Me, now, I'd probably go into severe withdraw symptoms if I had to give up fencing or cable tv or jerky.
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So you can't control your abuse of alcohol without puking, that's why you switched to weed? Because that "has no side-effects"?RedImperator wrote: I don't know about that. I know a few who are like that, but the majority of the users I know (including me) do it as a weekend thing. I prefer it to getting drunk, myself--no vomiting involved.
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(I hate those commercials as well, but...)RedImperator wrote: "If you government hatfuckers would stop throwing people in jail for smoking something less dangerous than alcohol or Prozac, maybe there wouldn't BE criminal cartels killing people to distribute the stuff! Ever hear of Prohibition, assface? Remember how well that worked?"
So because the rules are stupid you'd rather support "criminal cartels" than the governement? Way to go, that's logical.
So if I think that a 3 day rule for buying arms is wrong then I should buy my weapons on the streetcorner instead? Nice...
If you must have that drug then grow it yourself dammit.