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Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-12-24 06:53pm

We are in full support of our sense. The Azegart have paid for their crimes. The cure for bigotry, is education and kindness. If a xenophobic people is supported by aliens, it may give them cause to be decent humanoids. Another reason, is that a fully alien "director" will have the same effect, by building up a certain level of trust.

Besides, the Azegart are in no position to be harming anyone.

Ah, so you would pass the entirety of the Azegart Empire into the hands of an unknown force,. with unknown goals. You would tear from the Krytos and the Stuartians the territory they have spent massive amounts of money pacifying and rebuilding.

The Affront is a power completely unknown to you OR the galaxy as a whole. They are also, by all accounts, a martial society more violent that our own. The Commonwealth is beholden to the Grand Alliance, who are the Affront beholden to?

We offer this in return- remain with the Alliance, and your own people can begin working with the new Emperor. The Commonwealth, at least, knows of the general benevolence of the Aquarian Union. Perhaps your own power would be best suited for that position- working alongside those who have been your allies in the past, those who have fought with you, working to forge a new Azegart Empire. Your nation, of all nations, should know how to handle the situation best.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 07:01pm

We would offer a counter proposal. This matter is not going to be easily solved. The end goal, is to relinquish control of the former Azegart territory to its own citizens. However, the methods of it, are going to be difficult to work out.

Perhaps a series of talks would work for this purpose. We also have reservations about trusting the Affront completely.

We would host diplomati talks between all parrties nvolved, on our homeworld, ora world of your choosing. To resolve this situation.

((OOC: I was expecting you to fight me over my worlds... so I hadnt really planed for this chain of events))

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-12-24 07:04pm

(ooc: A strong military alliance is more important to me than a couple dozen worlds. As it should be for you, come to think of it. We really WILL get steamrolled if we don't stand firm.)

Your suggestion has merit, but we question the need to even bring the Affront in to this. Convene a meeting between Azegart leaders and the nations which fought them in the War. The Affront have nothing to do with this, and are clearly working towards some ulteriot motive.

The preservation of the Alliance is our primary concern, and the continued pacification of the Azegart our second.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 07:13pm

Thirdfain wrote:(ooc: A strong military alliance is more important to me than a couple dozen worlds. As it should be for you, come to think of it. We really WILL get steamrolled if we don't stand firm.)

Your suggestion has merit, but we question the need to even bring the Affront in to this. Convene a meeting between Azegart leaders and the nations which fought them in the War. The Affront have nothing to do with this, and are clearly working towards some ulteriot motive.

The preservation of the Alliance is our primary concern, and the continued pacification of the Azegart our second.

From what we gather, the Affront have had dealings with the Azegart, and may at least be able to serve a role in the pacification. Though, that is for the rest of you to decide. As far as we are concerned, they have paid in full.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-12-24 07:15pm

From what we gather, the Affront have had dealings with the Azegart, and may at least be able to serve a role in the pacification. Though, that is for the rest of you to decide.

The Affront is a nonentity in this discussion. They may have contacted some escaping Azegart noblemen, or somesuch, but that does not in anyway bring them in to this affair. This situation lies clearly in the jurisdiction of the powers which took part in the operation.

If you intend on inviting us to a conference of some sort on this matter, we would be glad to attend.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 07:23pm

((OOC: Besides... the STGOD isnt as fun with 2 huge power blocks))

Neither hard-line approach is really acceptable. The mater of occupation is an international issue, and should be discussed by all those interested. The invitation to any diplomatic conference in our territory, is open to all nations.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-12-24 07:24pm

FROM: President Von Braun (CNV Ashkaga, UTR)
TO: CEO Gladstone, Stuart Corporation
SUBJ: Current Situation

-::-

The Commonwealth respectfully asks it's friends in the Stuart Corporation for their stance on the current situation, and their intentions.

-: ENDTRANSMISSION :-

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 07:27pm

((OOC: Methinks I will go Swiss, if you get my drift. neutral, but damn do we carry a big stick. That is my intention as a nation.))

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-12-24 07:39pm

Stormbringer wrote:From: Affront Regime
To: TSC
Re: Azegart Indpedence

We wish to request that you remove your forces from the portions of that nation that they occupy as well. In return we will see to it that the Azegart obey all sentient rights standards and we will oversee the peacable transfer to their own authority.

Due to recent events, the Board has decided that we will concentrate on the Corporation alone. Thus we are willing to withdraw our forces from the occupied systems, under the condition that we will be allowed to retain our base in Aregath's gas giant for the time being.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-12-24 07:45pm

FROM: Commonwealth Navy Command (Desjardins)
TO: Fleet Command, Azegart (CNV Jean D'Arc)
SUBJ: Fleet Recall

-::-

All vessels are to return to Commonwealth space immediatly. Heavy Response Squadrons Kappa, Gamma, Epsilon, and Phi are to report to Maharashtra in preparation for offensive operations against the Grand Empire of Brisbane.

All Army forces to prepare for departure.

-: ENDTRANSMISSION :-

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-12-24 07:51pm

Thirdfain wrote:FROM: President Von Braun (CNV Ashkaga, UTR)
TO: CEO Gladstone, Stuart Corporation
SUBJ: Current Situation

-::-

The Commonwealth respectfully asks it's friends in the Stuart Corporation for their stance on the current situation, and their intentions.

-: ENDTRANSMISSION :-

The Grand Alliance was intended as a defensive alliance, but in the last days and weeks, it slowly was pushed towards a more aggressive policy, something we cannot accept.
The Stuart Corporation was stable and flourishing alone for over 3000 years, without external problems. While we cannot, obviously, return to our blissful secrecy, we can retreat as much as possible from foreign affairs.
We don't wish you ill, but your aggressive nature does run against our ideals.

Regarding the Azegart problem: We never were interested in expansion in the first place. Though the added territory is not straining our economy, it won't contribute to our economy in return for a long time. Given the added foreign propblems regarding it, the possible economic gains in far future are not worth the short-term hassle.

Another note: Do not send ships into our territory without advanced notifying us. All rights of free passage have been revoked in full compliance with Status Omega-Green.

Long live the Corporation! Long live the CEO! We stand strong, while the weak will perish!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-12-24 07:53pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:((OOC: Besides... the STGOD isnt as fun with 2 huge power blocks))

Neither hard-line approach is really acceptable. The mater of occupation is an international issue, and should be discussed by all those interested. The invitation to any diplomatic conference in our territory, is open to all nations.

Occupation is the sole right, responsibility, and burden of the conquerer, not some committee of 'concerned citizens' who have no idea what they are talking about!

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 08:00pm

SirNitram wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:((OOC: Besides... the STGOD isnt as fun with 2 huge power blocks))

Neither hard-line approach is really acceptable. The mater of occupation is an international issue, and should be discussed by all those interested. The invitation to any diplomatic conference in our territory, is open to all nations.
Occupation is the sole right, responsibility, and burden of the conquerer, not some committee of 'concerned citizens' who have no idea what they are talking about!

Whenever an action has an effect on the outside world, it becomes their concern. When it comes to the diplomatic and political stautus of a nation, it is very much the galaxies concern. Everyone has a view on the mater, we may as well all get them out in the open in neutral territory.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-12-24 08:02pm

FROM: President Von Braun (CNV Ashkaga, UTR)
TO: All Star Nations
SUBJ: Current Situation

-::-

"The Commonwealth relinquishes all claim on the former Azegart territory.

"Should the new regime prove untenable or dangerous, well, that is none of our concern. The Commonwealth has plenty of problems to resolve at home. As of fifteen minutes ago, the evacuation of Commonwealth forces from Azegart space began.

"Aquarian, Krytos, and Stuart Corporation military vessels are now tagged as neutral by Commonwealth military transponders. The legions assigned to Stuartian control are being recalled. Special trade and escort status towards Aquarian, Krytos, and Stuart trade vessels is being revoked- they shouldn't expect preferential deals any longer."

"That is all."

-: ENDTRANSMISSION :-

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-12-24 08:05pm

To the Aquarian Dept. of State

The commanders assigned to patrolling your systems have sent back glowing reports of your hospitality. No doubt you appreciate their presence just as much as they do yours. In light of the promising results of our interaction, I ask on behalf of Nyfitsar fleet command to extend this arrangement indefinitely. If you will permit the construction of a permanent base and nominate a suitable location, we will build and man it. The benefits that this would serve to both of us should be obvious.

Signed,
Canon Burkin, Nyfitsar Ministry of Defense

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-12-24 08:08pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:((OOC: Besides... the STGOD isnt as fun with 2 huge power blocks))

Neither hard-line approach is really acceptable. The mater of occupation is an international issue, and should be discussed by all those interested. The invitation to any diplomatic conference in our territory, is open to all nations.
Occupation is the sole right, responsibility, and burden of the conquerer, not some committee of 'concerned citizens' who have no idea what they are talking about!
Whenever an action has an effect on the outside world, it becomes their concern. When it comes to the diplomatic and political stautus of a nation, it is very much the galaxies concern. Everyone has a view on the mater, we may as well all get them out in the open in neutral territory.

Everyone may have a view, but having a view does not grant you any more of a special status than having an asshole, or your species equivalent.

Indeed, the Corsair Republic is very concerned. Concerned with how the Aquarian Union seeks to set back thousands of years of precedent and destroy the basis of many empires.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 08:10pm

From: Aquarian Union
To: All Star Nations
Re: Neutrality

It is the official stance of the Aquarian Union to remain neutral in all conflicts in matters of war and aggression that do not dirctly effect us.

We offer our services as neutral moderator and host for any diplomatic talks.

We declare our stance as a merchantile state. Our ports are open for business.

We announce a new military policy. To prevent piracy, and attacks by other nations. From this moment on, all citizens are required to train with personal weapons, and report for basic training in more specialized positions within the reserves within the next 2 years.

All vessels under our flag are required to arm themselves.

We wish to maintain friendly relations with all nations. However, we will not hesitate to defnd ourselves if attacked, and those that do attack us will regret such actions. To pursue this goal, piracy will not be tolerated wthin our space, and attempts at it will be swiftly punished.

Addendum: We by no means are breaking our mtual defense treaties. We will honor commitments we have made to other nations, however we will not take positions in conflicts other than those nations mentioned being attacked by aggressive powers.

((OOC: Think Switzerland))

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 08:13pm

Raxmei wrote:To the Aquarian Dept. of State

The commanders assigned to patrolling your systems have sent back glowing reports of your hospitality. No doubt you appreciate their presence just as much as they do yours. In light of the promising results of our interaction, I ask on behalf of Nyfitsar fleet command to extend this arrangement indefinitely. If you will permit the construction of a permanent base and nominate a suitable location, we will build and man it. The benefits that this would serve to both of us should be obvious.

Signed,
Canon Burkin, Nyfitsar Ministry of Defense

We ave declared official neutrality in such matters. Though, if you wish to build a military base within our territory in order to protect your lines of shipping, we will oblige you. Preferable near the Gate you constructed within our territory.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 08:15pm

SirNitram wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Occupation is the sole right, responsibility, and burden of the conquerer, not some committee of 'concerned citizens' who have no idea what they are talking about!
Whenever an action has an effect on the outside world, it becomes their concern. When it comes to the diplomatic and political stautus of a nation, it is very much the galaxies concern. Everyone has a view on the mater, we may as well all get them out in the open in neutral territory.
Everyone may have a view, but having a view does not grant you any more of a special status than having an asshole, or your species equivalent.

Indeed, the Corsair Republic is very concerned. Concerned with how the Aquarian Union seeks to set back thousands of years of precedent and destroy the basis of many empires.

We do not ask that others relinquish sovereignty, merely that everyone's views are heard.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-12-24 08:41pm

-: CNV Ashkaga, UTR :-

President Von Braun shook his head, despair obvious only for a second in his eyes.

"Goddamit, everything I've worked for, swept away. Order in our time... Ha! slim chance."

he looked up, and steeled himself.

"Mister Michaels, prepare a shuttle for my return to the Republican vessel. Resolving the Brisbane situation is more important now than ever. If we can't unite the galaxy, we might as well start with the Cygnus arm.
Inform our hosts that I would like to meet with the President as soon as possible."

-: ENDFILE :-

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-12-24 08:53pm

1.General Ambassador Nguyen was in a somewhat relaxed mood today. He was attending a high-level summit on Old Earth for the Entente, and now was conducting "unofficial" diplomacy in one of the lounges, away from the prying eyes and ears of the the rest of the world -- or their aides. The Chief Diplomatic Officer for the Corporate Sector, the Secretary of State of the United Terran Republic and their equivilant* from the Kzinti Patriarchy. Together they represented the Entente -- widely believed as a powerful military alliance, though really just an informal recognition of each power's aims.

"It's a shame the Aquarians have left the the Grand Alliance. They are, how do you say it, up the creek without a paddle?" asked CorpSec's CDO. "An absolute shame, why, anyone could take advantage of them now."

"Yes, they're utterly open for an invasion without the protection of the Alliance. Their military still hasn't recovered from the Azgert invasion and their economy is in shambles," said the General Ambassador. "The economic embargo on their goods by the Entente has certainly hurt them, their acceptance of free trade on their unprepared economy simply demolished it."

The Secretary of State was last to speak, the Kzinti simply listening for the time being. He said, "Yes, it would be a shame if they were conquered, wouldn't it? Or if they had a revolution from all the internal stresses. They're certainly ripe for one. "

* Sorry, couldn't recall the proper title.

2. Sarah O'Neal was one of the operatives for the Atlanteans working in the Aquarian Union. Her name was an assumed one, her real name carefully forgotten to protect herself and her cell. It was time for the first major raid along with her Aquarian friends. Sonic rifles for underwater work, with a few lasers. The former came from the Corporate Sector, the latter came from Old Terra -- all top-of-the-line. She had no idea where that Kziniti cat got them, but they would be useful.

The raid would be a quick one -- hit a police station, a judiciary building and then fade off. Someone else's group would announce what organization did it...

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-12-24 09:31pm

phongn wrote:* Sorry, couldn't recall the proper title.

OOC: Did I ever give one? The title would probably be something like "Speaker-for-the-Patriarch" or something similar, but named Kzin get angry when people refer to them by their title, because they earned the right of a name, probably by taking great personal risks. The name can sometimes be revealing (sometimes they earn it in stages, rising first to a partial name-title, like Chuft-Captain, and then they get captain converted to another name. A Kzin with a one-part name generally earned it in one burst of exceptional achievement).

IC:

The Kzin, an exceptionally intelligent former naval captain named Mrrowlsst (who incidentally had only one eye and covered the other with a piratical-looking black patch), interjected, "Violent revolution is a possibility. I am told that they have undertaken a program of universal mandatory military service, without any propaganda buildup. The political costs of such a move will be immense, particularly in such a society which has free speech and press. Then there is the material cost of outfitting billions of reservists. It is an ugly program, no matter which way you look at it.

"What is worse is that their plan is to stir up their whole adult male population without any prelude to acclimate them to the new order, then they are going to gather these dissatisfied people into platoons, give them military training, and issue them weapons. This isn't something that a society can do with one push."

He looked at the UTR representative, "On your planet, I believe the ancient Swiss are a good example to show what kind of societal pressures it takes to make mandatory permanent military service viable. They fought against Habsburg control for centuries, and then they existed in the middle of the maelstrom of European wars for many more centuries. The Israelis are another example. They were a small population totally surrounded by hostile powers whose combined manpower exceeded theirs by--what was it?"

He waited for someone to help him with the exact figure, but they didn't know either.

Mrrowlsst's tail twitched. "Well, anyway, they had at least five times as much manpower as the Israelis. Their enemies also had a ready-made fifth column within Israeli territory which amounted to nearly half the Hebrew population! And even in the face of such necessity, dissent against the mandatory service was quite widespread. I don't predict this abrupt and enormous policy change by the Aquarians will end well."

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 09:44pm

((OOC:We have been at war for 200 years and just suffered an occupation... do you think they would be dverse to mandatory military training? We are a democracy anyway, this never would have passed if it dent have poular support))

Freecast to all Aquarians

Dearest friends in the Union. We know that you may be disheartened by the recent passage of a law that requires service in the reserves. However, deperate times call for desperate measures. Even know, we have enemies at our gates, and we must be ready to defend ourselves! We have suffered through 200 year of war. And months of foreign occupation. Finally we are independant of sorrow, and of misery. But we must be able to defend it. This is why everyone in the Union, must be armed and ready to defend themselves wave by wave, reeef by reef, kelp bed to kelp bed! If we are to be free, and independant on allies guarding against pirates, as was your wish my people, we must be ready and able to defend our independance. Your lives will not be sacrificed. You will train for a military psition one weekend a month, easily spared to defend your homes from foreign agression. Most of your ships are already armed, we will simply provide your gunners with specialized training. We must stand and fight if we are to live, and we ned you, the people to do it!

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-12-24 09:48pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:((OOC:We have been at war for 200 years and just suffered an occupation... do you think they would be dverse to mandatory military training?

Ummm... YES! Apparently you don't have a law on the books for it already, so people are going to be asking WHY they should have a permanent militia NOW when they didn't have one during the 200 years of war!

We are a democracy anyway, this never would have passed if it dent have poular support))

Do you think that every major bill that Congress passes has popular support? Do you think that the highest executive in America was elected by popular acclaim?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-12-24 09:56pm

*badly lit cavern somewhere in neutral space*

What looked to be a bipedal newt and a humanoid rodent sat in a dark, candle lit room. Drawing out a document that could forever shape the galaxy.

The purpose of this document is to bring about the formation of an organization devoted to the cause of Neutrality. Called The Neutrality League.....

They discussed, back and forth the articles and stipulations, then finally reached an agreement. They picked up pens and signed the document... The galaxy would never be the same