Astromech Driod vs. Cube

[Embracer Of Darkness]

The scenario presumes that R2 has been scanned and classified as a 'non-threat,' and then a) leeched power from the Borg and b) figured out the Cube's course. Clearly the Borg are not jumping on the R2 unit, although it probably wouldn't take that long to determine their course.

Does the scenario say that? I'm sorry, but if it does, then it's got a major flaw, because the Borg would not simply ignore something as complex and advance as R2 after scanning it.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Why they ignored both data and Lore...

I believe the statement from First Contact and from Best of Both Worlds was that the Borg Hive mind Ignores Individuals (lone ships, etc, and concentrates on communityies.) Thus the Borg don't even bother you unless your part of something major like a ship, or a planetary settlement.

[Lancer]

Why they ignored both data and Lore...

I believe the statement from First Contact and from Best of Both Worlds was that the Borg Hive mind Ignores Individuals (lone ships, etc, and concentrates on communityies.) Thus the Borg don't even bother you unless your part of something major like a ship, or a planetary settlement.

that only applies if your not a threat or advanced technology. From dialouge in ST:First Contact, we learn that Data is not considered advanced technology by the Borg, so it follows that Lore would also be ignored.

[Kuja]

that only applies if your not a threat or advanced technology. From dialouge in ST:First Contact, we learn that Data is not considered advanced technology by the Borg, so it follows that Lore would also be ignored.

What the Borg Queen said to seduce Data doesn't count as evidence. Remember how the Borg were UNABLE to unlock the codes? If the Borg consider Data to be less advanced technology, why would they be UNABLE to get his codes?

[Robert Walper]

that only applies if your not a threat or advanced technology. From dialouge in ST:First Contact, we learn that Data is not considered advanced technology by the Borg, so it follows that Lore would also be ignored.

What the Borg Queen said to seduce Data doesn't count as evidence. Remember how the Borg were UNABLE to unlock the codes?

Modern day bit encryption, say, 128 megabit or more can still take the most advanced supercomputers of today years to crack. And encryption routines can be written on slow, obselete computers if necessary.

I don't see why it's considered unrealistic or silly that Data's ability to encrpt the E-E's computer controls was so effective.

If the Borg consider Data to be less advanced technology, why would they be UNABLE to get his codes?

Data is a computer. More importantly, a sentient computer. As a computer capable of storing information, he should have the ability to delete said information from his own memory. Thus, the Borg would be unable to extract any information from him faster than he could destroy it. Even the Borg's nanotechnology assimilation techique takes several minutes to assimilate technology and lifeform examples.

[Kuja]

Modern day bit encryption, say, 128 megabit or more can still take the most advanced supercomputers of today years to crack. And encryption routines can be written on slow, obselete computers if necessary.

I don't see why it's considered unrealistic or silly that Data's ability to encrpt the E-E's computer controls was so effective.

Do we have the resouces of the Borg? No. Have we have thousands of years to refine our computer technology? No. Have we absorbed computer tech from thousands upon thousands of races and used it to advance our own? No.

And yet the Borg were completely stymied by an encryption code that was enacted within a few seconds.

Data is a computer. More importantly, a sentient computer. As a computer capable of storing information, he should have the ability to delete said information from his own memory. Thus, the Borg would be unable to extract any information from him faster than he could destroy it. Even the Borg's nanotechnology assimilation techique takes several minutes to assimilate technology and lifeform examples.

Red Herring. File deletion clearly did not take place during ST:FC, or Data would have been unable to bring the ship back online for the journey home.

[Robert Walper]

Modern day bit encryption, say, 128 megabit or more can still take the most advanced supercomputers of today years to crack. And encryption routines can be written on slow, obselete computers if necessary.

I don't see why it's considered unrealistic or silly that Data's ability to encrpt the E-E's computer controls was so effective.

Do we have the resouces of the Borg? No.

Note that the Borg had limited resources on hand. Only a a handful of drones and a miniture version of the Borg central AI(Queen). I hardly expect this tiny portion of the Borg Collective to represent the capabilities of the entire Collective.

Have we have thousands of years to refine our computer technology? No.

Since Voyager could hold off the entire Borg Collective in their own space by threatening to destroy what the Borg want, I fail to see how Data holding off a handful of drones and a Queen(in the past, without the Collective's resources to utilize) is some major failing on their part.

Have we absorbed computer tech from thousands upon thousands of races and used it to advance our own? No.

Since the Borg didn't have access to that knowledge base, it's irrelevent.

And yet the Borg were completely stymied by an encryption code that was enacted within a few seconds.

Limited resources on hand was a obvious limitation of the Borg.

Data is a computer. More importantly, a sentient computer. As a computer capable of storing information, he should have the ability to delete said information from his own memory. Thus, the Borg would be unable to extract any information from him faster than he could destroy it. Even the Borg's nanotechnology assimilation techique takes several minutes to assimilate technology and lifeform examples.

Red Herring. File deletion clearly did not take place during ST:FC, or Data would have been unable to bring the ship back online for the journey home.

Obviously he didn't do it. However, he should have the ability easily enough.

Are you going to assert Data is incapable of deleting information from his brain if necessary, despite being a walking, talking computer?

[Darth Wong]

Since Voyager could hold off the entire Borg Collective in their own space by threatening to destroy what the Borg want, I fail to see how Data holding off a handful of drones and a Queen(in the past, without the Collective's resources to utilize) is some major failing on their part.

False analogy. In STFC, they had Data captive, and helpless.

Have we absorbed computer tech from thousands upon thousands of races and used it to advance our own? No.

Since the Borg didn't have access to that knowledge base, it's irrelevent.

Interesting. So you figure that their "knowledge base" is stored in some repository which is unavailable to any drone or group whose communications with the rest of the collective have been cut? This despite 7 of 9's repeated claims that she retains that knowledge despite being cut off from the collective?

Red Herring. File deletion clearly did not take place during ST:FC, or Data would have been unable to bring the ship back online for the journey home.

Obviously he didn't do it. However, he should have the ability easily enough.

Are you going to assert Data is incapable of deleting information from his brain if necessary, despite being a walking, talking computer?

Data is not a walking, talking computer in the modern sense. His brain is a neural-net processor, which functions in a manner which is much different than a conventional computer. If it imprints patterns by altering neural connections as a human brain does, then he can not arbitrarily erase parts of his own memory.

Notice that he did not erase his memory of the Paxons in "Clues". You cannot assume that Data must be capable of arbitrarily erasing items from his own memory without some kind of evidence. Analogies to conventional computers are false.

[Robert Walper]

Since Voyager could hold off the entire Borg Collective in their own space by threatening to destroy what the Borg want, I fail to see how Data holding off a handful of drones and a Queen(in the past, without the Collective's resources to utilize) is some major failing on their part.

False analogy. In STFC, they had Data captive, and helpless.

True, they did. And they could not forcibly remove the codes stored in his mind. This is not disputed. I'm merely submitting a theory as to why not, particularily given they understand him enough to assimilate him in a fashion completely beyond his comprehension. They grafted organic components onto his body(making him a cyborg) and either gave(likely IMO) or utilized(very unlikely IMO) the ability for his positronic to process and interpret organic signals, to the point where Data could even yell out and clutch his arm in surprise and pain. I fail to see how one could argue the Borg didn't understand Data's brain, and yet accomplish such a feat.

On the other hand, understanding Data's brain is not going to make the typical Borg assimilation process any faster. Theoritically, he should be able to delete any such codes much faster than even nanoprobes infecting his systems could extract forcibly.

Have we absorbed computer tech from thousands upon thousands of races and used it to advance our own? No.

Since the Borg didn't have access to that knowledge base, it's irrelevent.

Interesting. So you figure that their "knowledge base" is stored in some repository which is unavailable to any drone or group whose communications with the rest of the collective have been cut?

The Borg in STFC lacked a link to the hive mind of the entire Collective. I consider that good evidence they did not have access to the entire information database of the Collective(how could they, their numbers versus trillions). I don't assume groups or individual drones must and do possess all knowledge of the Borg Collective as a whole.

This despite 7 of 9's repeated claims that she retains that knowledge despite being cut off from the collective?

Retains knowledge, yes she does. But she was specially prepared beforehand, and she does not have access to the Collective's computing power and other related abilities. Nor would I assert Seven knows everything the Collective knows.

Are you going to assert Data is incapable of deleting information from his brain if necessary, despite being a walking, talking computer?

Data is not a walking, talking computer in the modern sense. His brain is a neural-net processor, which functions in a manner which is much different than a conventional computer. If it imprints patterns by altering neural connections as a human brain does, then he can not arbitrarily erase parts of his own memory.

OK, you're going beyond my level here...

Let's for the moment assume Data does retain information by this method. Why would he be unable to remove and/or delete information stored in his brain if desired? That would be extremely inefficent in my opinion. If his technolgical level can achieve artificial neural-net imprinting, what's makes deleting so unlikely or difficult?

Notice that he did not erase his memory of the Paxons in "Clues".

My memory is somewhat rusty on that one. I know he did not erase his memory during said episode. This made sense since he was actively preventing the Enterprise from going to the specific location in question(hence erasing his memory would have been counterproductive). Afterwards, once he'd accomplished the goal, he could have very well have deleted knowledge of the Paxons(yes, I know this is also an assumption. Humor me.)

My perception is that you don't need to have direct evidence of everything in Trek to make certain assumptions. For example, we've never seen Picard take a shit, therefore he doesn't do it is a rather silly thing to demand proof of IMO.

Because Data can store, process and utilize information like a computer, I give him credility to delete as well. After all, he claims codes cannot be forcibly removed from his mind. The ability to delete them faster than they can be extracted would certainly be a foolproof system of accomplishing that level of security.

You cannot assume that Data must be capable of arbitrarily erasing items from his own memory without some kind of evidence.

You are quite right, I am assuming Data has this capability without direct evidence supporting this opinion.

Data is a machine that can store, process and utilize information. The inability to delete useless or obsolete information strikes me as extremely inefficent.

Analogies to conventional computers are false.

Data can store, process and utilize information like a computer. I don't understand why we must assume he cannot delete or purge information like a computer as well.

[Darth Wong]

True, they did. And they could not forcibly remove the codes stored in his mind. This is not disputed. I'm merely submitting a theory as to why not, particularily given they understand him enough to assimilate him in a fashion completely beyond his comprehension.

Circular logic. You are using your assertion of their unlimited assimilation capability in order to prove that it is the best theory.

They grafted organic components onto his body(making him a cyborg) and either gave(likely IMO) or utilized(very unlikely IMO) the ability for his positronic to process and interpret organic signals, to the point where Data could even yell out and clutch his arm in surprise and pain. I fail to see how one could argue the Borg didn't understand Data's brain, and yet accomplish such a feat.

Non sequitur. Being able to modify something does not mean you have unlimited comprehension of that object. I am not a computer programmer, yet I can take extremely complex code and make certain modifications to it.

On the other hand, understanding Data's brain is not going to make the typical Borg assimilation process any faster. Theoritically, he should be able to delete any such codes much faster than even nanoprobes infecting his systems could extract forcibly.

You still must establish that he is capable of doing so.

The Borg in STFC lacked a link to the hive mind of the entire Collective. I consider that good evidence they did not have access to the entire information database of the Collective(how could they, their numbers versus trillions). I don't assume groups or individual drones must and do possess all knowledge of the Borg Collective as a whole.

They may not possess its entire knowledge (note that this implies some kind of central repository or data being spread out in such a manner that you can reduce the collective's knowledge by killing chunks of it), but to think that they would not have equipped themselves with all available data on Federation technology prior to this mission is absurd.

This despite 7 of 9's repeated claims that she retains that knowledge despite being cut off from the collective?

Retains knowledge, yes she does. But she was specially prepared beforehand, and she does not have access to the Collective's computing power and other related abilities. Nor would I assert Seven knows everything the Collective knows.

She claimed to know all about every species the Borg assimilated IIRC. Of course, she was full of shit in many ways.

OK, you're going beyond my level here...

Let's for the moment assume Data does retain information by this method. Why would he be unable to remove and/or delete information stored in his brain if desired? That would be extremely inefficent in my opinion. If his technolgical level can achieve artificial neural-net imprinting, what's makes deleting so unlikely or difficult?

Why can't you arbitrarily delete something from your own brain? Data's brain supposedly works like a human brain, not like a computer. A human brain and a computer are almost totally unrelated in terms of their operating mechanism and capabilities, despite popular claims to the contrary.

My memory is somewhat rusty on that one. I know he did not erase his memory during said episode. This made sense since he was actively preventing the Enterprise from going to the specific location in question(hence erasing his memory would have been counterproductive). Afterwards, once he'd accomplished the goal, he could have very well have deleted knowledge of the Paxons(yes, I know this is also an assumption. Humor me.)

My perception is that you don't need to have direct evidence of everything in Trek to make certain assumptions. For example, we've never seen Picard take a shit, therefore he doesn't do it is a rather silly thing to demand proof of IMO.

Don't play rhetorical bullshit games. We HAVE seen evidence that Picard needs to take a shit. If you don't understand why I say that, then you need to grow a fucking brain.

Because Data can store, process and utilize information like a computer, I give him credility to delete as well.

More circular logic. You still claim that Data's brain works like that of a modern computer even though I have just pointed out that this is not the case.

After all, he claims codes cannot be forcibly removed from his mind. The ability to delete them faster than they can be extracted would certainly be a foolproof system of accomplishing that level of security.

In other words, if A fits into category B, then category B must be exclusively composed of A. Sorry, that's yet more shitty logic on your part.

You are quite right, I am assuming Data has this capability without direct evidence supporting this opinion.

Data is a machine that can store, process and utilize information. The inability to delete useless or obsolete information strikes me as extremely inefficent.

So you are asserting that it is impossible for Data to be inefficient, hence every aspect of him must always be assumed to be the most efficient possible?

Data can store, process and utilize information like a computer.

More circular logic; trying to prove it by stating it as a fact.

I don't understand why we must assume he cannot delete or purge information like a computer as well.

Why can't you do that with your OWN neural net processor? The one in your skull?

[Robert Walper]

Mike, my entire theory is based upon the assumption Data may have the ability to delete infromation from his brain. This fits his claim that codes from his brain cannot be forcibly removed(he didn't specify the Borg's ability, he said it in general), and why the Borg can modify him significantly(requiring signficant understanding of his brain and how it works) but still unable to extract said codes from him.

You've asked for evidence for Data's ability to do this. I have no direct evidence, nor am I aware of any. My only defense has been Data's similarity to modern day devices(like computers) that store information, and can also delete it. They require input, Data does not, hence his advantage.

If my assumption is unacceptable in your eyes without evidence confirming Data's ability to delete information in his brain, then so be it. I don't see it necessary to point out something I already know: evidence doesn't exist to confirm Data's ability to delete information from his brain.

[Darth Wong]

Mike, my entire theory is based upon the assumption Data may have the ability to delete infromation from his brain. This fits his claim that codes from his brain cannot be forcibly removed(he didn't specify the Borg's ability, he said it in general), and why the Borg can modify him significantly(requiring signficant understanding of his brain and how it works) but still unable to extract said codes from him.

You've asked for evidence for Data's ability to do this. I have no direct evidence, nor am I aware of any. My only defense has been Data's similarity to modern day devices (like computers) that store information, and can also delete it. They require input, Data does not, hence his advantage.

For the third time, the bolded part of your argument is ALSO an assumption. Get it yet?

If my assumption is unacceptable in your eyes without evidence confirming Data's ability to delete information in his brain, then so be it. I don't see it necessary to point out something I already know: evidence doesn't exist to confirm Data's ability to delete information from his brain.

What I'm pointing out is that your repeated statements of operational similarity between Data and modern computers are false and unjustified. Data was invented because a computer expert was bound and determined to create a sentient robot. He was not interested in producing a computer.

[Robert Walper]

Mike, my entire theory is based upon the assumption Data may have the ability to delete infromation from his brain. This fits his claim that codes from his brain cannot be forcibly removed(he didn't specify the Borg's ability, he said it in general), and why the Borg can modify him significantly(requiring signficant understanding of his brain and how it works) but still unable to extract said codes from him.

You've asked for evidence for Data's ability to do this. I have no direct evidence, nor am I aware of any. My only defense has been Data's similarity to modern day devices (like computers) that store information, and can also delete it. They require input, Data does not, hence his advantage.

For the third time, the bolded part of your argument is ALSO an assumption. Get it yet?

*sigh* Yes, I see what you're getting at.

If my assumption is unacceptable in your eyes without evidence confirming Data's ability to delete information in his brain, then so be it. I don't see it necessary to point out something I already know: evidence doesn't exist to confirm Data's ability to delete information from his brain.

What I'm pointing out is that your repeated statements of operational similarity between Data and modern computers are false and unjustified.

Are you implying Data doesn't function in any capacity similar to modern day computers? He does mathematical calculations at computer speeds and degrees. He runs "subroutines" of programming code, he has even created and deleted such programs from his brain(that episode where he was dating the human woman interested).

Hey wait a minute, wouldn't that episode confirm Data's ability to delete information from his brain? He specifically stated at the end of that episode he would delete the appropiate program since their relation was ended. I'm going to look that episode up here...

Data was invented because a computer expert was bound and determined to create a sentient robot. He was not interested in producing a computer.

My impression of Data is a sentient, human shaped computer.

[Darth Wong]

Are you implying Data doesn't function in any capacity similar to modern day computers? He does mathematical calculations at computer speeds and degrees.

And some humans can also perform surprisingly fast mathematical calculations in their heads. Moreover, Data FUCKED UP a simple mathematical calculation in "Relics", and badly. How many computers do that?

He runs "subroutines" of programming code, he has even created and deleted such programs from his brain(that episode where he was dating the human woman interested).

And humans can also start and stop doing things a certain way. What part of this are you not understanding?

Hey wait a minute, wouldn't that episode confirm Data's ability to delete information from his brain? He specifically stated at the end of that episode he would delete the appropiate program since their relation was ended. I'm going to look that episode up here...

Does that mean he won't remember it? Rather doubtful. It only means he'll delete it from his operating procedures. And quite frankly, given the inconsistency in his operating procedures, I have little reason to suspect that they are as hard-coded as he makes them seem.

Data was invented because a computer expert was bound and determined to create a sentient robot. He was not interested in producing a computer.

My impression of Data is a sentient, human shaped computer.

A computer is a calculator. Data is no calculator. My fucking $15 cheap-ass calculator can correctly do calculations that he fucked up.

[Knife]

The whole basis of Borg technology seems to be adaptability. In this sense, its reasonable to assume that Borg outlets (computer, electrical, or whatever) or configured to accept a multatude of hookups. How adaptable can they be if they only accept limited types of input?

We have seen two computer probe sockets on the R2 unit in the movies and there are probably more. There is also the chance of wireless connections to such nodes or outlets.

I don't think its a physical restriction for an R2 to gain access to the computer network aboard a cube. The problem comes to when the R2 trys to decifer the network. But as stated by Ender, the R2 is capable or termedous computer power.

[Robert Walper]

Are you implying Data doesn't function in any capacity similar to modern day computers? He does mathematical calculations at computer speeds and degrees.

And some humans can also perform surprisingly fast mathematical calculations in their heads. Moreover, Data FUCKED UP a simple mathematical calculation in "Relics", and badly.

I've heard that mentioned a few times, but didn't inquire further. Do you have a link or thread I could check out for reference's sake?

How many computers do that?

Technically, computers are infalliable. Errors and problems from said computers can be traced back to human error. Data was created and programmed by a human, thus errors and problems would fall upon his creator if I assert he is similar in nature to computers.

He runs "subroutines" of programming code, he has even created and deleted such programs from his brain(that episode where he was dating the human woman interested).

And humans can also start and stop doing things a certain way. What part of this are you not understanding?

My point was Data runs programming code, can create, modify and delete said code. Computers can and do that as well. Humans don't. Therefore Data is more like a computer than a human being IMO.

Hey wait a minute, wouldn't that episode confirm Data's ability to delete information from his brain? He specifically stated at the end of that episode he would delete the appropiate program since their relation was ended. I'm going to look that episode up here...

Does that mean he won't remember it? Rather doubtful.

Well, he might remember the program having existed, but the actual data composing said program would presumeably be gone permanently.

If I may be so bold, you demanded evidence to give any credibility to Data's ability to delete information from his memory. Wouldn't this evidence suffice for such evidence? That Data can and has deleted information from his storage devices, whatever they may be and function?

It only means he'll delete it from his operating procedures. And quite frankly, given the inconsistency in his operating procedures, I have little reason to suspect that they are as hard-coded as he makes them seem.

Well, I haven't dwelled too much on Data's design flaws and other traits, so I can't say much. Apparently he can create and delete information processed by his brain.

Data was invented because a computer expert was bound and determined to create a sentient robot. He was not interested in producing a computer.

My impression of Data is a sentient, human shaped computer.

A computer is a calculator. Data is no calculator. My fucking $15 cheap-ass calculator can correctly do calculations that he fucked up.

I'd attribute that to human error on part of Data's creator. Could be due to the sophisticated nature of Data's programming that creates occasional glitches in his abilities. As a former programmer myself, I'm well aware of the glitches that can happen in even simplistic coding.

PS: Gotta go to bed, so I'll pick this up tomorrow if I haven't bored you enough yet.

[The Yosemite Bear]

so in other words she's Microsith Windows for Borg without Updates?

god I wonder why she hasn't exploded from performing an "Illegal Action"....

[Lancer]

The whole basis of Borg technology seems to be adaptability. In this sense, its reasonable to assume that Borg outlets (computer, electrical, or whatever) or configured to accept a multatude of hookups. How adaptable can they be if they only accept limited types of input?

We have seen two computer probe sockets on the R2 unit in the movies and there are probably more. There is also the chance of wireless connections to such nodes or outlets.

I don't think its a physical restriction for an R2 to gain access to the computer network aboard a cube. The problem comes to when the R2 trys to decifer the network. But as stated by Ender, the R2 is capable or termedous computer power.

Borg tech isn't made so that anybody who wants to can hook up to it. They don't care if some random person or droid can't interface with it. They have a standard input that drones can use, that's all that they need. You don't see consoles on assimilated vessels supporting the LCARS interface or any other interface that the borg have come across anymore than standard borg consoles will accept R2's dataprobes or fiber-optic cable.

See Ent: Regenaration. After the drones assimilated part of Ent, Trip wasn't able to just call up the old Ent control scheme even with the multitude of tools avalible, he had to physically replace the assimilated components to restore the default Ent controls, let alone use the affected consoles.

[Knife]

Borg tech isn't made so that anybody who wants to can hook up to it. They don't care if some random person or droid can't interface with it. They have a standard input that drones can use, that's all that they need. You don't see consoles on assimilated vessels supporting the LCARS interface or any other interface that the borg have come across anymore than standard borg consoles will accept R2's dataprobes or fiber-optic cable.

See Ent: Regenaration. After the drones assimilated part of Ent, Trip wasn't able to just call up the old Ent control scheme even with the multitude of tools avalible, he had to physically replace the assimilated components to restore the default Ent controls, let alone use the affected consoles.

The whole concept of the Borg is assimulation of different cultures into one hodge podge culture. Their tech is the tech of hundreds of cultures that are adapted into their own. Granted, each drone has its hook up socket (or whatever it is called) but that doesn't automaticly mean its incapatable with an R2's hook up probes.

Ontop of that the very nature of the Borg drones means that they are hook up via a wireless network (subspace transponders) which means that the networks are accessable via transmissions and do not necessarily need a physical hook up.

An R2 unit doesn't need a keyboard or any other physical input device like an LCAR's. It just needs to splice into the system via probe or wireless transmission. Thats were the question of if it can decifer and manipulate the system comes in, but it also brings into question on how fast can it churn through the system.

[Lancer]

Borg tech isn't made so that anybody who wants to can hook up to it. They don't care if some random person or droid can't interface with it. They have a standard input that drones can use, that's all that they need. You don't see consoles on assimilated vessels supporting the LCARS interface or any other interface that the borg have come across anymore than standard borg consoles will accept R2's dataprobes or fiber-optic cable.

See Ent: Regenaration. After the drones assimilated part of Ent, Trip wasn't able to just call up the old Ent control scheme even with the multitude of tools avalible, he had to physically replace the assimilated components to restore the default Ent controls, let alone use the affected consoles.

The whole concept of the Borg is assimulation of different cultures into one hodge podge culture. Their tech is the tech of hundreds of cultures that are adapted into their own. Granted, each drone has its hook up socket (or whatever it is called) but that doesn't automaticly mean its incapatable with an R2's hook up probes.

"Hook up socket"? Are you refering to the regeneration alcoves? Those aren't data input devices at all. Those are glorified rechargers for individual drones.

[Knife]

"Hook up socket"? Are you refering to the regeneration alcoves? Those aren't data input devices at all. Those are glorified rechargers for individual drones.

Those and the terminals or stations or what ever the hell the drones work/use on the cube.

[Robert Walper]

"Hook up socket"? Are you refering to the regeneration alcoves? Those aren't data input devices at all. Those are glorified rechargers for individual drones.

Those and the terminals or stations or what ever the hell the drones work/use on the cube.

The only interfaces on Borg vessels I'm aware of is their regeneration alcoves. I hardly expect a R2 unit to successfully sit in one.

Other interfaces Borg drones use are control panels, similar to Federation touch screen panels. I don't see how a R2 unit would utilize those, since it apparently lacks arms and fingers to work them effectively(not to mention simply being to short to boot).

In regards to Borg drones interfacing with alien computer systems and the like, they use their forearm assimilation tubules to actually stab into enemy control panels and attempt to take control from there.

As to hacking into the Borg Collective's subspace signals, this has only been done through a Borg drone, which I'm extremely dubious R2 would successfully capture and utilize in this manner. Furthermore, even Data's attempts to access critical Borg system in BoBW resulted in him being stumped by Borg security measures and declaring all critical systems protected.

[Lancer]

"Hook up socket"? Are you refering to the regeneration alcoves? Those aren't data input devices at all. Those are glorified rechargers for individual drones.

Those and the terminals or stations or what ever the hell the drones work/use on the cube.

The only interfaces on Borg vessels I'm aware of is their regeneration alcoves. I hardly expect a R2 unit to successfully sit in one.

Other interfaces Borg drones use are control panels, similar to Federation touch screen panels. I don't see how a R2 unit would utilize those, since it apparently lacks arms and fingers to work them effectively(not to mention simply being to short to boot).

In regards to Borg drones interfacing with alien computer systems and the like, they use their forearm assimilation tubules to actually stab into enemy control panels and attempt to take control from there.

clarification: The nanoprobe injectors actually assimilate the local terminal and take over from there independent from the drone that stabbed the console. The assimilation tubules don't normally act as an interface between the drone and the control panel.

As to hacking into the Borg Collective's subspace signals, this has only been done through a Borg drone, which I'm extremely dubious R2 would successfully capture and utilize in this manner. Furthermore, even Data's attempts to access critical Borg system in BoBW resulted in him being stumped by Borg security measures and declaring all critical systems protected.

[Knife]

The only interfaces on Borg vessels I'm aware of is their regeneration alcoves. I hardly expect a R2 unit to successfully sit in one.

Thats ridiculous. If the only access point is the regeneration nodes, why are would the Borg get out of them. Durring the TNG scenes with crew inside the cube, numerous drones are walking around and ignoring the crew as they are not a threat. Why would they be walking around if their work station and bunk are the same regeneration node?

Other interfaces Borg drones use are control panels, similar to Federation touch screen panels. I don't see how a R2 unit would utilize those, since it apparently lacks arms and fingers to work them effectively(not to mention simply being to short to boot).

In regards to Borg drones interfacing with alien computer systems and the like, they use their forearm assimilation tubules to actually stab into enemy control panels and attempt to take control from there.

Those two paragraphs conterdict each other. IF the Borg use their tubes to touch or insert their own hardware/software into control pannels, whats the beef with an R2 unit using its probes/arms/onboard equipment to do the same. Can not an R2 unit install its own software/hardware into the system to manipulate it?

As to hacking into the Borg Collective's subspace signals, this has only been done through a Borg drone, which I'm extremely dubious R2 would successfully capture and utilize in this manner. Furthermore, even Data's attempts to access critical Borg system in BoBW resulted in him being stumped by Borg security measures and declaring all critical systems protected.

And why would the R2 need a drone's tranciever to scan frequencies and find the one that the Borg are using? Picard ripped one out of a drone because he didn't have any resources handy to use his own gear.

[Robert Walper]

clarification: The nanoprobe injectors actually assimilate the local terminal and take over from there independent from the drone that stabbed the console.

This would seem to be contradicted by Seven of Nine's behavior in STVOY "Scorpion Part 2". She walked up to Ensign Paris's station and stabbed her assimilation tubules into the helm. At that point, Voyager's computer system started fluctuating, and Ensign Harry Kim tried to block her access, but quote: "She's bypassing security measures!" This indicated to me that Seven was using her assimilation injectors to forcibly hack Voyager's systems, and prossibly using the Collective's processing power to assist in the takeover.

I suspect you may have meant that Borg drones can deploy nanoprobes in this fashion to assimilate a workstation, but I'm extremely dubious to the idea of nanoprobes alone being capable of hijacking a alien computer system, which is what I was referring to.

The assimilation tubules don't normally act as an interface between the drone and the control panel.

I was referring to alien craft, not Borg vessels themselves. Drones use typical Trek touch panels onboard their own vessels.