hypothetical question- US VS Israel- all out war

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2003-12-30 11:50am

For some fanciful reason (Israel stole the US plans for the Death Star), US declares war on Israel. Barring nukes, everything else is ok'd for combat.

I ask because someone on a chatroom on Yahoo has been arguing that in a one-on-one war, Israel would defeat the US. I think this a tad unlikely, and thought I would pose the question those more knowledgeable than myself.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-12-30 11:54am

The US can field more aircraft with Aircraft carriers alone. Israel would be lucky to field two divisons into battle while the US can field ten if they wish.

The US would smash Israel.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-12-30 12:00pm

Every country in the region, even if not participating militarily, would give us access to ports and airbases in a heart beat. We would simply blockade Israel while we are gathering our forces in the surrounding countries, using cruise missiles every now and then to take out ripe targets. When ready, we'd roll in and smash them. Obviousily they have a good military, so our kill ratio won't be nearly as large as what we had in the Gulf, but Israel is nontheless toast.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-12-30 12:08pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:Every country in the region, even if not participating militarily, would give us access to ports and airbases in a heart beat. We would simply blockade Israel while we are gathering our forces in the surrounding countries, using cruise missiles every now and then to take out ripe targets. When ready, we'd roll in and smash them. Obviousily they have a good military, so our kill ratio won't be nearly as large as what we had in the Gulf, but Israel is nontheless toast.

Hell we could simply wage war by proxy. Let Israel's neighbors loose on them with air support from our carriers and cruise missile support the war is over for Israel with minimal losses for us. Not only would we have won the war but the losses inflicted on the Arab armies would have gutted them making them a non threat for many years to come. A real win-win for us.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2003-12-30 12:26pm

Sothis wrote:For some fanciful reason (Israel stole the US plans for the Death Star), US declares war on Israel. Barring nukes, everything else is ok'd for combat.

I ask because someone on a chatroom on Yahoo has been arguing that in a one-on-one war, Israel would defeat the US. I think this a tad unlikely, and thought I would pose the question those more knowledgeable than myself.

This is like the China vs Japan all out war debates that occur at my school. Within two or three hours, China/the US would have about 10,000 casualties, but everybody in Japan/Isarel would be dead.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-12-30 12:35pm

I wouldn't doubt Israel's resolve in using nuclear weapons if it were invaded..

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2003-12-30 12:45pm

The US wins because of superior man-power. If it was equal numbers of planes fighting, I think it goes to Israel. But the US probably has superior troops and naval power for equal numbers.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-30 12:49pm

kojikun wrote:I wouldn't doubt Israel's resolve in using nuclear weapons if it were invaded..

And how is it going to deliver them to American soil? Fairy-dust? And what would they think the Americans would do if nuclear weapons were used against them?

PS. The original post barred nukes anyway.

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2003-12-30 12:53pm

There's no way Israel would be able to take and hold American territory even if they did manage to hold off an invasion somehow. Most of the Arab world would immedietly jump at a chance to right some of Israel's wrongs, and would join the States very quickly. This means that Israel would be under attack on all conceivable fronts, against an enemy removed from the theatre of war by thousands of miles, which can't be crossed by Israel due to a massive military blokade (meaning probably three aircraft carriers and associated fighters, a half a dozen submarines, and assorted small boarding vessels).

Best case scenario for Israel is that the Arab world decides not to help America because of the War in Iraq, and even then air strikes would force them to be on the defensive throughout the whole country.

The States smash them flat.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-12-30 01:03pm

Stravo wrote: Not only would we have won the war but the losses inflicted on the Arab armies would have gutted them making them a non threat for many years to come. A real win-win for us.

I'm not sure if I could support that. While we would do our very best to target only legitimate military targets, you know some of the Arab armies would murder every Jewish man, woman, and child they could find. So unless the goal is genocide I wouldn't think that to be a good idea.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-12-30 01:20pm

Darth Wong wrote:And how is it going to deliver them to American soil? Fairy-dust? And what would they think the Americans would do if nuclear weapons were used against them?

I was thinking more battlefield usage. And against the middle eastern nations that supported the US.

PS. The original post barred nukes anyway.

Ah. Moot posts, mine were.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-12-30 01:52pm

U.S. wins. Simply due to Manpower issues, this is the third largest country in the world VS a country with about the same population as one CITY in the U.S.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2003-12-30 02:05pm

I can't believe this is even a valid question other than for humor's sake. The US would steamroll over Israel.

The biggest concern the US would have is their public opinion polls whining about US casualties...

CDiehl · Post by **CDiehl** » 2003-12-30 04:16pm

I agree with the consensus. US wins, with some losses. If we could get the Arab countries to participate, our losses would go down. I'd simply wreck their military, seize their WMD's and leave them to the tender mercies of their neighbors. They're the enemy, so they can reap what they sow, like the Old Testament says.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2003-12-30 04:17pm

Victory woudl be quite plausible even without casualties of any kind (besides routine accidents from operations aboard Aircraft carriers and similair high risk vehicles). I say this because a huge protion ofthe Israeli Army and Air Force is outfitted, and refitted with, US parts. with a blockade of Israel (and their inability to smuggle weapons in through any of their neighbors) we could just sit back and watch half their air force turn into irreperable junk after which we could casually stroll in and leave A-10s loiterring over every staging area destroying anything resembling armor. Long before the first Marine landed the country would be starving out and be in no shape to resist short of a guerilla movement. total steamroll, the only question is not if but how long.

Oh yes and Matt China lacks the amphibious assets to effectively strike Japan on land, its Navy isn't worth the name, and the responsiveness of the air defense grid in Japan combined with naval proteciton and its fighter corps would make a mockery of China's Air Force which is only slightly less the paper tiger than what Iraq's was before GW I.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2003-12-30 05:20pm

There's a novel floating around out there about a war between Israel and the great state of Texas.

I think it's called The Israeli-Texas War or something like that.

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2003-12-30 05:23pm

I can only imagine the thought that must have went into that one... Although its rather more a fair fight than all of the U.S.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-12-30 06:08pm

The Israeli Navy would last however long it takes the Mk48's to make their runs, the IAF would give a good fight in the air but half its bases wiped off the map by hundreds of missiles and bombs. That leaves the Israeli army, which can field about 15 divisions, most of them armored. However they simply do not have the supplies and economic resources to keep the army going for more then a few weeks. It would as many others have pointed out be a shadow of its self by the time the US decided it might try a ground invasion, if ever. If the ground war does come, its massed tanks and APC's would be fodder for air attacks and the US Army is far superior anyway, the Israelis are still making heavy use of M60's, first model Merk's and simply don't use any form of IFV.

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2003-12-30 06:11pm

Sothis wrote:I ask because someone on a chatroom on Yahoo has been arguing that in a one-on-one war, Israel would defeat the US.

Out of curiosity, what sort of justification is s/he using for this? Short of nuclear weapons, anyone can see Israel has no chanc, and nukes are forbidden in the OP.

CDiehl · Post by **CDiehl** » 2003-12-30 10:57pm

I would guess this person justifies that theory by citing how Israel has beaten its neighbors. That assumes the US military is as lame as Iraqis, which was presented as one of the toughest armies in the Middle East before the Gulf War.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-12-31 12:47am

I guess that the person stating this on Yahoo! is either an idiot, or is assuming that Israel and the U.S. both have equal population/resources. If that were true, then our lack of universal conscription would slaughter us...

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-12-31 01:06am

After bombing all their air support to hell, it would be a walk in the park.

Almost like Iraq redux, in that all the soldiers would be running up to surrender.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2003-12-31 01:17am

You fools!

Bite your toungues and gouge out your eyes! Surely you must realize that if America were to turn its back on the Chosen People(tm) That God Almighty would smite any Gentile who dare attack the Holy Land! It is only because we have befriended the master race that we have had such success so far! Our planes would fall out of the sky! Our missiles would detonate in their launch tubes and sandstorms and hurricanes would swallow our tanks and ships! Stop this blasphemy before His anger waxes hot and he rains His righteous wrath down upon us!

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-12-31 02:20am

Sothis wrote:For some fanciful reason (Israel stole the US plans for the Death Star), US declares war on Israel. Barring nukes, everything else is ok'd for combat.

I ask because someone on a chatroom on Yahoo has been arguing that in a one-on-one war, Israel would defeat the US. I think this a tad unlikely, and thought I would pose the question those more knowledgeable than myself.

Is this going on in one of the politics chat rooms? I use to participate in those debates a lot but now it's a dating service.

If so, what is the name of the chatter?

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-12-31 03:26am

Lazy Raptor wrote: You fools!

Bite your toungues and gouge out your eyes! Surely you must realize that if America were to turn its back on the Chosen People(tm) That God Almighty would smite any Gentile who dare attack the Holy Land! It is only because we have befriended the master race that we have had such success so far! Our planes would fall out of the sky! Our missiles would detonate in their launch tubes and sandstorms and hurricanes would swallow our tanks and ships! Stop this blasphemy before His anger waxes hot and he rains His righteous wrath down upon us!

You know, if that actually happened, I really wouldn't know what to do. Staying alive would suck, and dying would involve an eternity of pain...

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