Who is the best quarterback of all time?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-12-31 07:40pm

My pick is Joe Namath, when he wasn't injured, and had semi-decent protection he could bomb the ball 60 yards and hit his reciever right on the numbers.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-12-31 07:46pm

Maybe some will think I'm a nut for saying this, but I like Joe Montana. Granted, he didn't have the best arm, but when he was on his game, he had something better: he could see everything, and he knew where to throw that ball.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-12-31 07:52pm

Joe Montana.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-12-31 08:09pm

Darth Wong wrote:Maybe some will think I'm a nut for saying this, but I like Joe Montana. Granted, he didn't have the best arm, but when he was on his game, he had something better: he could see everything, and he knew where to throw that ball.

He was a great quarterback, and I think that he deserves to be enshrined in the temple to the football gods, but without the best recievers in the league surrounding him, and a system designed for him (West Coast offense) he'd be a puny quarterback. Namath/Unitas/Otto Graham were better quarterbacks all around, and played well even if they had crap recievers.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-12-31 08:38pm

Darth Wong wrote:Maybe some will think I'm a nut for saying this, but I like Joe Montana. Granted, he didn't have the best arm, but when he was on his game, he had something better: he could see everything, and he knew where to throw that ball.

Hmmm. I hate the 49'ers and I know Montana played for the Chiefs (glad and sad about that even to this day) I still gotta say that Joe was D'man. He could force plays, scamble with the best of them, and nail long and short passes like he was playing with his kids.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2003-12-31 08:42pm

I think that Farve could be one of the best. He's a play maker, and an iron man.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-12-31 08:53pm

"Super Joe" Montana is definitely among the best.

Fran Tarkenton was the best QB who never won a Super Bowl. Went there four times with the Vikings in the '70s, though.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-01-01 02:53am

Dan Marino, And not just because I'm a rabid 'phinfan. (First person to say the words "No Ring" Or any derivative of that will be...the object of my wrath...which many roaches will attest to as being quite terrible.)

Most career pass attempts
1. Dan Marino -- 8,358
2. John Elway -- 7,250
3. Warren Moon -- 3,928

Most career completions
1. Dan Marino -- 4,967
2. John Elway -- 4,123
3. Warren Moon -- 3,928

Most Career Passing Yards
1. Dan Marino -- 61,361
2. John Elway -- 51,475
3. Warren Moon -- 49,097

Most Career Touchdown Passes
1. Dan Marino -- 420 (*snicker* See how much he rules?)
2. Fran Tarkenton -- 342
3. John Elway -- 300

Highest Passer rating Rookie
1. Dan Marino -- 96.0
2. Greg Cook -- 88.2
3. Charlie Connerly -- 84.0

Most Passing yards, season
1. Dan Marino -- 5,084 (1984)
2. Dan Fouts -- 4,802 (1981)
3. Dan Marino -- 4,746 (1986)

Most 400-yard passing games, Career
1. Dan Marino -- 13
2. Joe Montana -- 7
3. Warren Moon -- 7

Most 400-yard passing games, season
1. Dan Marino -- 4 (1984)
2. Dan Marino -- 3 (1986)
3. several players -- 2

Yards per game, Career
1. Dan Marino -- 253.6
2. Drew Bledsoe -- 245.0
3. Brett Favre -- 239.5

most 4,000 Yards Passing seasons
1. Dan Marino -- 6
2. Warren Moon -- 4

most 3000 Yard passing seasons
1. Dan Marino -- 13 (1984-92, 1994-95, 1997-98)
2. Warren Moon -- 9
3. Joe Montana -- 8
3. Jim Kelly -- 8

Most touchdown passes, season
1. Dan Marino -- 48
2. Dan Marino -- 44
3. Kurt Warner -- 41

Other NFL Records Marino holds:

Lowest Sack pct., Career: 3.1 , (Pass Plays 8628, Sacks 270)
Most seasons, 40 or more TD passes: 2 (1984, 1986)
Most consecective seasons, 20 or more TD passes: 10 (1983-92)
Most Consecutive Games with 4 or more TDs: 4 (1984).
Most Career Touchdowns Passes Against an Opponent: 72, N.Y. Jets
Most Touchdowns Passes in Consective Playoff Games: 13, (1983-95)
Most Games with at Least 1 TD pass: 203, (out of 242)
AFC Championship Game Record: 421 Yards & 4 TDs (1984)

Marino is tied for the following records:
Most seasons leading league, yards gained: 5 (1984-86, '88, '92), with Sonny Jurgenson.
Most consecutive seasons leading league, completions: 3 (1984-86), with George Blanda.
Most consecutive games, 400 or more yards passing: 2 (1984), with Dan Fouts.
Most consecutive seasons, 4,000 or more yards passing: 3 (1984-86), with Dan Fouts.
Most games, 300 or more yards passing, season: 9 (1984), with Warren Moon.

FredTaylor#28 at Rateitall.com summed up Dan perfectly, saying

Anyone who truly knows football and follows the game of football know(s) that Marino had the physical ability to throw the ball unlike anyone else. His quick release, his quick decision making, and his incredible velocity enabled him to compile yards, first downs, and touchdowns and turned the Dolphins into a offensive force with his presence alone. Not only that, he probably had the best pocket presence of anyone also. He could sense the rush and sidestep just at the right time. Bottom line: In his prime, i'd take this guy over anyone who has ever played. The two biggest keys to winning a ring are a proficient running game and a solid D. Marin(o) never had a proficient running game and when he had a solid D, he was way past his prime. He's the greatest ever.

As an aside, I disagree with the bolded statement. I'll elaborate if asked, but I think we all know running and D alone do not win games. (special teams are vital, as is the ability to Air out the pigskin.)

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-01 03:15am

Chardok, you forgot one statistic:

Dan Marino's only Super Bowl appearance: 0wned by Joe Montana

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-01-01 03:20am

I will always hate Montana for beating Esiason though.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2004-01-01 03:22am

I guess I'm an old softy: Johnny Unitas. Back in the day when men were men and they played football without dancing like idiots and pulling out cellphones whenever they scored a touchdown.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-01-01 03:22am

Sort of like the Bills and Cowboys

? And I was thinking of mentioning Marino, but he doesn't have the Super Bowls.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-01 03:24am

StormTrooperTR889 wrote:Sort of like the Bills and Cowboys ?

I hate the Cowboys for beating my Bills, but I won't deny that they were the better team. There's a difference between being a fan and being an ostrich. I see no point burying my head in the sand.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-01-01 03:27am

Darth Wong wrote:Chardok, you forgot one statistic:

Dan Marino's only Super Bowl appearance: 0wned by Joe Montana

WRATH! WRATH! WRATH! I RAIN WRATH UPON YOU!

Anyway, you're forgetting that, at that time, Montana already won a superbowl, and Marino was only in his second season!
(29 for 50 for 318 with one touchdown is not a bad performance, albeit with 2 INT...) Thing was, Shula had completely retooled the Dolphin's offense around Marinos arm, and the niners clogged the passing lanes like rabid psychotic lunatics. What a great superbowl regardless.....Now, the way the Niners handed the bengals their asses...that was classic

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-01-01 03:30am

StormTrooperTR889 wrote:Sort of like the Bills and Cowboys ? And I was thinking of mentioning Marino, but he doesn't have the Super Bowls.

WRATH!

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-01-01 03:35am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I guess I'm an old softy: Johnny Unitas. Back in the day when men were men and they played football without dancing like idiots and pulling out cellphones whenever they scored a touchdown.

UNitas was great, but he was nothing compared to Broadway Joe

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2004-01-01 03:48am

Elway!

*dives into antiflame bunker*

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-01-01 03:58am

Elway was good, and he went out on top. But yeah, you better dive.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-01 04:09am

JediNeophyte wrote:Elway!

*dives into antiflame bunker*

Oh yes, Elway. Yet another QB who was horribly 0wned by Joe Montana in a Super Bowl. In fact, Joe Montana collected his 2nd and 3rd Super Bowl MVP awards against Marino and Elway respectively.