The Trade Federation vs The United Federation of Planets

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-01 11:41pm

Ok, the UFP for some reason has their entire fleet at Earth or in the solar system. The Trade Federation has been flung into the Milky Way Galaxy and now wants to invade Earth. The Trade has all their ships (if anybody knows the exact number of their whole fleet then please say it, if not then go with the globe encircling fleet at Naboo). They come right out of hyperspace and with their shields up and the UFP's shields are up as well. And then...???

Will the Trade destroy the UFP fleet, invade Earth, and enslave the population? Or will the UFP destroy the Trade ships and take great losses? Please use as much cannon evidence to back up your answers.

And I searched and did not find this type of topic anywhere in this forum. If it is here I am sorry.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-01-01 11:47pm

Been brought up a couple times before.

Short answer: Trade Fed

Long answer: Go on the archive board and search for the long answer.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2004-01-01 11:48pm

Well, even assuming that the Trade Federation ships have kiloton level weaponry, the sheer firing rate shown in TPM first when Amidala was escaping Naboo and second during the space battle at the end would probably decimate the UFP fleet.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-02 12:41am

This is an extremely unfair scenario for the Feds. Even though the Trade Federation's ships are crap, they have thousands of them, and they would pop out in Earth's solar system where the Federation generally doesn't have more than a dozen ships.

Never mind the ground battle; despite the battledroids' ineptitude, it would be more one-sided than a boxing match between Lennox Lewis and my grandmother.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-02 03:12am

Thousands is a conservative estimate. I'd guess more like tens of thousands, at least.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2004-01-02 03:36am

Would the Trade Federation have superior industrial capacity as well? Because those droid control ships are big (I think 2 miles across, according to the ICS), and there are probably thousands of them.

Mechwarrior · Post by **Mechwarrior** » 2004-01-02 06:18am

In ground battles the Feds would lose, why? Fed always use Stun settings on their phasers and Stun doesnt accect Droids.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-01-02 07:01am

More to the point the average Battle Droid has more brains than a redshirt. They can say "Uh oh" before they get killed.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2004-01-02 09:18am

Mechwarrior wrote:In ground battles the Feds would lose, why? Fed always use Stun settings on their phasers and Stun doesnt accect Droids.

Starfleet is full of wimps not dunces! When they realize that they're fighting robots, they starting using higher settings.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-01-02 09:23am

Even if the feds use high setting from the start the battle droids are too many to contend with. Each TF battle ship employs enough Droids to hold large city. The only thing that could work against the TF is that not every one of their ships is a full battle ship. However the situation can be resolved by outside contracting for some of the labour. An agreement with the Ferengi Alliance would do the trick. The Nemodians and Ferengi would get along like long lost brothers i think.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-01-02 09:49am

The Trade Federation warships are as big as the feared Dominion Battleship and much stronger. Their shields could ignore torpedoes in the gigaton range as seen in TPM.

While they lack heavy turbolasers their cannons are still poowerful enough to dispatch Federation ships. In addition they carry squadrons droid fighters which could make short work of Federation ships with their proton torpedoes.

Given that the Trade Federation has the numbers to fight in a Galactic conflict they must have a considerable starfleet. The blockade fleet seen in TPM alone was more than 3000 warpships.

So it is safe to say the Trade Federation will crush the United Federation of Planets.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-01-02 09:53am

paladin wrote:
Mechwarrior wrote:In ground battles the Feds would lose, why? Fed always use Stun settings on their phasers and Stun doesnt accect Droids.
Starfleet is full of wimps not dunces! When they realize that they're fighting robots, they starting using higher settings.

Their phasers wont work against Destroyer droids which are shielded. Even ordinary droids would be difficult to kill as they are much better soldiers than Starfleet redshirts.

TurboPhaser · Post by **TurboPhaser** » 2004-01-02 11:01am

Mechwarrior wrote:In ground battles the Feds would lose, why? Fed always use Stun settings on their phasers and Stun doesnt accect Droids.

Really?

Well, the battle in 'The Siege of AR-558' sure didnt look like stun.

And the aftermath of 'Nor the Battle to the Strong' also did not look like stun.

And 'Rocks and Shoals' sure didnt look like stun.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-02 12:26pm

TurboPhaser wrote:
Mechwarrior wrote:In ground battles the Feds would lose, why? Fed always use Stun settings on their phasers and Stun doesnt accect Droids.
Really?

Well, the battle in 'The Siege of AR-558' sure didnt look like stun.

And the aftermath of 'Nor the Battle to the Strong' also did not look like stun.

And 'Rocks and Shoals' sure didnt look like stun.

Oh come on, the guy was obviously joking. Lighten up.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-01-02 12:34pm

Darth Wong wrote:This is an extremely unfair scenario for the Feds. Even though the Trade Federation's ships are crap, they have thousands of them, and they would pop out in Earth's solar system where the Federation generally doesn't have more than a dozen ships.

The scenario specifically stated that all the UFPs ships are in the Sol system.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-02 12:38pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:This is an extremely unfair scenario for the Feds. Even though the Trade Federation's ships are crap, they have thousands of them, and they would pop out in Earth's solar system where the Federation generally doesn't have more than a dozen ships.
The scenario specifically stated that all the UFPs ships are in the Sol system.

Sorry, I didn't notice that. It's still a walkover, though. Thousands of mammoth ships against thousands of relatively miniscule ships is still not much of a challenge, even if they do happen to be converted transports. And once the TradeFed gets its ground forces into Federation cities, what are the Feds going to do? Bombard their own cities from orbit while trying to avoid being annihilated by the TradeFed ships?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-01-02 01:14pm

The AOTC ICS mentions dedicated cruisers based around the core ship hull constructed after Naboo.

The UFP would be screwed by one of them, let alone however many actually exist.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2004-01-02 01:19pm

Well, the TF Coreships appear to only have 8 kT guns. But a lot of them. The fire should be able to add up easily enough. And it's not like return fire from the UFP can do much since the Coreship has 10 times the shielding of an Acclamator.

Sending a handfull against the entire UFP fleet might be interesting (can the UFP unleash over 160 teratons/second?). Sending all against the UFP fleet is overkill.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-02 01:37pm

OK, so even if we say that the Trade sends 700-1000 would it be enough force to completely destroy all Fed ships and then invade/ And how many ships would the Trade lose?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-01-02 01:38pm

Mad wrote:Well, the TF Coreships appear to only have 8 kT guns. But a lot of them. The fire should be able to add up easily enough. And it's not like return fire from the UFP can do much since the Coreship has 10 times the shielding of an Acclamator.

I suspect the cruiser-rings that fit onto it have TLs, and maybe HTLs.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2004-01-02 01:43pm

Techno_Union wrote:OK, so even if we say that the Trade sends 700-1000 would it be enough force to completely destroy all Fed ships and then invade/ And how many ships would the Trade lose?

With only 150 major worlds in all the UFP 700-1000 ships would be enough to station 3-5 ships on every world, which is a good a blockade as any against UFP vessels. It's quite possible the TradeFeds would not take any losses in such an invasion due to the scattered nature of the UFP Star Fleet and the monstrous power required to overload the shields on something as small as TradeFed Core Ships.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-02 01:58pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:OK, so even if we say that the Trade sends 700-1000 would it be enough force to completely destroy all Fed ships and then invade/ And how many ships would the Trade lose?
With only 150 major worlds in all the UFP 700-1000 ships would be enough to station 3-5 ships on every world, which is a good a blockade as any against UFP vessels. It's quite possible the TradeFeds would not take any losses in such an invasion due to the scattered nature of the UFP Star Fleet and the monstrous power required to overload the shields on something as small as TradeFed Core Ships.

What i was talking about though was if the entire Fed fleet was in the Solar System and 700-1000 Trade Battleships come to fight them. Could the Trade then destroy all Fed ships and then invade Earth?

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2004-01-02 01:59pm

Techno_Union wrote:OK, so even if we say that the Trade sends 700-1000 would it be enough force to completely destroy all Fed ships and then invade/ And how many ships would the Trade lose?

If the TF sends 700 ships, the TF should lose no more than 1 or 2 ships to Federation fire. That's assuming the majority of the UFP fleet can open up on a single TF ship at the same time. Given the amount of coordination that would take, it's unlikely. The UFP would need to sustain 160 TT worth of firepower per second to overload TF Coreship shields.

A more likely scenario is that a few TF ships take minor hull damage from random lucky hits while UFP starships explode left and right from incoming fire. Maybe some lighter ships we haven't seen will be destroyed if they're sent. And some fighters destroyed if the TF decides to deploy them for some reason. However, very soon, the UFP will lose the ability to mass enough fire to threaten a TF capship and then all the TF will have to do is mop up.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2004-01-02 02:09pm

Techno_Union wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:OK, so even if we say that the Trade sends 700-1000 would it be enough force to completely destroy all Fed ships and then invade/ And how many ships would the Trade lose?
With only 150 major worlds in all the UFP 700-1000 ships would be enough to station 3-5 ships on every world, which is a good a blockade as any against UFP vessels. It's quite possible the TradeFeds would not take any losses in such an invasion due to the scattered nature of the UFP Star Fleet and the monstrous power required to overload the shields on something as small as TradeFed Core Ships.
What i was talking about though was if the entire Fed fleet was in the Solar System and 700-1000 Trade Battleships come to fight them. Could the Trade then destroy all Fed ships and then invade Earth?

The TF Battleships are completely immune to weapons fire from any Federation fleet that could possibly concentrate fire against it. While the TF Core Ships have only kiloton level weaponry, AFAIK evidence suggests the rings have TLs or HTLs which would desimate any Federation fleet.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-02 02:20pm

These are the stats of a 700 Battleship fleet from the Trade:

Troops-43,120,000
Starfighter-1,050,000
C-9979 Landing Crafts-35,000
MTT-385,000
ATT-4,375,000
Aprox. Armament-29,400 Quadlaser

The Core Ships have their own light lasers. For a fleet of 700 Battleships: 196,000(8 Kilotons per shot at max)