End of the line for the SW books

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-02 06:31pm

After the YV are destroyed what else is there to happen in the SW galaxy? Would it be the end of the line of the books or would they just simply start a new series of the Jedi vs Sith wars. Does anybody have any ideas on what the next books should be about or what should happen after the YV are destroyed or the NR destroyed?

If this belongs in another forum please tell me. I was not sure

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-02 06:40pm

The Sith are done, gone and dealt with. The only obstacle for the Jedi are Dark Jedi, those who are effectively the washouts from Skywalker's Jedi Academy. The Empire is no longer the aggressive or expansionist regime it used to be, and it doesn't have the military muscle to challenge the rest of the Galaxy. But I wouldn't say there aren't any more SW books to be made. There are tens of thousands of years of history to go through and trillions of inhabited star systems. I find it hard to believe their aren't any more stories to be told. And were the Vong really defeated? The invasion force sent to conquer the Galaxy was, but if I'm not mistaken they have several other galaxies under their control... Also there are plenty of possibilities for small scale conflict stories.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-02 06:52pm

The Sith are done, gone and dealt with. The only obstacle for the Jedi are Dark Jedi, those who are effectively the washouts from Skywalker's Jedi Academy

What I meant by Jedi vs Sith was the time before the old republic. The time when the Sith Empire tried to take over the Old Republic. But about the galaxies of the YV, I am not sure. And I have not been keeping up with the recent books so I am not sure if the YV are defeated.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-02 06:59pm

I haven't finished the NJO either, but as far as I know they were quite thoroughly defeated, and relocated to Zonama Sekot.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-02 08:10pm

then a new idea could be the Galacitc Alliance pushes towards the other galaxies. (Assuming that SW ships can go between galaxies)

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-02 08:13pm

Techno_Union wrote:then a new idea could be the Galacitc Alliance pushes towards the other galaxies. (Assuming that SW ships can go between galaxies)

Not possible. There is a hyperspace anamoly that surrounds the Galaxy which prevents extragalactic travel. However the Vong did it, it was beyond conventional hyperdrive tech. They would have to figure out how the Vong did it first, and seeing as how they lump their science into religious "Cortexes" I doubt they even know.

[Edit] Forgot to mention that even if the Alliance could escape the Galaxy, they would never be able to effectively span the distance between galaxies, even if you use the most liberal of hyperdrive speed estimates.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-02 08:15pm

so how was the "outbound flight project" going to happen. the project included jedi who were going to try and break through the barrier. would they be able to do it then. so what if luke or lea help them.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-02 08:18pm

Techno_Union wrote:so how was the "outbound flight project" going to happen. the project included jedi who were going to try and break through the barrier. would they be able to do it then. so what if luke or lea help them.

My knowledge of the Outbound Flight Project is sketchy. I thought they were exploring the Unknown Regions (effectively outside the Galaxy proper from the Republic's view) didn't Thrawn ambush them? Wasn't he in charge of the fleet group in that region?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2004-01-02 08:21pm

Lazy Raptor wrote:My knowledge of the Outbound Flight Project is sketchy. I thought they were exploring the Unknown Regions (effectively outside the Galaxy proper from the Republic's view) didn't Thrawn ambush them? Wasn't he in charge of the fleet group in that region?

Their ultimate goal was to go extra-galactic, but only after doing a fly-by of the Unknown Regions. Supposedly, the Jedi were there to help break the hyperspace barrier. Unfortunately, Thrawn found them.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2004-01-02 08:23pm

Is there actually a hyperspaced barrier (IOW, they actually tried it sometime) or is it just some religious superstition or whatnot like Saxton theorized?

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-02 08:23pm

My mistake, the galactic barrier isn't impenatrable, but rather makes for unbelievably difficult astronavigation. Like in the Deep Core. I have no idea what causes it though...

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-02 08:27pm

Lazy Raptor wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:so how was the "outbound flight project" going to happen. the project included jedi who were going to try and break through the barrier. would they be able to do it then. so what if luke or lea help them.
My knowledge of the Outbound Flight Project is sketchy. I thought they were exploring the Unknown Regions (effectively outside the Galaxy proper from the Republic's view) didn't Thrawn ambush them? Wasn't he in charge of the fleet group in that region?

The Jedi Masters aboard the Outbound Flight vessel intended to use the Force to breach the sphere of hyperspace turbulence surrounding the galaxy and search for life in other cornors of the universe, but they were never given a chance. Palpatine's agents intercepted and destroyed it.

-SW Essential Guide Chronology Pg.23 Right of the picture of Qui-Gon Jinn

And Thrawn did ambush them.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-02 08:28pm

I still think it's an astronav problem. Why did the Vong HAVE to enter the Galaxy at Helska?

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-02 09:11pm

There is an infinite amount of stories to tell in the GFFA. Likely,huge, epic galaxy-affecting tales like those of the NR and YV will be set aside for more personal tales, set amongst already-written events and published at a less prolific rate. Take any battle, any event, any character--theres a thousand great stories to mine from a single occurance in the history of the GFFA. Theres an entire universe created--theres no need to keep to the stories and characters that "changed the universe". Its a natural inclination to do so, because the characters of the movies are the ones at the centre of the galaxy basically and those are the ones the fans want to read about, but once all of the possible different variatiations of adventures has been exploited and once all of the different galaxy-defining epics have been told, i think its time to really delve into the depths of what the GFFA offers.

Stories that arent necessarily "star wars"-ish (i.e. giant lightsaber battles and exploding planets)--great drama is offered from everything from simple farmlife on tatooine to the gritty streetlife on coruscants depths. This kinda stuff is always sorta going on in the background of the "big", "epic" stories but never explored in any meaningful or interesting manner. The stories in the "Tales of" series were kinda along this style and among some of the more compelling and strangely realistic EU stuff written (their short length was either a blessing or a curse, depending on the quality of the author).

However this is unlikely to happen for a variety of reasons. One is that people will always want to read about Luke and co.--eventually the older readers will tire of the contrived plots the authors are forced to churn out or repeat (and in a catch-22, dont care for the newly introduced characters, however that is mainly due to poor writing of the EU authors), but theres always a new stream of eager readers ready to experience NR and NJO for the first time. This is also the type of stuff that the public expects, demands and is willing to pay for and LFL has been anything but edgy. And probably most importantly, the astoundingly poor quality of EU literature is guaranteed to ensure that only the lamest stories that have been tried and tested dozens of times see publication. I think once Episode III sets the final pieces of history in stone, we'll see lots of stuff pre-OT that was previously off-limits due to the intrusion into the prequel canon. Pre-PT stuff is also likely to surface in large amounts (Jedi-Sith wars and such).

In short, the EU will remain as it always has but around 2010 or so, when the explosive public fascination with the series is over, done and mostly forgotten, there will probably a noticable cut-down in quantity--whether or not this increases quality i have no idea (and wouldnt count on it).

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-02 09:24pm

In short, the EU will remain as it always has but around 2010 or so, when the explosive public fascination with the series is over, done and mostly forgotten, there will probably a noticable cut-down in quantity

But are we ok with that? How will that affect the way the current fans are? Will we still be loyal fans or will we give most of it up and go on with something else? I personally will not stop loving Star Wars and i think it is going to be a happy but sad sad day when Episode III comes out. it marks the end of a saga which so many people love. As for the EU it will alweays be around strong or not.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-02 10:11pm

The EU has survived by the fans for over 20 years, with and without new films and a strong public interest. Once Episode III is released, the public popularity of Star Wars will wind down again but the fans will keep EU alive and well--just not as frequently produced as it is now at the series' peak of popularity.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-03 02:38am

RogueIce wrote:Is there actually a hyperspaced barrier (IOW, they actually tried it sometime) or is it just some religious superstition or whatnot like Saxton theorized?

According to Vector Prime, yes there is. This (as well as Star Trek's galactic barrier) are issues that will play an integral role in my Trek/Wars crossover, 'The Best of Both Worlds'.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-03 02:42am

Lazy Raptor wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:so how was the "outbound flight project" going to happen. the project included jedi who were going to try and break through the barrier. would they be able to do it then. so what if luke or lea help them.
My knowledge of the Outbound Flight Project is sketchy. I thought they were exploring the Unknown Regions (effectively outside the Galaxy proper from the Republic's view) didn't Thrawn ambush them? Wasn't he in charge of the fleet group in that region?

Yes, Thrawn was in charge of that region; further details of the attack are to be found in 'Vision of the Future' as well as two of Timothy Z's upcoming books, one of which will be pre-NJO I believe, and the other being Prquel-era.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-01-03 02:44am

LOL...a Galactic barrier...forgot about that.

Too bad AOTC had something else to comment about that thought.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-03 02:47am

It doesn't exist.

Darkspace is canonically the same thing as hyperspace.

Not to mention the existance of colonies in satellite galaxies which aren't causing enormous tidal disruptions of the of galactic disk necessitates passages beyond the main galactic rim. Nevermind that both the Sith Empire and Unknown Regions have astrophysical concerns that prevent them from occupying fast internal stretches of the primary galactic disk.

If it does exist outside of politicans' beliefs, I'd like to see if mentioned.

This shares a lot with other GFFA pseudoscience, such as the bullshit "dark matter" galaxy colliding with the primary, creating the Unknown Regions with NO tidal effects at all.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2004-01-03 03:06am

JME2 wrote:
RogueIce wrote:Is there actually a hyperspaced barrier (IOW, they actually tried it sometime) or is it just some religious superstition or whatnot like Saxton theorized?
According to Vector Prime, yes there is. This (as well as Star Trek's galactic barrier) are issues that will play an integral role in my Trek/Wars crossover, 'The Best of Both Worlds'.

I know they mentioned one in Vector Prime...what I asked was, is it real or superstition?

Anyway, thanks for the info on it IP. Where'd that "Darkspace" come from? I don't recall it being mentioned (of course, I haven't read a lot of the NJO).

GR: What did AotC say about it? Those two smaller galaxies you mean?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2004-01-03 03:23am

If you stick to the same few characters, you're going to run out of ideas for novels and get stuck with making up the threat to the New Republic of the week, but if you introduce completely new main characters, it might not seem like Star Wars to readers. But, I'd say there's still a lot of potential ideas for novels. You have a whole time period before the prequels to write about, for example. I'm sure the concept of EU novels will pull through for a few more years.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-01-03 05:41am

Well, what about my idea about telling the story of the Clone Wars from a "third party"?

It doesn't seem like anyone have done this yet.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2004-01-03 07:48am

I think it would be intresting if they could write books that takes place in the first couple of hundred years of the Old Republic, when hyperdrive is still a new invention. But that has, of course, the potential of becoming Star Trek in a Star Wars-ish universe...

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2004-01-03 01:45pm

RogueIce wrote:Anyway, thanks for the info on it IP. Where'd that "Darkspace" come from? I don't recall it being mentioned (of course, I haven't read a lot of the NJO).

Darkspace is the YV designation for hyperspace.