A 9-11 Widow's unanswered questions...

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-03 12:29pm

What are the figures, if any, on the American population and Pearl Harbor?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-01-03 02:07pm

The single biggest thing that destroys all conspiracy theorists theories is the fact that if these conspiracies were true, we would be hearing information from them ALL OF THE TIME. When two people know something, it is no longer a secret. How the fuck are a thousand people going to be able to keep a secret?

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-01-03 03:54pm

I'm glad I was just the first and not the only one who found this stuff ridiculous.

What are people saying Bush's reaction was? I mean, someone says "A plane hit the WTC" then you assume it was a small plane and you really can't do anything.

When they told him a second plane hit, he got the heck out of dodge.

p.s. GOD, I just watched that flash show, its catchy music and sketchy theories. I can't believe I wasted bandwidth on that.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-03 03:56pm

The Kernel wrote:I really don't see why you are knocking Blkbrry for bringing this to our attention, even if most of it is wrong. It's a valid news item and there are a few worthwhile points in there (strangely, they have left out much more critical evidence such as the FBI report about the aviation students and such) and Blkbrry simply said "Many interesting questions and points" which isn't a ringing endosrement of the validity of the material.

He doesn't have the most glowing history of having intelligent political views.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-01-03 04:08pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I'm glad I was just the first and not the only one who found this stuff ridiculous.

What are people saying Bush's reaction was? I mean, someone says "A plane hit the WTC" then you assume it was a small plane and you really can't do anything.

When they told him a second plane hit, he got the heck out of dodge.

p.s. GOD, I just watched that flash show, its catchy music and sketchy theories. I can't believe I wasted bandwidth on that.

They wanted him to freak out in front of a bunch of children. I personally feel he handled the situation rather well, that is assuming of course that he was told of WTC at that moment. There are literally millions of other things he could have been told.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-01-03 04:14pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
The WTC towers weren't reinforced with six inches of steel plate on each wall, giving about 3 feet of solid steel to absorb the impact.

Not quite, the walls of the Pentagon are two feet thick and made of concrete, the protection upgrade that had just been finished was suppose to involve attacking a framework of steel I beams behind that, which is a very common method of reinforcing the protection of masonry or concrete buildings. Though the Pentagon was already designed to hold up to heavy aerial bombing and heavy artillery fire.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2004-01-03 04:38pm

So Sea Skimmer, are you claiming by analogy, that my 92 VW GTI, (Civilian transport) can't take the punishment that an APC, (Armored transport) can?

I think you might be one of those in on the plot!

These people probably think the White house uses conventional double pane window glass.(commercial storm windows)

Imagine that, a top secret, strategic planning center being armored.

Pentagon, NSA headquarters, CIA headquarters. White house.
My tool shed is every bit as tough as a bunker.

NOT!

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-01-03 04:50pm

The Powerpuff Girls demolished the trade center, and I have the powerpoint presentations to prove it

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-01-03 06:57pm

dammit I thought that the whole thing was arranged by Tom Clancy's agent to promote book sales, and so that Jack Ryan could have new enemies to kick the ass of....

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-01-03 07:53pm

Hamel wrote:The Powerpuff Girls demolished the trade center, and I have the powerpoint presentations to prove it

So, that would be Powerpuff Powerpoint?

ZING!

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-01-03 07:54pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:dammit I thought that the whole thing was arranged by Tom Clancy's agent to promote book sales, and so that Jack Ryan could have new enemies to kick the ass of....

Not gonna happen. His wife is sucking him dry and the Jack Ryan series is technicaly over. His newest book follows Jack Jr. and besides this kid (now an adult) there are no other characters from the past books in this.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2004-01-03 09:57pm

The Powerpuff Girls demolished the trade center, and I have the powerpoint presentations to prove it

fuck i thought it was the teen titans kicking the ass of Saddam Hussein up on the tower.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-03 10:29pm

Alyeska wrote:Not gonna happen. His wife is sucking him dry and the Jack Ryan series is technicaly over. His newest book follows Jack Jr. and besides this kid (now an adult) there are no other characters from the past books in this.

I'd prefer if that hack didn't write any books any more. Thousands of years from now, future civilizations are going to look upon his later works as the sorry, decrepit zenith of American technothriller writing, brought on by an excessive dose of masturbating-over-superpower-status hubris.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-01-03 11:24pm

Vympel wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Not gonna happen. His wife is sucking him dry and the Jack Ryan series is technicaly over. His newest book follows Jack Jr. and besides this kid (now an adult) there are no other characters from the past books in this.
I'd prefer if that hack didn't write any books any more. Thousands of years from now, future civilizations are going to look upon his later works as the sorry, decrepit zenith of American technothriller writing, brought on by an excessive dose of masturbating-over-superpower-status hubris.

And yet this ignores the fact that Red Rabbit and Rainbow 6 were among his best books. Clancy's downfall was when he got to heavily into politics. However, when he writes about things lower down the chain the stories are much better and there isn't the "uber wanking" that people accuse him.

Funny thing though. Much of the arguments used against Clancy can also be used against Bush. After all, the real USA is kicking ass and taking names world wide. Another funny thing. For a super power of such magnitude like people keep complaining about in Clancy books, the US sure has had its share of hurts. Lets see. That USA had a nuclear weapon detonated in Denver, much of the Federal Government was wiped out by a plane crash into the Capitol Building, Ebola was released onto the public, and September 11th still happened. Not only that but Alqueda is still opperating in the US as late as 2007 and China fired a nuclear weapon on the US.

Clancy sure did let the US slide easy didn't he...

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-01-04 02:28am

What would have been accomplished by destroying the WTCs that couldn't have been accomplished in a less bloody way?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-04 03:25am

Alyeska wrote:
And yet this ignores the fact that Red Rabbit and Rainbow 6 were among his best books. Clancy's downfall was when he got to heavily into politics. However, when he writes about things lower down the chain the stories are much better and there isn't the "uber wanking" that people accuse him.

Funny thing though. Much of the arguments used against Clancy can also be used against Bush. After all, the real USA is kicking ass and taking names world wide. Another funny thing. For a super power of such magnitude like people keep complaining about in Clancy books, the US sure has had its share of hurts. Lets see. That USA had a nuclear weapon detonated in Denver, much of the Federal Government was wiped out by a plane crash into the Capitol Building, Ebola was released onto the public, and September 11th still happened. Not only that but Alqueda is still opperating in the US as late as 2007 and China fired a nuclear weapon on the US.

Clancy sure did let the US slide easy didn't he...

That's all he ever fucking has happen to the USA lately, *that's* the problem. Invisible, dastardly, cowardly attacks by mysterious terrorists, who are then righteously destroyed by the mighty US military/ spec ops/ spies or whatever, after much intrigue and hand-wringing. It's boring as hell. He's a repetitious boring hack, with no imagination and no balls to move outside of his pet area for more than 2 damn seconds.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-04 03:42am

Alyeska wrote:Clancy sure did let the US slide easy didn't he...

Actually, he did. In his novels, the US always gets attacked pre-emptively and in an extremely bloody way, and then they always retaliate in a very righteous, morally correct way (with lots of auto-fellatio about the weapons used in this process) against the dastardly evildoers. Everything is clean, simple, and devoid of moral ambiguity in that world.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-01-04 03:54pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:This thread should be subtitled: Or Blkbrry Exposes His Stupidity.

I never said that that every point is a valid one asshole.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:He doesn't have the most glowing history of having intelligent political views.

Then how about debating me instead of sniping at me from the sidelines you fucking weasel.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-01-04 04:20pm

Darth Wong wrote:Actually, he did. In his novels, the US always gets attacked pre-emptively and in an extremely bloody way, and then they always retaliate in a very righteous, morally correct way (with lots of auto-fellatio about the weapons used in this process) against the dastardly evildoers. Everything is clean, simple, and devoid of moral ambiguity in that world.

Auto-fellatio, for folks who really love their cars!

ZING!

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-01-04 04:27pm

Speaking of Auto-fellatio, has anyone actually pulled that off. I heard it was physiologically impossible and that the whole things is nothing but an "urban legand" but maybe theres a contortionist out there who pulled it off. Anyone know?

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-01-04 05:18pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:Speaking of Auto-fellatio, has anyone actually pulled that off. I heard it was physiologically impossible and that the whole things is nothing but an "urban legand" but maybe theres a contortionist out there who pulled it off. Anyone know?

Lots of guys have. I even knew one of them.
The real question is, do they swallow?

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-01-04 05:21pm

I heard Marilyn Manson cut off some of his ribs so he could suck his peener

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-04 05:28pm

Hamel wrote:I heard Marilyn Manson cut off some of his ribs so he could suck his peener

That's entirely fictional.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-01-04 05:28pm

Hamel wrote:I heard Marilyn Manson cut off some of his ribs so he could suck his peener

That is an urban legend. Probably started by Manson himself, too.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-01-04 06:06pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:This thread should be subtitled: Or Blkbrry Exposes His Stupidity.
I never said that that every point is a valid one asshole.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:He doesn't have the most glowing history of having intelligent political views.
Then how about debating me instead of sniping at me from the sidelines you fucking weasel.

There is no fucking point debating you because the entire collection of questions you linked to is nothing more then conspiracy bullshit. Its like trying to debate with people who think the Apollo program was faked.