End of the line for the SW books

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-03 03:31pm

Not only do you have satellite galaxies which are shown very close to main disk for convienence in AOTC but are actually far more distant due to a lack of tidal distortions on the main disk, but hyperspace travel is not a medium, it turns your ship into a bunch of tachyons. Because of this, its quite impossible for there to be a "barrier" which blocks it.

This hyperdrive theory is canonical via ICS2. Ergo, the barrier is a myth.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-01-03 06:00pm

Not possible. There is a hyperspace anamoly that surrounds the Galaxy which prevents extragalactic travel. However the Vong did it, it was beyond conventional hyperdrive tech. They would have to figure out how the Vong did it first, and seeing as how they lump their science into religious "Cortexes" I doubt they even know.

Pardon me for being skeptical, but isn't travel to other galaxies in SW commonplace?

Kamino is supposedly outside the galaxy proper, and then we have the two "satellite galaxies" in AOTC, and the INTERGalactic Banking Clan (how do they maintain that title if they are restricted to one galaxy only?).

It sounds to me like either this "Great Barrier" (cough, Star Trek, cough) is either a myth, or a very recent phenomena in SW (ie: freak occurance that happened sometime after the prequel era).

Finally I would point out that scene at the end of ESB, but pretty much everyone who's studied it agrees that it can't possibly be a galaxy, but rather a nebula. So forget that one... but the others seem to strongly indicate that leaving the SW galaxy isn't so amazing.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-01-03 06:09pm

Not to mention any barrier would have to also stop light from traveling from the other galaxies, since they can still be observed.

Heck, there's no "Great Barrier" around our own galaxy... we can still observe other galaxies using our primitive 21st century telescopes.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-03 06:09pm

Kurgan wrote:Pardon me for being skeptical, but isn't travel to other galaxies in SW commonplace?

Kamino is supposedly outside the galaxy proper, and then we have the two "satellite galaxies" in AOTC, and the INTERGalactic Banking Clan (how do they maintain that title if they are restricted to one galaxy only?).

It sounds to me like either this "Great Barrier" (cough, Star Trek, cough) is either a myth, or a very recent phenomena in SW (ie: freak occurance that happened sometime after the prequel era).

Finally I would point out that scene at the end of ESB, but pretty much everyone who's studied it agrees that it can't possibly be a galaxy, but rather a nebula. So forget that one... but the others seem to strongly indicate that leaving the SW galaxy isn't so amazing.

I already corrected that statement. The galactic barrier is NOT impenatrable. It is just very very difficult to find a clear path through. And as far as intergalactic travel in Star Wars is concerned, if you don't count the sattelite galaxies, it is COMPLETELY unprecedented (that is, until the Vong invasion). Virtually every non-Vong world mentioned throughout Star Wars is from the Galaxy or one of the sattelite galaxies. So no, it's hardly commonplace.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-03 06:12pm

Kurgan wrote:Not to mention any barrier would have to also stop light from traveling from the other galaxies, since they can still be observed.

Heck, there's no "Great Barrier" around our own galaxy... we can still observe other galaxies using our primitive 21st century telescopes.

It takes a black hole or something similarly dense to stop light. Something as small as a moon can create a mass shadow in hyperspace which renders transit impossible.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-03 06:30pm

Pardon me for being skeptical, but isn't travel to other galaxies in SW commonplace?

Kamino is supposedly outside the galaxy proper, and then we have the two "satellite galaxies" in AOTC, and the INTERGalactic Banking Clan (how do they maintain that title if they are restricted to one galaxy only?).

1. Kamino is not outside of the SW galaxy. It is very close to the edge though.

2. It is possible that the Jedi simply charted the 2 other galaxies but did not have any colonies in them.

3. As for the IG Banking Clan, they simply overstated their title.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-03 06:34pm

Kind of like how we have a Miss "Universe" pageant in which only one planet is represented?

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-03 06:42pm

Yep. To see a map of the SW galaxy go here. It is my site http://www.geocities.com/jstreeg/Pics5.html

You will have to copy it to paint or something else so you can zoom. But it does not have Kamino but it should be somewhere to the upper left

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-01-03 10:50pm

Here and I was hoping that canon could finally expunge the YV from existence... ah well. ; )

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-03 10:55pm

Kurgan wrote:Here and I was hoping that canon could finally expunge the YV from existence... ah well. ; )

I know. I miss Coruscant too...

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-04 12:23am

So i wonder what would be the new capital planet if the YV are defeated and driven from Coruscant. That poor planet has gone thorugh so much, the sith invading, the Empire, the rebels taking it, the empire taking it back, the rebeles taking it back again, the YV, and if the rebels try and take it again, my god.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-04 02:04am

The Vong are defeated, they have no capitol. They now reside on Zonama Sekot, but it's more of a reservation than it is a capitol.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-04 02:08am

No I meant the new capital of the NR or the Galactic Alliance. But what will happen now that they are defeated?

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-04 02:13am

The New Republic moved its provisional capitol to Mon Calamari, I haven't finished the NJO but I've heard the Galactic Alliance established a capitol elswhere. They're trying to convert Yuuzhan'tar back into the Coruscant we know and love, but it's going to take a very long time.

Imperial City wasn't built in a day.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-04 02:49am

The New Republic moved its provisional capitol to Mon Calamari

Figures that they would go there, one of my most hated Rebel places.(but I do like Mon Cal cruisers)

They're trying to convert Yuuzhan'tar back into the Coruscant we know and love, but it's going to take a very long time.

Good luck. That would be nice but it would also be nice if Coruscant could go some years without someone trying to take it.

Imperial City wasn't built in a day.

True. It was built in 25,000 years

Darth Mall · Post by **Darth Mall** » 2004-01-05 09:13am

In Unifying Force we found out what planet that the GFFA moves to but I don't have my book with me so I'll check when I get home. But it was some world near the core IIRC.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-01-05 12:34pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:. Nevermind that both the Sith Empire and Unknown Regions have astrophysical concerns that prevent them from occupying fast internal stretches of the primary galactic disk.

Er, what? We know that the Sith Empire was on the main disc, Ziost and Korriban are there. It was just on the opposite side from where most hyperdrive travel was then. THe Hydian way or Perelman (which ever) wasn't blazed through former Sith Territory until after the war, and so hyperdrive travel was mainly between the two corellian trade lines.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-01-05 12:34pm

Darth Mall wrote:In Unifying Force we found out what planet that the GFFA moves to but I don't have my book with me so I'll check when I get home. But it was some world near the core IIRC.

Denon

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-05 08:00pm

Ender wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:. Nevermind that both the Sith Empire and Unknown Regions have astrophysical concerns that prevent them from occupying fast internal stretches of the primary galactic disk.
Er, what? We know that the Sith Empire was on the main disc, Ziost and Korriban are there. It was just on the opposite side from where most hyperdrive travel was then. THe Hydian way or Perelman (which ever) wasn't blazed through former Sith Territory until after the war, and so hyperdrive travel was mainly between the two corellian trade lines.

Ziost and Korriban are on the abandoned outer fringes which are very ignored. They were 4,000 years befre Yavin (KoToR) and are as of Yavin.

The Unknown Regions are, according to Galaxy Guide, a general term for any mostly ignored, poorly mapped, or uncharted area of space.

Quite frankly, considering that space colonization is a geometrically spreading process, and evidence of vast space civilizations pre-Republic, pre-Republic FTL, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of years of space travel, I don't think the Sith Empire could've hid vast swathes of territory totally without knowledge of the Republic for 20,000 years. I'd imagine most of their holdings were in satellites, the fringes of the disk and bulge, the globular clusters, etc. Just like the UR, due to the nature and patterns of space travel in the GFFA, it makes no sense for vast swathes of the galaxy to be somehow hidden or unexplored. Lots hasn't be used for anything, but it won't be all bunched up in one region. Likewise, the Republic or the galactic civilization/community should spread more or less throughout the disk from its inception.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-01-06 03:52am

Additional novels should occur either between trilogies or long before the prequel trilogy. There's literally thousands of years and a galaxy of ideas to explore. If they can't come up with something then I weep for humanity.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-06 08:48am

True, who knows, mabye the Empire begins massive rearmament

of their ships and launch an attack while the former NR does not expect it and this time the Empire actually wins.(one could only hope)

But there is 25 thousand years of life in the SW galaxy, one good new idea should come from that. And a question, why does evrybody dislike KJA so much?

AdmiralTDM · Post by **AdmiralTDM** » 2004-01-06 08:55am

Im hoping they continue with books kinda like Tatooine Ghost and such. Maybe that could fill us in on all sorts of lost adventures, prehaps without Han, Leia, Lukethepuke, and company. Maybe some badass space pirate and Merc tales or somthing. And then also have a continueing series which goes on after the YV wars.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-01-06 10:07am

Techno_Union wrote:True, who knows, mabye the Empire begins massive rearmament of their ships and launch an attack while the former NR does not expect it and this time the Empire actually wins.(one could only hope) But there is 25 thousand years of life in the SW galaxy, one good new idea should come from that. And a question, why does evrybody dislike KJA so much?

1. The Empire re-arming is a tired and dumb concept.
2. Because KJA sucks.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-06 11:07am

Techno_Union wrote:True, who knows, mabye the Empire begins massive rearmament of their ships and launch an attack while the former NR does not expect it and this time the Empire actually wins.(one could only hope) But there is 25 thousand years of life in the SW galaxy, one good new idea should come from that. And a question, why does evrybody dislike KJA so much?

No, no, no. No more Imperial comebacks! KJA and practically every pre-NJO (Timothy Zhan excluded; he's the master so I'll ignore that) did that to death! Argh!

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-01-06 04:43pm

IIRC KJA can't write anymore SW books. He's cout of contract with Lucas Books and he's been signed up to rape, um i mean write the Dune Universe.

I've said it before and i'll repeat it here, I want a novelisation of the great Sith Wars. I want to read about the rise and fall of Exar Kun. I want to read about the Mandelorian Wars. Most importantly i'd love to read a story about how the Jedi Order was founded.

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End of the line for the SW books

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