The CIA says Bin Laden is still alive

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-05 08:05pm

According to the CIA, Osama's voice on a recently released audio tape is authentic, and refers to Saddam's capture. Click here for more (oddly enough, this story was invisible on the www.cnn.com main page

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Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-01-05 09:17pm

I heard it today,if Saddam was found long after they reported him dead maybe Ossama is still alive somewhere,anyway the terrorist Carlos evaded capture for more than 20 years so OBL can do the same.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-05 09:23pm

Whatever he is, right now he's been reduced to releasing increasingly pathetic calls to Jihad every month or so and being on the run most likely pretty often. It may be better for him to be alive and absolutely pathetic than dead and a martyr.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-01-05 09:24pm

Practically, it doesn't matter. However, it's still a nasty black eye for Bush, if it ever gets out into the mainstream.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-01-05 09:28pm

bin Laden must be in Syria or Jordan. There's no way he's hiding in a cave somewhere if the stories about needing dialysis are true.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-01-05 09:33pm

Notice how conservatives and liberventionists portrayed Saddam as an ominous threat and now say Bin Laden is an insect when it is pointed out that he's alive. You gotta love the absolute bullshit.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-01-05 09:34pm

Can't that bastard even die right?!

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-05 09:35pm

He is an insignificant insect, regardless of what Saddam was.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-01-05 09:40pm

Joe wrote:He is an insignificant insect, regardless of what Saddam was.

He was quite the hot shit in '01. Funny how he isn't now, even with his Taliban buddies still having a ball in Afghanistan.

Saddam has been an insect since, well, Desert Storm.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-01-05 09:41pm

Joe wrote:He is an insignificant insect, regardless of what Saddam was.

That's the Bush party line until they find him and kill him then it will be "GREATEST VICTORY EVER"

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-01-05 09:43pm

Joe wrote:He is an insignificant insect, regardless of what Saddam was.

I bet you will be dancing and talking about how great and significant a victory it will be if he ever gets caught or killed. Don't play the old sour grapes line, everyone knows how much he'll be trotted around if he ever gets caught.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-05 09:44pm

Hamel wrote:
Joe wrote:He is an insignificant insect, regardless of what Saddam was.
He was quite the hot shit in '01. Funny how he isn't now, even with his Taliban buddies still having a ball in Afghanistan.

Saddam has been an insect since, well, Desert Storm.

He [OBL] was then, he isn't now. Agendas change. All he can do is release shitty tapes filled with standard Islamist bullshit; what's the big difference to be had whether he gets caught or not?

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-01-05 09:57pm

Joe:

OBL is responsible for destroying the WTC, hitting the Pentagon with a passenger plane, and killing 3000 americans in several moments - Of course he's significant enough that the US must find him ASAP!!! The US can't let someone like that go into semi-retirement as a terrorist just because they're not involved in the logistical/operational side of terrorism anymore.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-05 10:01pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:
Joe wrote:He is an insignificant insect, regardless of what Saddam was.
I bet you will be dancing and talking about how great and significant a victory it will be if he ever gets caught or killed. Don't play the old sour grapes line, everyone knows how much he'll be trotted around if he ever gets caught.

That's wonderful, whatever gets you through the night (and way to stick it to the Bushleaguer!), but he's still an insignificant insect regardless of the fact that the Bushies will act otherwise in the event of his capture.

Not that I wouldn't be happy if he was caught, just that it matters little. If he's in Syria, he can't do shit or little Assad will boot him out; if he's on the run, even better, he won't live forever.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-05 10:05pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:Joe:

OBL is responsible for destroying the WTC, hitting the Pentagon with a passenger plane, and killing 3000 americans in several moments - Of course he's significant enough that the US must find him ASAP!!! The US can't let someone like that go into semi-retirement as a terrorist just because they're not involved in the logistical/operational side of terrorism anymore.

Did I say that we should just let him go? I do think that we should try and find him to the best of our ability (gigantic armies aren't much use for international manhunts, unfortunately) so he can be punished for his crimes - just that he's no longer a threat of any significance.

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-01-05 10:13pm

Joe wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:Joe:

OBL is responsible for destroying the WTC, hitting the Pentagon with a passenger plane, and killing 3000 americans in several moments - Of course he's significant enough that the US must find him ASAP!!! The US can't let someone like that go into semi-retirement as a terrorist just because they're not involved in the logistical/operational side of terrorism anymore.
Did I say that we should just let him go? I do think that we should try and find him to the best of our ability (gigantic armies aren't much use for international manhunts, unfortunately) so he can be punished for his crimes - just that he's no longer a threat of any significance.

I can see the validity of what you're saying from a law enforcement standpoint because in the short term, resources and personnel used to find Bin Laden could be better used and would probably save lives that are in more immediate risk from active terrorists who are planning attacks, but from a political standpoint, every day that Bin Laden stays free shows the impotence of the Great Satan that is the US in defeating holy warriors that can bloody the US and kill its infidels. If the US is shown to be impotent at dealing with those holy warriors, the US will have to deal with increasing and more daring attacks in the long run.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-01-05 10:13pm

Joe wrote:That's wonderful, whatever gets you through the night (and way to stick it to the Bushleaguer!), but he's still an insignificant insect regardless of the fact that the Bushies will act otherwise in the event of his capture.

Not that I wouldn't be happy if he was caught, just that it matters little. If he's in Syria, he can't do shit or little Assad will boot him out; if he's on the run, even better, he won't live forever.

That's right, stick to your story. You and I both know you and yours will act if he gets caught. It doesn't matter, since he's not exactly in good health, but I've seen sour grapes acts and yours is classic.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-05 10:25pm

That's right, stick to your story. You and I both know you and yours will act if he gets caught. It doesn't matter, since he's not exactly in good health, but I've seen sour grapes acts and yours is classic.

Again, whatever gets you through the night. I'm just glad you aren't bitching about what a giant failure the WoT is simply because we haven't got bin Laden.

I can see the validity of what you're saying from a law enforcement standpoint because in the short term, resources and personnel used to find Bin Laden could be better used and would probably save lives that are in more immediate risk from active terrorists who are planning attacks, but from a political standpoint, every day that Bin Laden stays free shows the impotence of the Great Satan that is the US in defeating holy warriors that can bloody the US and kill its infidels. If the US is shown to be impotent at dealing with those holy warriors, the US will have to deal with increasing and more daring attacks in the long run.

Not really. If we could reduce every major terrorist in the world to what bin Laden is now that would certainly not be a sign of impotency.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-05 10:28pm

This is like saying that it's okay that we don't have a serial killer in custody because as long as we're looking for him it will probably be too hard for him to kill again.

What about Justice?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-01-05 10:33pm

OBL is dismissed because the Americans would have to have concentrated on Al Qaeda to have caught him. The ridiculous 'He's not important' claims are simply there because they recignize they've made it impossible to chase him for a nice long time.

It's politics.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-05 10:34pm

Raptor:

JOE (that's me) wrote:Did I say that we should just let him go? I do think that we should try and find him to the best of our ability (gigantic armies aren't much use for international manhunts, unfortunately) so he can be punished for his crimes - just that he's no longer a threat of any significance.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-05 10:35pm

SirNitram wrote:OBL is dismissed because the Americans would have to have concentrated on Al Qaeda to have caught him. The ridiculous 'He's not important' claims are simply there because they recignize they've made it impossible to chase him for a nice long time.

It's politics.

Yes, specks of dust are often difficult to chase and grab hold of.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-01-05 10:38pm

Joe wrote:
SirNitram wrote:OBL is dismissed because the Americans would have to have concentrated on Al Qaeda to have caught him. The ridiculous 'He's not important' claims are simply there because they recignize they've made it impossible to chase him for a nice long time.

It's politics.
Yes, specks of dust are often difficult to chase and grab hold of.

Ah yes, the magical TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS program and PATRIOT ACT OF JUSTICE will defend you from any more nasty terrorists. You're in denial or being fed nonsense by those in denial. Please bugger off.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-05 10:41pm

SirNitram wrote:Ah yes, the magical TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS program and PATRIOT ACT OF JUSTICE will defend you from any more nasty terrorists. You're in denial or being fed nonsense by those in denial. Please bugger off.

Right, shithead.

Which is why Durran brought up the helpfulness of Information Awareness and PATRIOT. They're total red herrings to the subject.

You made Appeals to Motive against Joe's argument and failed to substanciate the simple fact that OBL IS a necessity in fighting terror, whereas Joe simply said he was not.

You're just a dumbfuck. Do those hasty generalizations come naturally or do you apply them to make it easier for your noodle to process?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-01-05 10:45pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:You're just a dumbfuck. Do those hasty generalizations come naturally or do you apply them to make it easier for your noodle to process?

You're a gullible little moron. Why should we assume OBL is not a threat? People say this without anything to back it up, and you claim I'm the one distributing fallacies?

Oh yes, I'm calling an appeal to motive on Joe. Not quite, though I'm sure it would make you happy. I'm pointing out the likely reason why someone would suddenly say this.. But it has to be against Joe, for you to claim it's nonsense.

But please. Go ahead. Continue to screech that I'm wrong and you're right. If you have some, oh, proof that OBL is now powerless, it'd be grand to see it.