Set your calanders for Nov 4th.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-06 10:02pm

I guess as the artist he's entitled to though. Unfortunate.

In fact a recent news article that appeared on TF.N today stated that in a recent interview he hinted that additional work had been done. I think this is in reference to cleaning up some lightsaber effects that were never completed, even for the special editions.

Word is that the extras will follow the same format as the Indy set--adequet and of the highest quality, but a little lacking in quantity. In any case, this set is really just an "early" release due to fan demand--Lucas has repeatedly stated that he wants to do the DVD set to end all DVD sets but only after Episode III is released, so that he can be completely and intimatly involved and push the boundaries of DVD (fans have dubbed this the "Ultimate Edition", with vague hints of additional scenes that exist mostly as fanboy wishes).

I'll be happy enough with a bare bones SE-version.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-06 10:17pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

TF.net is run by morons. He's repetatively CALLED the SEs the "way he originally intended," so that's almost certainly what he means.

Under a month ago, he answered to a pointed and direct question that it is the SEs that are on DVD, not some Ultimate Edition wankjob.

Quite frankly anything turned out by those cuntheads should be taken with a few solar masses of sodium chloride.

I'll believe it when I see it.

ROFLMAO- *scribbles down "cunthead" into his flamewar repository*.

But dammit- I don't want extra scenes- I want the theatrical and SE release, some nice original commentary, and for them to finally fucking fix those crappy lightsabre effects in ANH- especially that scene where Obi-Wan's turns into a stick. How the fuck could they let that slide?!

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-06 10:34pm

zombie84 wrote:Word is that the extras will follow the same format as the Indy set--adequet and of the highest quality, but a little lacking in quantity. In any case, this set is really just an "early" release due to fan demand--Lucas has repeatedly stated that he wants to do the DVD set to end all DVD sets but only after Episode III is released, so that he can be completely and intimatly involved and push the boundaries of DVD (fans have dubbed this the "Ultimate Edition", with vague hints of additional scenes that exist mostly as fanboy wishes).

I'll be happy enough with a bare bones SE-version.

Prove it!

*falls of his chair, foaming*

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-06 10:35pm

Darth Wong wrote:This is why I refer to the SEs as "historical revisionism", folks. It's not the fact that he made new versions of his films, but the fact that he claims this was his "vision" from the beginning (*coughbullshitcough*) and the fact that he is trying his damndest to pretend the original versions never existed at all.

Is that your Suspension of Disbelief interpretation, or must we pretend that all we ever had were the SEs?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-06 10:39pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Is that your Suspension of Disbelief interpretation, or must we pretend that all we ever had were the SEs?

That's Mike's suspension of disbelief interpretation- IIRC, Mike draws the justification for that from the obvious tampering/fakery of the SE's- especially Greedo shooting first- essentially, the documentary footage has been tampered with.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-01-06 10:54pm

Vympel wrote:
phongn wrote:Hrm. Well, if someone had a DVD-9 burner and access to the LD, they could make a composite with the best of each feature whilst still keeping the quality.
But it's just not the same ....

No, it's better. The most satisfying meal is the one you cook yourself, after all.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-06 11:13pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
zombie84 wrote:Word is that the extras will follow the same format as the Indy set--adequet and of the highest quality, but a little lacking in quantity. In any case, this set is really just an "early" release due to fan demand--Lucas has repeatedly stated that he wants to do the DVD set to end all DVD sets but only after Episode III is released, so that he can be completely and intimatly involved and push the boundaries of DVD (fans have dubbed this the "Ultimate Edition", with vague hints of additional scenes that exist mostly as fanboy wishes).

I'll be happy enough with a bare bones SE-version.
Prove it!

*falls of his chair, foaming*

well, regarding the extras on this release, they are just rumors to be sure, but they make sense to me. Van Ling produced the Indy DVD as well as the Prequel DVD's, and LFL is reportedly very happy with the Indy set and it would seem that given the parellels between the two series that SW would be packaged in a similar fashion. Though if this is true it would mean interviews with cast and crew...not sure if theres been any word on that yet. For all we know we may very well get a barebones release.

As for the "ultimate edition", that is something that Lucas has been very public about--in fact he was originally going to hold off all 6 films on DVD until 2006 when they would all be released in a giant extra-packed set. Lucas even speculated about giving multiple versions of each movie and contemplated an all-bluescreen version of TPM (this was at the time of TPM's release in theatres). Public pressure lead to the prequels on DVD of course, and the same has happened to the OT now, but it is almost guaranteed that he'll go ahead with his giant "archival", "ultimate", "final", whatever you want to call it, edition.

The rumors of additional scenes are basically fanboy wishes, although they are based off comments Lucas has given where he has stated he'd like to fix a few thing when all the films are done. who knows what that entails though.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-06 11:16pm

zombie84 wrote:As for the "ultimate edition", that is something that Lucas has been very public about--in fact he was originally going to hold off all 6 films on DVD until 2006 when they would all be released in a giant extra-packed set. Lucas even speculated about giving multiple versions of each movie and contemplated an all-bluescreen version of TPM (this was at the time of TPM's release in theatres). Public pressure lead to the prequels on DVD of course, and the same has happened to the OT now, but it is almost guaranteed that he'll go ahead with his giant "archival", "ultimate", "final", whatever you want to call it, edition.

Funny, no one has ever been able to substanciate quotes for him being all public about it for a long time.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-07 12:50am

around the time of TPM's release, when interviews with him were plentiful and he was hounded by questions of every sort, he was very much. The biggest question was "why isnt star wars on DVD?" (the format had just recently exploded in popularity) and "when is it coming?", to which he always said that he'd like to do a nice, complete box set of all 6 films and really push the limits of what a DVD set can offer, but that he wanted to have total involvement in it, and with the PT taking up all his time, that meant that it would have to happen until sometime after EPIII--2006 seemed likely.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-07 03:09am

zombie84 wrote:I guess as the artist he's entitled to though. Unfortunate.

In fact a recent news article that appeared on TF.N today stated that in a recent interview he hinted that additional work had been done. I think this is in reference to cleaning up some lightsaber effects that were never completed, even for the special editions.

Word is that the extras will follow the same format as the Indy set--adequet and of the highest quality, but a little lacking in quantity. In any case, this set is really just an "early" release due to fan demand--Lucas has repeatedly stated that he wants to do the DVD set to end all DVD sets but only after Episode III is released, so that he can be completely and intimatly involved and push the boundaries of DVD (fans have dubbed this the "Ultimate Edition", with vague hints of additional scenes that exist mostly as fanboy wishes).

I'll be happy enough with a bare bones SE-version.

The Special features for Indy were decent. I was really hoping, though, for commentary on the films by Lucas/Spielberg.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-01-07 11:35am

JME2 wrote:
zombie84 wrote:I guess as the artist he's entitled to though. Unfortunate.

In fact a recent news article that appeared on TF.N today stated that in a recent interview he hinted that additional work had been done. I think this is in reference to cleaning up some lightsaber effects that were never completed, even for the special editions.

Word is that the extras will follow the same format as the Indy set--adequet and of the highest quality, but a little lacking in quantity. In any case, this set is really just an "early" release due to fan demand--Lucas has repeatedly stated that he wants to do the DVD set to end all DVD sets but only after Episode III is released, so that he can be completely and intimatly involved and push the boundaries of DVD (fans have dubbed this the "Ultimate Edition", with vague hints of additional scenes that exist mostly as fanboy wishes).

I'll be happy enough with a bare bones SE-version.
The Special features for Indy were decent. I was really hoping, though, for commentary on the films by Lucas/Spielberg.

I think Spielberg has a thing about not doing commentaries I read that in some entertainment magazine.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-01-07 11:46am

Did he EVER give a reason for Greedo shooting first? I mean, if that was what he *originally* intended, then WHY the fuck didn't he make it that way in the first place? (Also, Jabba was originally "intended" to be human, so we can assume that what george Lucas considers his "Original intentions" Are subject to change)

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-07 08:31pm

Chardok wrote:Did he EVER give a reason for Greedo shooting first? I mean, if that was what he *originally* intended, then WHY the fuck didn't he make it that way in the first place? (Also, Jabba was originally "intended" to be human, so we can assume that what george Lucas considers his "Original intentions" Are subject to change)

Actually, believe it or not the whole "tahts the way it was intended" does indeed have some truth behind it. Lucas has always bee a bit uncomfortable over a few of the more violent shots in ANH.

In my first-edition copy of his bio Skywalking:The Films of George Lucas, published in 1983, before even ROTJ was released, it says that Lucas was displeased with two officers who are shot on-camera, and naturally, this would extend to Greedo (in fact it may actually specify Greedo as well--i think it says he is upset over hans cold killing or something).

All of this was corrected for the special edition.

Most people dont even notice it, but there are two more deaths, in addition to Greedo that have been censored--two officers, not stormtroopers but unmasked humans, were seen shot on-screen originally. These have been re-edited, so that the few frames of the lazerbolt penetrating them is removed. The first is the comm room controller, where Han and Luke first enter after they disguise themselves ("TK421 why arent you at your post?"). Originally we see han raise his blaster, and then it cuts to the officer drawing his gun and we see the lazer bolt strike him in the chest (sending a small fire of smoke from the hole) and he flies backwards. Now the scene goes to han raising his blaster, the officer drawing his gun, back to han firing and then it cuts to the officer being shot, only this time the few frames where we see him get hit are missing and it instead cut to him reeling backwards from the hit.
The same thing is done with one of the guards in the detention block. The reasoning is that, unlike the masked, inhuman stormtroopers, we see a human face being gunned down on-camera.

Those two instances are fine of course (especially because the on-camera deaths are inconsistant with the rest of the films), but the problem with greedo is that not only does the edit look like complete shit, it chages the character arc.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-07 08:55pm

Stravo wrote:
JME2 wrote:
zombie84 wrote:I guess as the artist he's entitled to though. Unfortunate.

In fact a recent news article that appeared on TF.N today stated that in a recent interview he hinted that additional work had been done. I think this is in reference to cleaning up some lightsaber effects that were never completed, even for the special editions.

Word is that the extras will follow the same format as the Indy set--adequet and of the highest quality, but a little lacking in quantity. In any case, this set is really just an "early" release due to fan demand--Lucas has repeatedly stated that he wants to do the DVD set to end all DVD sets but only after Episode III is released, so that he can be completely and intimatly involved and push the boundaries of DVD (fans have dubbed this the "Ultimate Edition", with vague hints of additional scenes that exist mostly as fanboy wishes).

I'll be happy enough with a bare bones SE-version.
The Special features for Indy were decent. I was really hoping, though, for commentary on the films by Lucas/Spielberg.
I think Spielberg has a thing about not doing commentaries I read that in some entertainment magazine.

Yeah, that also evident in the Jurassic park DVD's.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2004-01-07 10:38pm

AAARRRRRRRRRGGGHHHHH !!!!!!!! DAMNIT!!!!! I'M GOING TO BE ON WESTPAC!!!!!!!!!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-08 04:27pm

Chardok wrote:Did he EVER give a reason for Greedo shooting first? I mean, if that was what he *originally* intended, then WHY the fuck didn't he make it that way in the first place? (Also, Jabba was originally "intended" to be human, so we can assume that what george Lucas considers his "Original intentions" Are subject to change)

"Human Jabba" was only a placeholder for what was always intended to be a Jabba acheived with visual effects, but they didn't have enough time or technology to do it back then, so it was shelved until the SE.

I just hope they at LEAST fix ANH Jabba. Compared the one in TPM, it's mediocre.

Lord Jax · Post by **Lord Jax** » 2004-01-08 05:06pm

Finally

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-01-08 05:18pm

Wait till next year. You rush out this november and buy the OT DVD and your only gonna have to buy the complete OT and PT DVD set after Episode 3 is released.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-01-08 05:20pm

Where does it say they're planning to make a new version with all 6 movies?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-01-08 05:23pm

I consider such a thing inevitable. It'd be a major bullet in the foot not to release all 6 in a boxed set. Patricularily given the amount of money the average Warsie would pay for such a thing.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-01-08 05:30pm

Lord Pounder wrote:I consider such a thing inevitable. It'd be a major bullet in the foot not to release all 6 in a boxed set. Patricularily given the amount of money the average Warsie would pay for such a thing.

They probably will release them in a box set. Though it most likely wouldn't be different than buying them separately.

And if you already have the first two, you might as well just get them separately.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-01-08 05:33pm

Maybe, but i'm the type of person who buys both the LotR DVD then the SE DVD 6 months later. I am Joe Public, I am a dumb shit.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2004-01-11 12:43am

I'm not getting the sympathy I deserve.