TIE Atmospheric Capabilities

[Kuja]

In Starfighters of Adumar, the TIE Interceptor is shown to be so maneuverable in the atmosphere that they are essentially invincible when up against the more primitive fighters that Adumar uses.

Not forgetting that Hobbie's dmaged X-wing, which has lost 2 laser cannons is also surperior to the Blade-32.

Note that their performance in the atmosphere in reasonable conditions appears to be similar in most respects to that of the X-Wing, althought the X-Wing maintains a slight advantage.

Not all battles take place in perfect weather or conditions.

[Master of Ossus]

Note that their performance in the atmosphere in reasonable conditions appears to be similar in most respects to that of the X-Wing, althought the X-Wing maintains a slight advantage.

Not all battles take place in perfect weather or conditions.

Obviously. If all battles took place in perfect conditions, TIE Interceptors wouldn't even be fighting in the atmosphere in the first place.

[HemlockGrey]

Does the Empire have any dedicated atomspheric fighters?

[Raptor 597]

Does the Empire have any dedicated atomspheric fighters?

The AT-AA is effective enough, but too your answer only the Scimitar thought of of dedicated atmospheric flight.

[Kuja]

The I-7 Howlrunner is supposed to be good in atmosphere, although they usually need to work in packs like TIEs.

[Mr Bean]

Does the Empire have any dedicated atomspheric fighters?

Thats what Turbolasers are for

Acutal according to Solo in Stars End, Modern SW matrials are able to *Brute Force thier way through the atmosphere so while designing a ship that runs well in space is nice and dandy, its how much weapons and how fast it can go in Space is the primary concern

OAN if you want to know how strong thier matrials are, What Earth base matrials could we slap next a 1 Kiloton Nuke and have it surive?

The fact that SW Hulls are able to survive in some cases, megatons of DET says quite a bit for thier strength and energy spreading abilites

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Does the Empire have any dedicated atomspheric fighters?

Thats what Turbolasers are for

Acutal according to Solo in Stars End, Modern SW matrials are able to *Brute Force thier way through the atmosphere so while designing a ship that runs well in space is nice and dandy, its how much weapons and how fast it can go in Space is the primary concern

OAN if you want to know how strong thier matrials are, What Earth base matrials could we slap next a 1 Kiloton Nuke and have it surive?

The fact that SW Hulls are able to survive in some cases, megatons of DET says quite a bit for thier strength and energy spreading abilites

That's sort of off-topic, Mr. Bean. Their hulls could be made of the most durable stuff that will ever be known to any civilization, but there's still the dynamics of flight to be dealt with. Not to mention, whereas the hardware could probably survive re-entry, the pilot would still have to be provided for. TIEs don't do that too well, AFAIK.

Secondary note: starfleet shuttles may have help in this from their warp engines' "mass-reduction effect."

[Vympel]

They seemed to fly around on Bespin just fine.

Funny how everyone forgets ESB.

[Kuja]

They seemed to fly around on Bespin just fine.

Funny how everyone forgets ESB.

They weren't dogfighting, were they? No. Just flying stright and staying behind the Falcon.

[Vympel]

They were moving exactly as they moved when chasing the Falcon earlier in the movie, how they moved in ANH, and how they moved in ROTJ. I don't see any huge difference in the manner that they move, that's all.

[Kuja]

They were moving exactly as they moved when chasing the Falcon earlier in the movie, how they moved in ANH, and how they moved in ROTJ. I don't see any huge difference in the manner that they move, that's all.

The only movement they made in atmosphere was a gradual left turn. The next time we saw them executing rapid manuevers, they were beyond the atmosphere and heading towards the Executor.

[Mr Bean]

Not to mention, whereas the hardware could probably survive re-entry, the pilot would still have to be provided for. TIEs don't do that too well, AFAIK.

Hello fokes? Interal Dampeners? Just because your out of an Atmosphere does not mean G's go away, We've see TIE's doing manviors that in RL would turn you into a fine mush if you did not have Compesators for the G's. In EU we have mention of thousand's of G turns in space. The regular TIE may not have one that extends to the entire craft but the shielded and hyperdrive equiped TIE Defenders could most certinaly carry one that extends to the entire craft as its one of the things you need to jump into Hyperspace(Or have your ship ripped into tiny tiny bits, choice is up to you)

[Vympel]

Of course TIEs can enter atmosphere, if that is why re-entry was mentioned-otherwise where did the TIEs attacking the Millenium Falcon in Empire Strikes Back come from? If they took off from Bespin, who dropped them off there, and how?

[Kuja]

I bet the Executor dumped a few into the atmosphere.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Not to mention, whereas the hardware could probably survive re-entry, the pilot would still have to be provided for. TIEs don't do that too well, AFAIK.

Hello fokes? Interal Dampeners? Just because your out of an Atmosphere does not mean G's go away, We've see TIE's doing manviors that in RL would turn you into a fine mush if you did not have Compesators for the G's. In EU we have mention of thousand's of G turns in space. The regular TIE may not have one that extends to the entire craft but the shielded and hyperdrive equiped TIE Defenders could most certinaly carry one that extends to the entire craft as its one of the things you need to jump into Hyperspace(Or have your ship ripped into tiny tiny bits, choice is up to you)

Okay, that's why I added the caveat, "as far as I know". You have to remember, Bean, that I have little to no knowledge of EU references. I like Star Wars -- but that's it. Just Star Wars, on screen and bigger than life. The books (personal opinion disclaimer) can go hang.

[Master of Ossus]

Not to mention, whereas the hardware could probably survive re-entry, the pilot would still have to be provided for. TIEs don't do that too well, AFAIK.

Hello fokes? Interal Dampeners? Just because your out of an Atmosphere does not mean G's go away, We've see TIE's doing manviors that in RL would turn you into a fine mush if you did not have Compesators for the G's. In EU we have mention of thousand's of G turns in space. The regular TIE may not have one that extends to the entire craft but the shielded and hyperdrive equiped TIE Defenders could most certinaly carry one that extends to the entire craft as its one of the things you need to jump into Hyperspace(Or have your ship ripped into tiny tiny bits, choice is up to you)

Okay, that's why I added the caveat, "as far as I know". You have to remember, Bean, that I have little to no knowledge of EU references. I like Star Wars -- but that's it. Just Star Wars, on screen and bigger than life. The books (personal opinion disclaimer) can go hang.

Even if you don't read the EU, you still should have recognized that TIE fighters have inertial dampeners. They are demonstrated as being canon from the films, which Bean correctly pointed out.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Sorry, missed that. And nowhere in the films have I seen a TIE pull anything more than a 1.5 g turn at most...

[Mr Bean]

Sorry, missed that. And nowhere in the films have I seen a TIE pull anything more than a 1.5 g turn at most...

The special Edition ANH shows quite a few during the DS battle

Hoth Astroid Chase...

The Endor part as well when they are flying around the ships...



Gee thats generaly every single time we see TIE fighters isn't it Roaul?

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Sorry, missed that. And nowhere in the films have I seen a TIE pull anything more than a 1.5 g turn at most...

The special Edition ANH shows quite a few during the DS battle

Hoth Astroid Chase...

The Endor part as well when they are flying around the ships...



Gee thats generaly every single time we see TIE fighters isn't it Roaul?

Every time everyone but me has seen them. I've only seen the ANH SE, and I still don't recall seeing a TIE pull anything that an F16 can't.

[Master of Ossus]

Sorry, missed that. And nowhere in the films have I seen a TIE pull anything more than a 1.5 g turn at most...

Here our friend Junior says that TIE's can't pull more than a 1.5g turn at most.

Every time everyone but me has seen them. I've only seen the ANH SE, and I still don't recall seeing a TIE pull anything that an F16 can't.

Yet, there he claims that they can't pull anything an F-16 can't. Of course, an F-16 can easily pull 1.5 g's. Modern fighter-planes can withstand sustained eight or ten g forces, and some aircraft can pull twenty transient ones.

The maneuver that the TIE fighters pull when looping after the Millenium Falcon was at least 20 g's during ESB. During RotJ, a TIE Interceptor pulls at least thirty g's while decelerating and turning in the DSII, dodging an exploding TIE fighter while it is at it.

[HemlockGrey]

I think he meant no more than 1.5 G in atmosphere.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Sorry, missed that. And nowhere in the films have I seen a TIE pull anything more than a 1.5 g turn at most...

Here our friend Junior says that TIE's can't pull more than a 1.5g turn at most.

Every time everyone but me has seen them. I've only seen the ANH SE, and I still don't recall seeing a TIE pull anything that an F16 can't.

Yet, there he claims that they can't pull anything an F-16 can't. Of course, an F-16 can easily pull 1.5 g's. Modern fighter-planes can withstand sustained eight or ten g forces, and some aircraft can pull twenty transient ones.

The maneuver that the TIE fighters pull when looping after the Millenium Falcon was at least 20 g's during ESB. During RotJ, a TIE Interceptor pulls at least thirty g's while decelerating and turning in the DSII, dodging an exploding TIE fighter while it is at it.

You're misstating my position, MoO. I never said they can't pull more than 1.5g... I said I've never seen them do it.

[Master of Ossus]

You're misstating my position, MoO. I never said they can't pull more than 1.5g... I said I've never seen them do it.

But you have, or you should have, assuming that you have seen the SW films, which you profess as to having seen.

[Master of Ossus]

I think he meant no more than 1.5 G in atmosphere.

I think he meant 1.5 g's anywhere. Since we have never once seen a TIE fighter in the atmosphere during the movies, it would strike me as being a completely irrelevent point if he meant in the atmosphere.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

You're misstating my position, MoO. I never said they can't pull more than 1.5g... I said I've never seen them do it.

But you have, or you should have, assuming that you have seen the SW films, which you profess as to having seen.

I've seen the films -- the originals, and more recently EP 1 and II... but I must confess to having missed the particular visuals you mention. I certainly don't have the ability to arbitrarily assign g-force values to the older shots, as it's been some time since I've seen them, and may have missed those particular visuals entirely.

That still doesn't address atmospheric maneuverabiltiy.