Our greatest risk is not terrorism and it's not Iraq or the "Axis of Evil." Our greatest risk is a lack of leadership, a lack of honesty and a complete lack of consciousness. Unfortunately our current government cannot see the big picture. They think too small. They suffer from the "what's in it for me?" syndrome. The simple truth is that the current administration has squandered incredible opportunities to bring the world together, to promote peace in regions that have only known war, to encourage health in places that are ravaged with disease, to make us more secure by living up to our principles at home and abroad. The simple truth is that the policies of our current administration do not reflect what is great about America.
She can say whatever she wants, i don't care about that. What pisses me off is when celebrity opinions are viewed as more important that that of everyone else's simply because they are famous, for whatever reason. The bright side however is that most of the time, celebrities regardless of what side of the political spectrum they are on, end up making an ass out of themselves when they go political.
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.” -Tom Clancy
It's not that the famous person's opinion is worth more...it's that the minute a celeb says something, thousands of fans nod in agreement, thus making it SEEM like a popular and important concept that originated with the celeb.
Note: I'm semi-retired from the board, so if you need something, please be patient.
Our greatest risk is not terrorism and it's not Iraq or the "Axis of Evil." Our greatest risk is a lack of leadership, a lack of honesty and a complete lack of consciousness. Unfortunately our current government cannot see the big picture. They think too small. They suffer from the "what's in it for me?" syndrome. The simple truth is that the current administration has squandered incredible opportunities to bring the world together, to promote peace in regions that have only known war, to encourage health in places that are ravaged with disease, to make us more secure by living up to our principles at home and abroad. The simple truth is that the policies of our current administration do not reflect what is great about America.
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Our greatest risk is not terrorism and it's not Iraq or the "Axis of Evil." Our greatest risk is a lack of leadership, a lack of honesty and a complete lack of consciousness. Unfortunately our current government cannot see the big picture.
Wow, Madonna doesn't like the labor party any more?
Oh wait, she's not British. With the accent and all, I keep forgeting. She means the US goverment. *smacks forehead*
Over all, it is a wonderfully vague comment with NO specifics on either why the current goverment is lacking leadership or dishonest or any other charge she levels. It is also, conveniently, missing on any thing resembling solutions rather just fluff and handwaving.
All and all, just stupid ramblings that are not newsworthy. Perhaps if she made them nude while smooching with Spears, they'd make more sense.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
The problem is that they think ,we care what they think or say...... and most of all that ,"THEY KNOW BETTER THAN THE REST OF US////"
Right. Sure.
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These cookie-cutter criticisms of celebrities could easily be applied to anyone with an opinion.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
Hamel wrote:These cookie-cutter criticisms of celebrities could easily be applied to anyone with an opinion.
Remember, if a Conservative has an opinion, it's because he's a Straight-Talking Champion of the Little Guy(tm), but if a Liberal has an opinion, it's because he's an Evil Tax-Hiking Egghead Who Hates You And Thinks You're Too Stupid to Run Your Own Life(tm).
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frankly, i think it's stupid for celebrities to come out with radical political statements beacuse it almost immediately alienates a percentage of their potential fan base. Not that Madonna said anything of real substance. Juat look at what heppened to the Dixie Chicks and Tom Selleck and Sean Penn etc...etc...etc....
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.” -Tom Clancy
When am _I_ going to get to voice my opinion on world politics and have it aired all over the world? When that happens, then maybe I'll care about what she's saying.
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Hamel wrote:These cookie-cutter criticisms of celebrities could easily be applied to anyone with an opinion.
Remember, if a Conservative has an opinion, it's because he's a Straight-Talking Champion of the Little Guy(tm), but if a Liberal has an opinion, it's because he's an Evil Tax-Hiking Egghead Who Hates You And Thinks You're Too Stupid to Run Your Own Life(tm).
Madonna has her right to an opinion.
I also have my right to my opinion about her.
That opinion is that she's a 2 bit skank who probably has STD's that science doesn't even have names for yet, much less cures.
FWIW, I think celebrities ought to think a little before opening their mouths on issues, regardless of their political leanings.
Madonna comes off as a vapid idiot who is reciting something verbatim that she read somewhere on the Internet.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier
Hamel wrote:These cookie-cutter criticisms of celebrities could easily be applied to anyone with an opinion.
Remember, if a Conservative has an opinion, it's because he's a Straight-Talking Champion of the Little Guy(tm), but if a Liberal has an opinion, it's because he's an Evil Tax-Hiking Egghead Who Hates You And Thinks You're Too Stupid to Run Your Own Life(tm).
Madonna has her right to an opinion.
I also have my right to my opinion about her.
That opinion is that she's a 2 bit skank who probably has STD's that science doesn't even have names for yet, much less cures.
FWIW, I think celebrities ought to think a little before opening their mouths on issues, regardless of their political leanings.
Madonna comes off as a vapid idiot who is reciting something verbatim that she read somewhere on the Internet.
In other words, you're dismissing out of hand an opinion that doesn't agree with yours, apparently for no other reason than the person who's saying it is a liberal. Way to go.
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You mean Madonna's not dead yet? She's got to be at least 80.
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Knife wrote:Over all, it is a wonderfully vague comment with NO specifics on either why the current goverment is lacking leadership or dishonest or any other charge she levels. It is also, conveniently, missing on any thing resembling solutions rather just fluff and handwaving.
It might have been a good decision on Madonna's part to make the statement vague. If she had been more precise in her criticism, she would probably have received a lot of flak. (just look at all hostility which other celebrities have been met with when they voiced their opinions)
"Hi there, would you like to have a cookie?"
"No, actually I would HATE to have a cookie, you vapid waste of inedible flesh!"
I'm studying for the CPA exam. Have a nice summer, and if you're down just sit back and realize that Joe is off somewhere, doing much worse than you are.
Iceberg wrote:
Remember, if a Conservative has an opinion, it's because he's a Straight-Talking Champion of the Little Guy(tm), but if a Liberal has an opinion, it's because he's an Evil Tax-Hiking Egghead Who Hates You And Thinks You're Too Stupid to Run Your Own Life(tm).
Madonna has her right to an opinion.
I also have my right to my opinion about her.
That opinion is that she's a 2 bit skank who probably has STD's that science doesn't even have names for yet, much less cures.
FWIW, I think celebrities ought to think a little before opening their mouths on issues, regardless of their political leanings.
Madonna comes off as a vapid idiot who is reciting something verbatim that she read somewhere on the Internet.
In other words, you're dismissing out of hand an opinion that doesn't agree with yours, apparently for no other reason than the person who's saying it is a liberal. Way to go.
WTF are you talking about?
I'm dismissing her opinion because she's an amoral slimeball who has 'reinvented' herself so many times, she wouldn't know sincerity if it came up and bit her in the ass.
The fact that she's a liberal has nothing to do with it.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier
If Madonna wants to do something about the 'lack of honesty at the White House, endorsing General 'Character Issues' Clark isn't the way to go about it.
Hell, he was basically forced to retire after lying to to Joint Chiefs and to the SecDef. If that's Madonna's idea of leadership, honesty, and consciousness, then she's even more of an airhead idiot than I first thought possible.
Being a liberal has nothing to do with her being an idiot.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier
Where does all this hatred of celebrities having political views come from? If you had microphones shoved in your face routinely, wouldn't you be voicing your political views? Hell, if I ever become famous, I'm taking every chance I get to tell everyone how fucking stupid the Drug War is.
For fuck's sake people, judge a statement on its own merits, not where it comes from.
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I would just like to see some evidence of this claim that celebrities' opinions are taken more seriously than those of regular people.
My personal beef is with celebrities such as news anchors, who really do have unjustified personal credibility in the eyes of many (let's face it; when Dan Rather said things, people took them much more seriously). But that unjustified trust of news anchors does not extend to music celebrities or actors.
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
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"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Knife wrote:Over all, it is a wonderfully vague comment with NO specifics on either why the current goverment is lacking leadership or dishonest or any other charge she levels. It is also, conveniently, missing on any thing resembling solutions rather just fluff and handwaving.
It might have been a good decision on Madonna's part to make the statement vague. If she had been more precise in her criticism, she would probably have received a lot of flak. (just look at all hostility which other celebrities have been met with when they voiced their opinions)
Oh, I'm sure that her statement was run through with a microscope to make sure that there wasn't a shred of clarity on any issue. Thats the point.
Honestly, if she came out with a speach detailing her position, I might not agree with her, but I'd give her points on actualy making a position.
Durandal wrote:Where does all this hatred of celebrities having political views come from? If you had microphones shoved in your face routinely, wouldn't you be voicing your political views? Hell, if I ever become famous, I'm taking every chance I get to tell everyone how fucking stupid the Drug War is.
For fuck's sake people, judge a statement on its own merits, not where it comes from.
Thats my point. If she actually had any merits in her statement, I'd judge it more kindly. But by god, what the hell is in that statement besides the fact that she supports Clark. Most of that is vague handwaving about the evils of the current administration.
But it won't happen. They cleanse it until it says nothing substancial to make sure they can backpeddle like there is no tomarrow. And to clearify now, celeberties of both sides of the political spectrum do it so it is not a liberal or conservitive thing.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
Col. Crackpot wrote:She can say whatever she wants, i don't care about that. What pisses me off is when celebrity opinions are viewed as more important that that of everyone else's simply because they are famous, for whatever reason. The bright side however is that most of the time, celebrities regardless of what side of the political spectrum they are on, end up making an ass out of themselves when they go political.
They're viewed more important because people know them and are given airtime? I understand that perfectly. It doesn't mean a damn about its validity. I also don't understand this arrogance by wankers towards these people who voice their opinions. If they really dislike the point, take it apart. If they make a mistake they are no more culpable than a person who doesn't share the limelight. I suppose some people just wait and hope that those that have more than they do falter so as to claim some sense of superiority in their minds.
Lagmonster wrote:It's not that the famous person's opinion is worth more...it's that the minute a celeb says something, thousands of fans nod in agreement, thus making it SEEM like a popular and important concept that originated with the celeb.
How do you know they nod in agreement?
From looking over at wilwheaton's site for instance. Reading through his comments, shows that there exists a diversity of opinion. Granted it's just one example. But I have a hard time accepting your claim as status quo. Especially without any evidence. It's probably not quite the same when dealing with people like 'rush'. But these artists aren't primarily politically inclined. Their career doesn't necessarily revolve around that.
The problem is that they think ,we care what they think or say...... and most of all that ,"THEY KNOW BETTER THAN THE REST OF US////"
Sounds like have an inferiority complex going there. I personally don't give a damn how another person supposedly feels when stating their opinion. An opinion exists to be shared, and at your discretion picked apart.
If she supports Clark, I wonder if she's read his book. Clark is equally as candid about Bush in pressing that America has interests to protect - and even goes so far as to use the word "empire" to describe this network of commitments and influence. He is likewise commited to exerting influence over these territories, allies, and opponents, though he proposes that he would not be as blatant as Bush in the justification.
This brings me back to VH1's statement on actors who decide to sing.
"Somewhere along the way, when you're a really rich and famous actor, something goes wrong in your head. You figure: people love to see me act. That must mean they want to hear me sing!"
