Home-One

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-01-08 12:07am

Home-One would be best classified as a Strike Carrier. Enough armament to ward off smaller sized ships, even win fair engagements, but also a significant fighter compliment. We've seen that Home-One can take on ISD MK-2s in 1-1 battle thanks to its better armor and shielding and the EU hints that Home-One has a 50-50 chance of defeating two ISDs in capitalship combat (fighters not included of course).

Now if you pit Home-One against two ISDs while using standard fighter compliments and gave the ships enough distance to manuever and have fighters deal with eachother, the Rebels/New Republic would have a slight advantage. With relatively superior fighters, typicaly better trained pilots, and nearly the same number of fighters, they will likely have enough strike craft survive to tip the ballance once Home-One starts engaging the ISDs.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-08 02:03am

N^2 also works in Home One's favor. Well not precisely N^2, but something close to it.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-01-08 02:20am

Ender wrote: So it is your opinion that 120 fighters packing MT level warheads are a more effective weapon then broadsides of GT level HTLs?

Slave-1 packed GT range firepower, I don't see why Rebel fighters couldn't. (Hell, B-wings have more firepower than most corvettes anyhow.)

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-01-08 02:24am

Darth PhysBod wrote:The ILM models for both Home-1 and liberty are the same length (244cm Ref: SW Archives p104). Why make the models the same length if one is supposed to be over twice the length (2.5 times) of the other?
Consider that the ISD Avenger model which the Mon-calmarian ships were filmed up close with in Return of the Jedi, is 259cm long (Ref: SW Archives p57)

Depends. IIRC ILM had multiple models of lots of different vessels that were at different dimensions (EG, the Millenium Falcon.)

In any case, the scaling work done on Home One is fairly accurate, so I tend to think the size estimate is reasonable. (Perhaps there are 1200 meter long vessels that are similar in appearancee to Home One, leading to a misidentification errors, much like with the Executor being misidentified as a 5/8 mile ship)

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-01-08 02:26am

Ender wrote:
Andras wrote:Home-One isn't a battleship, it's a carrier.
No, its a cruiser. For a battleship look to the Viscount class, for a carrier look to the Endurance class

The Rebellion had Corellian battleships (as well as Corellian cruisers and destroyers.) Both the novelization and the script for ROTJ mention them (suggesting at least a dozen battleships.) They would have to be larger than the standard Mon Cal cruisers (IE larger than 1.5 km), but smaller than Home One (which IIRC was the largest ship there.)

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-08 03:26am

Maybe one of those Corellian ships was the ROTJ 'mystery ship' that was recently unveiled in its entirety on sw.com hyperspace- known as the 'BG' ship IIRC. It of course did not make it to my inbox, fortunately.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-08 03:53am

It didn't make it to mine either yet, fortunately. God, it would be absolutely horrible if it made it to howedar(at)hotmail.com.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-01-08 05:05am

Incidentally, that reminds me - there was at least one EU mention of the "Corellian Battleship" as well, in Galaxy Guide 5 (it mentions one of them as part of a group of ships heading to the Rendezvous at Sullust).

Maybe they're older versions of the "Big Corellian ships" Han talked about in ANH?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-01-08 05:44am

phongn wrote:Home One is probably a dedicated carrier and command vessel anyways, abliet one with exceptionally strong shielding. However, I agree with Saxton's supposition that "29" turbolasers is a transposition, that seems like entirely too few for a vessel of such size and prestiege.

Unless they are really huge turbolasers.

Darth PhysBod · Post by **Darth PhysBod** » 2004-01-08 05:49am

Ender wrote:
Sharp-kun wrote:
Howedar wrote:Well it'd be pretty fucking rediculous to have large guns that are inferior to small guns in every way. If they aren't more powerful, they must be more durable, possess higher rates of fire, better range, or some other combat benefit.
Could just be that they're older, less efficient models. Would fit with the rebels making use of what they had.
Doesn't fit unless you think there is a gaping disparity between the ISD 1 and ISD 2 class. Which tthere isn't.

Both are able to do a BDZ in the same amount of time, but the ISD 1 has far fewer HTLs. Thus those HTLs must be more powerful. They are also larger, so it follows the larger the weapon is, the more powerful.

Howedar is right that barrel length influences range (another edge for the Mon Cals) However overall size is also related.

I scaled the cannons on the MkI and MkII a while back:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... &start=100

Essentially the MkI has 12 1400mm cannon, the MkII 64 1200mm cannon, though the latter have longer barrels (by a metre or so) implying longer range.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2004-01-08 03:00pm

Vympel wrote:Maybe one of those Corellian ships was the ROTJ 'mystery ship' that was recently unveiled in its entirety on sw.com hyperspace- known as the 'BG' ship IIRC. It of course did not make it to my inbox, fortunately.

I don't think so. Actually, the BG ship, the interesting ship between H1 and the transports (identified by Saxton as a modified corvette) and the so called Y-head corvette appear to be the same ship/class. (So, that ship/class is small.)

Sadly, not in its entirety. I would like to see the back of the ship. Especially because it appears that the (white) engine glows had been relocated from the back to the side between the original and the SE (or vica versa, I cannot remember).

Again thanks to Robert Trader for not allowing the arrival of such material to my inbox.

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2004-01-08 03:40pm

Conner wrote:

Incidentally, that reminds me - there was at least one EU mention of the "Corellian Battleship" as well, in Galaxy Guide 5 (it mentions one of them as part of a group of ships heading to the Rendezvous at Sullust).

Maybe they're older versions of the "Big Corellian ships" Han talked about in ANH?

Or it could be one of the old 2 km long corellian "cruisers" that are described as mobile protosteel mountains in the Han Solo Triology. I'd imagine that they would have pretty archaic hyperdrives; possibly the vessels slowness prevented it from arriving in time for the battle.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-01-08 03:54pm

Spartan wrote:Conner wrote:

Incidentally, that reminds me - there was at least one EU mention of the "Corellian Battleship" as well, in Galaxy Guide 5 (it mentions one of them as part of a group of ships heading to the Rendezvous at Sullust).

Maybe they're older versions of the "Big Corellian ships" Han talked about in ANH?
Or it could be one of the old 2 km long corellian "cruisers" that are described as mobile protosteel mountains in the Han Solo Triology. I'd imagine that they would have pretty archaic hyperdrives; possibly the vessels slowness prevented it from arriving in time for the battle.

Those are Invincible-class Heavy Cruisers, ,and as I recall they are not Corellian made.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-01-08 04:29pm

Ender wrote:Doesn't fit unless you think there is a gaping disparity between the ISD 1 and ISD 2 class. Which tthere isn't.

That depends on your definition of "gaping disparity". An ISD-2 DOES outgun a an ISD-1, but mainly because of its larger number of guns, but it has to sacrifice ion cannons to achieve this (it may posssibly have weaker anti-fighter defenses as well.) This is true in both the canon AND EU versions.

Both are able to do a BDZ in the same amount of time, but the ISD 1 has far fewer HTLs. Thus those HTLs must be more powerful. They are also larger, so it follows the larger the weapon is, the more powerful.

Not neccesarily. A Planetary Turbolaser is far more massive than an ISD-1 turret, yet it cannot penetrate ISD shields in a single shot (which the primary turrets can, canonically.) There can be other factors at work for the size of a turret rather than just raw power (in fact, the majority of the components for the weapons - both power cell and cooling systems, appear to be mounted inside the hull, rather than in the turret.) The lack of armor on ISD-2 turrets may be a trade-off of protection for increased fire arcs and more rapid-response time (and the protection is probably made up for by the smaller overall profile.)

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-08 05:01pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
YT300000 wrote:Yes, I was refering to the models used in the opening scene.
How does that work for the image of the Tantive docking inside the ISD?

It's called compositing. Just make sure the cameras, angles, and lighting matches during the photography stage and it works when the elements are assembled and printed together.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-08 06:40pm

Howedar wrote:It didn't make it to mine either yet, fortunately. God, it would be absolutely horrible if it made it to howedar(at)hotmail.com.

Don't wanna get it to IlluminatusPrimus(at)hotmail.com

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2004-01-08 06:53pm

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