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interesting trash, and Im glad hes making it a public issue, but Im still not voting for him. :D I dont think hes going to go through with it, and dont think it should be nasa doing it.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... 4&ncid=716

Bush to Announce Missions to Mars, Moon
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By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) will announce plans next week to send Americans to Mars and establish a permanent human presence on the moon, senior administration officials said Thursday night.


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Bush won't propose sending Americans to Mars anytime soon; rather, he envisions preparing for the mission more than a decade from now, one official said.


In addition to proposing the first trip to the moon since December 1972, the president wants to build a permanent space station there.


Three senior officials said Bush wants to aggressively reinvigorate the space program, which has been demoralized by a series of setbacks, including the space shuttle disaster last February that killed seven astronauts.


The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Bush's announcement would come in the middle of next week.


Bush has been expected to propose a bold new space mission in an effort to rally Americans around a unifying theme as he campaigns for re-election.


Many insiders had speculated he might set forth goals at the 100th anniversary of the Wright brothers' famed flight last month in North Carolina. Instead, he said only that America would continue to lead the world in aviation.


Earlier, White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters traveling with Bush in Florida that the president would make an announcement about space next week, but he declined to give details.


It was the Columbia tragedy that helped force a discussion of where NASA (news - web sites) should venture beyond the space shuttle and international space station. The panel that investigated the Columbia accident called for a clearly defined long-term mission — a national vision for space that has gone missing for three decades.


House Science Committee spokeswoman Heidi Tringe said lawmakers on the panel "haven't been briefed on the specifics" of the plan but expected an announcement.


Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas, a member of the House Science Committee, said he welcomed the move because he has tried to get the president more interested in space exploration.


"I had the feeling the last 2 1/2 years people would rather make a trip to the grocery store than a trip to the moon because of the economy," Hall said. "As things are turning around, we need to stay in touch with space" and the science spinoffs it provides.


Engineers would have to build new spacecraft for the trips to and from the moon and Mars. If the Apollo-style mission design was adopted, there would also be the need for landing craft that would undock from the mother ship and touch down to the moon or Mars.


Mission plans, crew size and other factors would have to be considered in the design of such craft.


No firm cost estimates have been developed, but informal discussions have put the cost of a Mars expedition at nearly a trillion dollars, depending on how ambitious the project was. The cost of a moon colony would depend on what NASA wants to do on the lunar surface.


On Saturday, NASA landed a six-wheeled robot on Mars to study the planet. However, the Spirit rover is stuck because the air bags that cushioned its landing are obstructing its movement. A second rover named Opportunity was sent in its wake and should land on Jan. 24.


Asked Wednesday whether the success of the Mars rovers could lead to a human mission to Mars, NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe said, "The rovers are a precursor mission — kind of an advance team — to figuring out what the conditions are on the planet, and once we figure out how to deal with the human effects, we can then send humans to explore in real time."





While answering questions on the White House Web site, O'Keefe said interplanetary exploration depends on "what we learn and whether we can develop the power and ... propulsion capabilities necessary to get there faster and stay longer and potentially support humans in doing so."

In 1989 on the 20th anniversary of the first manned moon landing, his father, the first President Bush, called for lunar colonies and a Mars expedition: "I'm not proposing a 10-year plan like Apollo; I'm proposing a long-range, continuing commitment. ... For the new century: Back to the moon; back to the future. And this time, back to stay. And then a journey into tomorrow, a journey to another planet: a manned mission to Mars."

The prohibitively expensive plan went nowhere.

No one, least of all members of Congress, knows how NASA would pay for lunar camps or Mars expeditions. When the first President Bush proposed such a project, the estimated price tag was $400 billion to $500 billion.

The moon is just three days away while Mars is at least six months away, and the lunar surface therefore could be a safe place to shake out Martian equipment. Observatories also could be built on the moon, and mining camps could be set up to gather helium-3 for conversion into fuel for use back on Earth.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, among others, has called for an expansion of the U.S. space program, including a return to the moon. The United States put 12 men on the moon between July 1969 and December 1972.

An interagency task force led by Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) has been considering options for a space mission since summer.

Former Ohio Sen. John Glenn, the first American to orbit the Earth, has said that before deciding to race off to the moon or Mars, the nation needs to complete the international space station and provide the taxi service to accommodate a full crew of six or seven. The station currently houses two.

At the same time, Glenn has said, NASA could be laying out a long-term plan, setting a loose timetable and investing in the engineering challenges of sending people to Mars. The only sensible reason for going to the moon first, he says, would be to test the technology for a Mars trip.
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Back in the 50s and 60s, forseeing their own high demand for competent engineers and physicists, the government pumped huge amounts of money into science education. Something similar would be very wise, if this is to be announced. If it IS announced, then the next few years will definitely be interesting. I'm going to love the fanfair when we get back to the Moon. Man.. a permanent base.. For once, Mr. Bush is doing something I support. *sigh* Damn shame he's a bastard otherwise.

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confirmation of the story on Space.com:

http://space.com/missionlaunches/bush_mars_040108.html

Bush to Announce Missions to Mars, Moon
By Scott Lindlaw
Associated Press
posted: 09:45 pm ET
08 January 2004

PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. (AP) -- President Bush will announce plans
next week to send Americans to Mars and establish a permanent human
presence on the moon, senior administration officials said Thursday night.

Bush won't propose sending Americans to Mars anytime soon; rather, he
envisions preparing for the mission more than a decade from now, one
official said.

In addition to a returning trip to the moon for the first time since December
1972, the president also wants to build a permanent space station there

Three senior officials said Bush wants to aggressively reinvigorate the
space program, which has been demoralized by a series of setbacks,
including the space shuttle disaster last February that killed seven
astronauts.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Bush's
announcement would come in the middle of next week.

Bush has been expected to propose a bold new space mission in an effort to
rally Americans around a unifying theme as he campaigns for re-election.

Many insiders had speculated he might set forth goals at the 100th
anniversary of the Wright brothers' famed flight last month in North
Carolina. Instead, he said only that America would continue to lead the
world in aviation.

Earlier, White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters traveling
with Bush in Florida that the president would make an announcement about
space next week, but he declined to give details.

House Science Committee spokeswoman Heidi Tringe said lawmakers on
the panel ``haven't been briefed on the specifics'' but expected an
announcement.

Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas, a member of the House Science Committee, said
he welcomed the move because he has tried to get the president more
interested in space exploration.

"I had the feeling the last 2 1/2 years people would rather make a trip to
the grocery store grocery store than a trip to the moon because of the
economy,'' Hall said. "As things are turning around, we need to stay in
touch with space'' and the science spinoffs it provides.

This week, NASA landed a six-wheeled robot on Mars to study the planet.
However, the Spirit rover is stuck because the air bags that cushioned its
landing are obstructing its movement.

Asked Wednesday whether the success of the Mars rovers could lead to a
human mission to Mars, NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe said, ``The
rovers are a precursor mission _ kind of an advance team _ to figuring out
what the conditions are on the planet, and once we figure out how to deal
with the human effects, we can then send humans to explore in real time."

While answering questions on the White House Web site, O'Keefe said
interplanetary exploration depends on ``what we learn and whether we can
develop the power and ... propulsion capabilities necessary to get there
faster and stay longer and potentially support humans in doing so.''

No one, least of all members of Congress, knows how NASA would pay for
lunar camps or Mars expeditions. The last time a president pushed such
ambitious ideas _ the first President Bush on the 20th anniversary of the
first manned moon landing _ the estimated price tag was $400 billion to
$500 billion.

The moon is just three days away while Mars is at least six months away,
and the lunar surface therefore could be a safe place to shake out Martian
equipment. Observatories also could be built on the moon, and mining
camps could be set up to gather helium-3 for conversion into fuel for use
back on Earth.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, among others, has called for
an expansion of the U.S. space program, including a return to the moon.
The United States put 12 men on the moon between 1969 through 1972.

An interagency task force led by Vice President Dick Cheney has been
considering options for a space mission since summer.

Former Ohio Sen. John Glenn, the first American to orbit the Earth, has said
that before deciding to race off to the moon or Mars, the nation needs to
complete the international space station and provide the taxi service to
accommodate a full crew of six or seven. The station currently houses two.

At the same time, Glenn has said, NASA could be laying out a long-term
plan, setting a loose timetable and investing in the engineering challenges
of sending people to Mars. The only sensible reason for going to the moon
first, he says, would be to test the technology for a Mars trip.
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so yeah, same article. lol

well, this ones from palm beach. ;D
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Bah. Mars Direct could at least get us to Mars a lot cheaper than that shit planned under George I.
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As Jon Stewart put it, this is Bush's official annoucement that he's finally given up on the Earth :D


This should be interesting if things actually are put into motion.
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Howedar wrote:As Jon Stewart put it, this is Bush's official annoucement that he's finally given up on the Earth :D


This should be interesting if things actually are put into motion.
I've said repetatively we should go back to the Moon before we go to Mars.

And I want to visit at least one of the old Apollo sites so I can run around and embaress Hoax Theorist Morons.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Bah. Mars Direct could at least get us to Mars a lot cheaper than that shit planned under George I.
SHIT! I need to check the Mars Society site ::hurries::

they have nothing. i dont think theyve had time to update their page.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:
And I want to visit at least one of the old Apollo sites so I can run around and embaress Hoax Theorist Morons.
They'll just insist that these latest lunar missions are faked, also. :: sigh :: You could probably take a flat-earther into orbit and fly them around a few times and they STILL wouldn't believe it.

This is all assuming that this announcement is more than just talk. "Yes, let's build a lunar colony!" (Cuts all funding for anything even remotely related to space exploration.) Still, it's ABOUT DAMN TIME!

I'm hoping something happens soon (and by soon I mean "within the next two years or at least by the time I get my degree"). But I'm staying pessimistic on general principles.
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Bah, they've been speculating that Bush will say something to the effect for a while now. I'll believe it when it comes out of his mouth.
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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:Bah, they've been speculating that Bush will say something to the effect for a while now. I'll believe it when it comes out of his mouth.
Addendum: I'd have a lot more faith in anything he says if this wasn't an election year. I mean, first, he has to be reelected, otherwise he'd just be blowing smoke up our asses. Secondly, if he is reelected, he'll actually have to champion the cause of space in Congress.
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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote: Addendum: I'd have a lot more faith in anything he says if this wasn't an election year. I mean, first, he has to be reelected, otherwise he'd just be blowing smoke up our asses. Secondly, if he is reelected, he'll actually have to champion the cause of space in Congress.
Yeah, I'm worried about that too. On the surface it sounds great and it's a program that I could easily see continued whether Bush gets reelected or not. Still, I'm concerned that this is all just a bunch of smoke and mirrors that is designed to appeal to moderates.
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Mayabird wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
And I want to visit at least one of the old Apollo sites so I can run around and embaress Hoax Theorist Morons.
They'll just insist that these latest lunar missions are faked, also. :: sigh :: You could probably take a flat-earther into orbit and fly them around a few times and they STILL wouldn't believe it.

This is all assuming that this announcement is more than just talk. "Yes, let's build a lunar colony!" (Cuts all funding for anything even remotely related to space exploration.) Still, it's ABOUT DAMN TIME!

I'm hoping something happens soon (and by soon I mean "within the next two years or at least by the time I get my degree"). But I'm staying pessimistic on general principles.
Bah, Mars Direct can get you to the Moon just as well as Mars, and gives you cheaper costs and operational experience with the mission system.
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Im betting its something he'll wax poetic on, but will have to cancel due to the next war in the middle east.
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Well, if he does go through with this, it'll be cool.
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Mwahaha! The Martian Defence Grid won't stand a chance when we launch our invasion force from our base on the moon!
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Enforcer Talen wrote:Im betting its something he'll wax poetic on, but will have to cancel due to the next war in the middle east.
Bah, coughing up an additional 100 billion dollars is nothing, well nothing compared in deficeits anyway. :wink: If the US really wanted to fund such a mission, it really could with out blinking too much about the costs.
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Like GMT, I'll believe it when I hear it from Bush's own mouth. There was at least one of these before, and it turned out to be bunk.
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Bush is unlikely to make a speech like JFK's famous speech. He is currently busy with other priorities like reelection, war on terror, the economy etc. If does get reelected maybe then he will think about it.
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[redneck] I hear tell ol' dubya's gonna send some o' awr boys on a fleyebeye mishun furst. they also gots some purdy pic-churs of a moon base and mars base at www.space.com . That thar's a good goddamned webseyet.[/redneck]


Also, some analysts state that the total costs for a manned mission to mars will be something on the order of a Trillion dollars, according to dawn gonyea of NPR news, of course, this is pure speculation since no serious studies have been done on it. I personally don't think it will ever happen unless the world unites under one flag, and we all live in a utopian "Trekkie" state where we "Abandon such primitive concepts as money, and work together for the good of mankind" or some such equally likely society. (Note equally likely. Chances=0.000000000000000001431%)
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I wonder if all those old "own an acre of Mars" papers will be honored still once we get there? :P
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They sold Martian real estate ? I thought only the Moon was sold.

Serioulsy I have better idea. Why not ask NASA to name places on Mars after you ? Maybe if centuries into the future Mars is terraformed and colonized famous places on Mars would bear your name. This is the best way to immortalize oneself.
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evilcat4000 wrote:They sold Martian real estate ? I thought only the Moon was sold.

Serioulsy I have better idea. Why not ask NASA to name places on Mars after you ? Maybe if centuries into the future Mars is terraformed and colonized famous places on Mars would bear your name. This is the best way to immortalize oneself.
Too late, the Martian surface has already been mapped, and if you look over the charts, all the geographical landmarks already have names.
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evilcat4000 wrote:They sold Martian real estate ? I thought only the Moon was sold.

Serioulsy I have better idea. Why not ask NASA to name places on Mars after you ? Maybe if centuries into the future Mars is terraformed and colonized famous places on Mars would bear your name. This is the best way to immortalize oneself.
Too late, the Martian surface has already been mapped, and if you look over the charts, all the geographical landmarks already have names.
Yes but there is lots minor things that can be named. Tiny hills, small potmarked crateres, boulders etc.
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